Port for sale by retailer

[jdaw1]

We have a HUGE, ECLECTIC new cellar today. A collector is lending us his wine, so he can make some room for more on the way. We only have the list until Friday, so be the first to bank on some amazing wines. There are some real steals....believe us!

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Osborne Late Bottled 1985 ~ 1 @ $38
Warre Reserve Tawny Port 1937 ~ 10 @ $350

Not obviously ‟real steals” in port, alas.

[SushiNorth]

OK, so i was waiting until mine went out the door for this. Here yah go:
knightsbridgewine
Do a search for Port, they're having a sale. In particular, look for the Fonseca 2000 (which was on sale for 65 when i called, i think its still $90 on the site), the QdVesuvio's (2000 and 1996, at $50 and $40 respectively), and especially the 2000 Smith Woodhouse, a WS95 that they are selling for $35.

A word of caution: They have a painful billing process -- they bill upon receipt of an order, not fulfillment, but they track inventory at the time of fulfillment. That's resulted in a lot of "We got it, we billed you, oops we don't got it, we're refunding you -- want to pick something else?" The prices are good, and they're very nice on the phone (which is how i'd recommend placing the order as they seem to have better sale prices that way). Also, be sure you're getting full bottles and not halves, there seems to be confusion on the website (but not over the phone).

Edit: Port arrived just fine, but no signature required, a major no-no. What if I wasn't here? What if a minor answered the door?

[Glenn E.]

We have a HUGE, ECLECTIC new cellar today. A collector is lending us his wine, so he can make some room for more on the way. We only have the list until Friday, so be the first to bank on some amazing wines. There are some real steals....believe us!

!

Osborne Late Bottled 1985 ~ 1 @ $38
Warre Reserve Tawny Port 1937 ~ 10 @ $350

Not obviously ‟real steals” in port, alas.

Amusing, considering that they've been trying to sell that 1937 Warre's Reserve Tawny Port for at least 3 months. They had finally started lowering the price a bit - it started at $350, then lowered to $330, $320, and $310 - but now it seems that they've raised it again. All without selling a single bottle. Genius. I'm sure no one has been paying any attention at all and will buy it now that they've raised the price back up again.

I offered them $1000 for 4 bottles inclusive of buyer's premium, but they declined. They own these particular bottles, so to me asking to add on a buyer's premium is insulting.

[g-man]

We have a HUGE, ECLECTIC new cellar today. A collector is lending us his wine, so he can make some room for more on the way. We only have the list until Friday, so be the first to bank on some amazing wines. There are some real steals....believe us!

!

Osborne Late Bottled 1985 ~ 1 @ $38
Warre Reserve Tawny Port 1937 ~ 10 @ $350

Not obviously ‟real steals” in port, alas.

Amusing, considering that they've been trying to sell that 1937 Warre's Reserve Tawny Port for at least 3 months. They had finally started lowering the price a bit - it started at $350, then lowered to $330, $320, and $310 - but now it seems that they've raised it again. All without selling a single bottle. Genius. I'm sure no one has been paying any attention at all and will buy it now that they've raised the price back up again.

I offered them $1000 for 4 bottles inclusive of buyer's premium, but they declined. They own these particular bottles, so to me asking to add on a buyer's premium is insulting.

shall i offer 600$ for 6 bottles inclusive? we get the ball rolling

[jdaw1]

Dow Port 1997 375ml ~ 1 @ $47 WS95
Graham`s Port 1997 375ml ~ 1 @ $33 WA93
Tuke Holdsworth Port 1992 ~ 1 @ $34 bin stain label

DRT’s attention is drawn to the last of these.

It has just arrived, and is clearly labelled ‟Late Bottled Vintage”. Bottled by ‟Hunt, Constantino - Vinhos, Lda”. And the Warre 1986 is actually Cavadinha general mess-ups by a usually competent firm.

[SushiNorth]

Dow Port 1997 375ml ~ 1 @ $47 WS95
Graham`s Port 1997 375ml ~ 1 @ $33 WA93
Tuke Holdsworth Port 1992 ~ 1 @ $34 bin stain label

DRT’s attention is drawn to the last of these.

It has just arrived, and is clearly labelled ‟Late Bottled Vintage”. Bottled by ‟Hunt, Constantino - Vinhos, Lda”. And the Warre 1986 is actually Cavadinha general mess-ups by a usually competent firm.

Someone isn't paying attention over there. I've seen some foulups in a number of typically competent places, recently. They don't have a system for differentiating ports.

[DRT]

Dow Port 1997 375ml ~ 1 @ $47 WS95
Graham`s Port 1997 375ml ~ 1 @ $33 WA93
Tuke Holdsworth Port 1992 ~ 1 @ $34 bin stain label

DRT’s attention is drawn to the last of these.

It has just arrived, and is clearly labelled ‟Late Bottled Vintage”. Bottled by ‟Hunt, Constantino - Vinhos, Lda”. And the Warre 1986 is actually Cavadinha general mess-ups by a usually competent firm.

Someone isn't paying attention over there. I've seen some foulups in a number of typically competent places, recently. They don't have a system for differentiating ports.

TH92 removed from my list.

[RonnieRoots]

And the Warre 1986 is actually Cavadinha

Sorry, I could have told you that but didn't notice until now. I hope you didn't pay too much, because it is a rather unspectacular (if decent) glass of port.

[Andy Velebil]

And the Warre 1986 is actually Cavadinha

Sorry, I could have told you that but didn't notice until now. I hope you didn't pay too much, because it is a rather unspectacular (if decent) glass of port.

Ditto....the 87 is much better.

[jdaw1]

Wasn’t expensive and I wanted to try it. Based on your comments, perhaps only once.

[jdaw1]

Richard Kihl Ltd:

• £540, DP, 1917 Taylor;
• £320, DP, 1920 Taylor;
• £275, DP, 1924 Offley;
• £300, DP, 1934 Sandeman;
• £360, DP, 1935 Sandeman;
• £660, DP, 1945 Graham;
• £195, DP, 1947 Cockburn;
• £150, DP, 1950 Smith Woodhouse;
• £140, DP, 1955 Croft;
• £195, DP, 1955 Dow;
• £260, DP, 1955 Fonseca;
• £120, DP, 1955 Warre;
• £65, DP, 1960 Quinta do Noval;
• £71, DP, 1960 Taylor;
• £66, DP, 1963 Cockburn;
• £60, DP, 1963 Croft;
• £58, DP, 1963 Croft;
• £92, DP, 1963 Dow;
• £150, DP, 1963 Fonseca;
• £183, DP, 1963 Fonseca;
• £79, DP, 1963 Sandeman;
• £154, DP, 1963 Taylor;
• £135, DP, 1963 Taylor;
• £80, DP, 1963 Warre;
• £90, DP, 1963 Warre;
• £85, DP, 1963 Warre;
• £96, DP, 1966 Fonseca;
• £83, DP, 1966 Graham;
• £75, DP, 1966 Taylor;
• £50, DP, 1967 Cockburn;
• £63, DP, 1970 Dow;
• £75, DP, 1970 Graham;
• £41, DP, 1970 Sandeman;
• £42, DP, 1970 Warre;
• £38, DP, 1972 Sandeman;
• £25, DP, 1975 Dow;
• £41, DP, 1975 Taylor;
• £28, DP, 1975 Warre;
• £47, DP, 1977 Dow;
• £47, DP, 1977 Graham;
• £65, DP, 1977 Taylor;
• £40, DP, 1977 Warre;
• £38, DP, 1977 Warre;
• £40, DP, 1980 Fonseca;
• £38, DP, 1983 Fonseca;
• £33, DP, 1983 Warre;
• £33, DP, 1985 Dow;
• £25, DP, 1985 Smith Woodhouse;
• £32, DP, 1985 Warre;
• £35, IB, 1994 Dow;
• £30, DP, 1994 Sandeman;
• £75, IB, 1994 Taylor;
• £25, DP, 1997 Delaforce;
• £33, IB, 1997 Fonseca;
• £20, IB, 1997 Quinta do Noval;
• £41, DP, 1997 Taylor;
• £29, IB, 2000 Cockburn;
• £41, IB, 2000 Fonseca;
• £40, IB, 2000 Graham;
• £27, IB, 2000 Warre;
• £20, IB, 2001 Cockburn;
• £30, IB, 2003 Cockburn.

[jdaw1]

As you are aware, we purchase private collections. We have found that some people store their wines in professional wine storage lockers, while others have custom built wine cellars in their home. We only purchase private collections that have been kept in temperature controlled storage, but some of these bottles have been laying down in someone's cool, dark, humid cellar on wooden racks for several years. The bottles get dirty, stained, and begin to show their age.

Those bottles are slower to sell than the pristine bottles that were kept in their original wood, but they are still good.... and we should know! When we purchase a collection, we taste the ugliest bottles first to test how sound the collection is. These bottles are all priced with their condition in mind, but we are offering a huge discount beyond that! Give us a call, shoot us an email, we'd love to hear from you!
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Take 30% off these selections!
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Cockburn Port 1947 ~ 1 @ $370 hand written label, vintage on cap., sos
Messias Quinta do Cachao Port 1975 ~ 3 @ $55 past signs of seepage

C47 at $259 ≈ £184 ≈ €205 doesn’t sound too terrible.

Paying more than zero for a 1975 would be less good, of course.

[SushiNorth]

Take 30% off these selections!
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Cockburn Port 1947 ~ 1 @ $370 hand written label, vintage on cap., sos
Messias Quinta do Cachao Port 1975 ~ 3 @ $55 past signs of seepage

C47 at $259 ≈ £184 ≈ €205 doesn’t sound too terrible.

Paying more than zero for a 1975 would be less good, of course.

I just texted g-man about that Messias actually, who informed me everything from 1975 was Hot and Thin (good in a woman, bad in a port). I happened to simultaneously be on the phone with Benchmark who informed me that two of those are bottom neck and one is into the neck. At $40 each, is it still too terrible to try?

[DRT]

At $40 each, is it still too terrible to try?

Use them for practising with your new port garote

If the bottle cracks and the port drains away down the sink it will be a blessing

[jdaw1]

Fair price for a 1975 is indistinguishable from zero.

[jdaw1]

Beacon Wines, +1 212 877 0028, 2120 Broadway at 74th Street, New York 10023.

$100 Noval 2003
$1000 Nacional 2003
$495 Nacional 1975
$447 Nacional 1964
$300 Graham 1966
$280 Noval 1963
$225 Dow 1960
$200 Warre 1970 (maybe should add to the 18th April tasting?)
$80 Ramos-Pinto 2003

All prices exclude NY tax.

[JacobH]

Nickolls & Perks has some reasonable offers on Port at the moment (though annoyingly in a format which precludes transplanting here). A representative sample includes:

Churchill 2000 LBV (unfiltered) £8.07
Skeffington 2003 £90.00 (half case)
Croft Roeda 1997 £13.58

The more expensive Ports are more deeply discounted, their starting price was quite high. They now have, e.g.
Cockburns 1960 £48.00
Dow 1960 £54.00

Undiscounted, but perhaps tempting:

Graham’s (MS) Whitwhams Bottling 1927 £50.00

[RonnieRoots]

That's odd, if I look at their website, Cockburn 1960 goes for £55 instead of the £48 you mention. On the Dow 1960 it says £59,57. Were these offers in a seperate e-mail, or am I just missing something on their site?

[SushiNorth]

A recent tip from someone here led me to the Chicago Wine Company. Gould Campbell 80 for $35. We've no tasting notes, anyone tried it? Worth it? If so I'll pick up a bunch.

[jdaw1]

Undiscounted, but perhaps tempting:

Graham’s (MS) Whitwhams Bottling 1927 £50.00

I asked about fill level and

sorry this is not available anymore, we couldnt resist and had to taste it...

[jdaw1]

‟Will Gardener” is now Willjgardener.

[g-man]

all this talk about jj buckley
I spy something odd

http://www.jjbuckley.com/1977-Guedes-Po ... 7~8453~750

[JacobH]

That's odd, if I look at their website, Cockburn 1960 goes for £55 instead of the £48 you mention. On the Dow 1960 it says £59,57. Were these offers in a seperate e-mail, or am I just missing something on their site?

I think the offers were a ‟February Sale” (which also ran into March) and is now, alas, ended.

[JacobH]

all this talk about jj buckley
I spy something odd

http://www.jjbuckley.com/1977-Guedes-Po ... 7~8453~750

The Roots apparently tried a bottle of their ’67 LBV!though it’s not something I’ve heard of before!

[RonnieRoots]

all this talk about jj buckley
I spy something odd

http://www.jjbuckley.com/1977-Guedes-Po ... 7~8453~750

The Roots apparently tried a bottle of their ’67 LBV!though it’s not something I’ve heard of before!

That's right, but it is important to know that Guedes was an independent company until the beginning of the 70's. It was then bought by Real Companhia Velha, who continued to use the brand for a while. The chance is real, therefore that a 1977 Vintage Port of this brand is exactly the same as a Royal Oporto 1977 Vintage Port. And that, IIRC, is pretty dire.

[jdaw1]

http://www.jjbuckley.com/1977-Guedes-Po ... 7~8453~750

The name is in the official list of house names (abbreviation Gd), but I don’t think we have any declarations. Useful. If you buy the bottle please post a good photograph of the label(s).

[jdaw1]

Port:
1 × 19th Century believed Taylors £450
9 × 1912 Cockburns £220
1 × 1955 Fonseca £220
1 × 1955 Croft £180
6 × 1967 Cockburns £50

Madeira:
1 × 1860 Moscatel £350
1 × 1863 Malmsey Solera Blandy's £250
1 × 1915 Bual Colheita LMR £150
2 × 1920 Bual £320
4 × 1934 Bual £200
1 × 1940 Madeira 'S' £120
3 × 1940 Sercial £160
1 × 1954 Malmsey £150
3 × 1960 Bual £100
2 × 1969 bar steward £270
3 × 1972 Verdelho £100

PM me before ordering.

[jdaw1]

All in stock and immediately available

1963 2 cs and 10 botts Fonseca £1680 dp/cs
1970 4 cs Fonseca £1040 dp/cs
1985 2 cs Fonseca £550 ub/cs
1997 13 cs Fonseca £340 ub/cs

1966 3 cs Graham £990 dp/cs
1970 9 cs Graham £850 dp/cs
1977 8 botts only Graham £650 dp/doz
1983 2 cs Graham £375 ub/cs
1985 5 cs Graham £500 dp/cs
1994 1 cs Graham £370 ub/cs
2000 6 cs Graham £375 ub/cs

1966 4 cs Taylor £950 dp/cs
1970 1 cs and 1 bott Taylor £880 ub/cs
1977 3 cs and 11 botts Taylor £775 dp/cs
1985 25 cs Taylor £480 ub/cs

1963 2 cs Warre £940 dp/cs
1977 26 cs Warre 520 dp/cs
1985 6 cs Warre £380 dp/cs
1985 12 HALVES Warre £420 dp/cs
1991 10 cs Warre £240 ub/cs
2000 5 cs HALVES Warre £270 ub/cs

1966 1 cs Dow £950 dp/cs
1970 7 cs and 7 botts Dow £695 dp/cs
1977 9 botts Dow £575 ub/doz

1963 12 cs Cockburn £660 dp/cs
1967 11 botts Cockburn £480 dp/doz
1983 1 cs Cockburn £395 dp/cs

1963 52 cs Croft £660 dp/cs
1963 4 MAGS Croft £660 dp/cs 6 mags

1985 27 cs Offley Boa Vista £220 ub/cs .......was £245 ub

1985 9 botts Quinta do Noval £280 ub/doz

1977 1 cs Sandeman £440 dp/cs
1985 3 cs Sandeman £285 ub/cs

[jdaw1]

Kopke 30 Year Old Tawny Port NV 12 btl @ $100
Kopke Colheita Port 1977 5 btl @ $131
Kopke Dry White Port NV 11 btl @ $53
Kopke Tawny Colheita 1957 2 btl @ $363
Taylor Port 1963 WS97 1 btl @ $374
Taylor Port 1977 WS98 4 btl @ $190
Warres Port 1963 WS92 4 btl @ $311
Warres Port 1985 WS91, MB****/* 3 btl @ $76

[Glenn E.]

You missed the two Graham's in the same email:

Graham`s Port 1963 WA96, WS97 1 btl @ $302
Graham`s Port 1966 WS93 4 btl @ $227

[jdaw1]

Thank you for checking.

[RonnieRoots]

all this talk about jj buckley
I spy something odd

http://www.jjbuckley.com/1977-Guedes-Po ... 7~8453~750

Browsing through old notes on the WS forums, I came across this tasting note by StevieCage:

Well, I believe nobody like this Port: Loads of VA on the nose. Way too acidic flavours. NR.
I did not bother to take further notes, as I was 99% sure it was an infected 1985 Port. What a surprise: Guedes 1977 Vintage Port. Yuck!

[SushiNorth]

all this talk about jj buckley
I spy something odd

http://www.jjbuckley.com/1977-Guedes-Po ... 7~8453~750

Browsing through old notes on the WS forums, I came across this tasting note by StevieCage:

Well, I believe nobody like this Port: Loads of VA on the nose. Way too acidic flavours. NR.
I did not bother to take further notes, as I was 99% sure it was an infected 1985 Port. What a surprise: Guedes 1977 Vintage Port. Yuck!

OK, this is very relevant! I am about to send JJ BUckley monies for last night's auction and would have tacked on this '77. Thoughts? Shall I pursue it? There's space in the case.

[RonnieRoots]

Only if it was very cheap and you're in for an experiment.

[SushiNorth]

Only if it was very cheap and you're in for an experiment.

I opted for the experiment.

[SushiNorth]

FYI - Gould Campbell 1980 -- $35
still some left at The Chicago Wine Company. For those who put in orders with me, orders have been fulfilled I picked up more than I planned, but it's for the best I think.
Update: Cases have arrived. A mistake may have been made in TBird's favor (TBD)

[ajfeather]

If you are a WS member in the UK and you don't already have a pile of Vesuvio boxes to admire the WS have an reasonable offer on a mixed 6 pack (1997/98/99/00/04/05) for GBP150.

[jdaw1]

Barbeito Boal Historic Series Boston NV ~ 12 @ $47 WS90
Graham`s Port 1963 ~ 1 @ $285 WA96, WS97
Graham`s Port 1966 ~ 4 @ $199 WS93
Kopke 30 Year Old Tawny Port NV ~ 12 @ $100
Kopke Colheita Port 1957 ~ 2 @ $363
Kopke Colheita Port 1977 ~ 5 @ $119
Kopke Dry White Port NV ~ 11 @ $53
Quinto do Fojo Duoro 2000 ~ 2 @ $73
Smith Woodhouse Port 1985 ~ 3 @ $65 WA90
Taylor Port 1963 ~ 1 @ $325 WS97
Taylor Port 1977 ~ 4 @ $179 WS98
Warres Port 1963 ~ 4 @ $249 WS92
Warres Port 1985 ~ 3 @ $76 WS91, MB****/*

[g-man]

Kopke Dry White Port NV ~ 11 @ $53

isnt this a 14$ bottle?

[jdaw1]

Benchmark Wine’s pricing can be a bit random (I have bought when on the cheaper side). Write to them telling them of the mis-price.

[SushiNorth]

Didn't Warre's 63 just go for 130 and Warres 85 just go for 47 at auction?

[jdaw1]

Sure. Auctions are cheaper than retail.

[Andy Velebil]

Kopke Dry White Port NV ~ 11 @ $53

isnt this a 14$ bottle?

Yes, I've been in email contact with them since last week when I first saw this on their website. They just sent me pics today and I pointed out this is their basic dry white and that is was a pricing mistake. I'm sure it will be corrected in the near future.

[Glenn E.]

Kopke Colheita Port 1957 ~ 2 @ $363

Gads that seems high... though since I normally can't find it, I suppose I can't complain.

The last two of the 1957 Rocha that I purchased, though - one from my local QFC (Quality Food Center - a grocery store chain) - were $251 and $252. Is the Kopke really worth an extra $111 per bottle?

[g-man]

Kopke Dry White Port NV ~ 11 @ $53

isnt this a 14$ bottle?

Yes, I've been in email contact with them since last week when I first saw this on their website. They just sent me pics today and I pointed out this is their basic dry white and that is was a pricing mistake. I'm sure it will be corrected in the near future.

With 11 bottles left, looks like someone bit the bullet !

[SushiNorth]

Benchmark Wine’s pricing can be a bit random (I have bought when on the cheaper side). Write to them telling them of the mis-price.

Yah, sometimes the prices over there seem very good. This was not such a time
Not that it matters. I mustn't buy more port!

[Andy Velebil]

Agree, Benchmark either has really good prices or IMHO prices that are higher than normal retail...so buy wisely there. I would be interested to find out how they come up with prices.

[Glenn E.]

1963 Croft - $115
1963 Fonseca - $259
1963 Taylor - $259
1963 Warre - $135
1966 Dow - $149
1970 Croft - $75
1970 Dow - $119
1970 Fonseca - $155
1970 Graham - $138
1970 Taylor - $139
1977 Dow - $99
1977 Graham - $99
1977 Warre - $85
1983 Quarles Harris - $41
1985 Fonseca - $95
1985 Graham - $79
1991 Warre - $45
1994 Taylor - $135
1997 Fonseca - $65

Not posted to website - call or email Stefan at (707) 967-0240 or sales@bpwine.com

Some pretty good US prices there, some not so good.

[g-man]

man ... no more buying.. no more buying ...

those crofts look so tempting.

[Andy Velebil]

Kopke Dry White Port NV ~ 11 @ $53

isnt this a 14$ bottle?

Yes, I've been in email contact with them since last week when I first saw this on their website. They just sent me pics today and I pointed out this is their basic dry white and that is was a pricing mistake. I'm sure it will be corrected in the near future.

With 11 bottles left, looks like someone bit the bullet !

UPDATE: Got an email back from them today that stated they would be the first to be repriced when the time came. Kinda vauge IMO and seeing that no one has bought them so far (they originally only had 11 listed on their site, which is still the case) now would be a good time to reprice and try and sell them.