2016 Declarations

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DRT wrote:
JB vintage wrote: 21:05 Fri 09 Nov 2018
Andy Velebil wrote: 11:30 Mon 16 Apr 2018 To be accurate, most VP's don't come from just one Quinta. Even "SQVP's", by law, can have a small amount from other Quinta's and still be called a SQVP.
Are there rules for SQVP? I thought that SQVP is not at all regulated by the law nor IVDP? Legally it is a Vintage Port, everything else is just marketing.
I agree with JB Vintage - I don't think SQVP is a defined category and the rules that apply to it are those covering Vintage Port.
Semantics. Yes it’s a VP, so it has to follow those rules. To be called a “Quinta...” it has to adhere to more rules.

For example, Quinta do Noval VP and Noval Silval VP can be declared in the same year. One is technically a VP from a single Quinta and one isn’t. They adhere to similar but also different rules.


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Andy Velebil wrote: 00:28 Sat 10 Nov 2018Semantics. Yes it’s a VP, so it has to follow those rules. To be called a “Quinta...” it has to adhere to more rules.

For example, Quinta do Noval VP and Noval Silval VP can be declared in the same year. One is technically a VP from a single Quinta and one isn’t. They adhere to similar but also different rules.
I think we need to see those rules :twisted:
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DRT wrote: 01:28 Sat 10 Nov 2018
Andy Velebil wrote: 00:28 Sat 10 Nov 2018Semantics. Yes it’s a VP, so it has to follow those rules. To be called a “Quinta...” it has to adhere to more rules.

For example, Quinta do Noval VP and Noval Silval VP can be declared in the same year. One is technically a VP from a single Quinta and one isn’t. They adhere to similar but also different rules.
I think we need to see those rules :twisted:
Good luck, they change depending on needs of any given producer :lol:
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The following other houses have bottled a Vintage Port in 2016:

Andresen
Quinta da Boeira
Maynard
Maynard BIO
Feuerheerd
Cruz
Dalva
Presidential
Ventozelo
Delaforce
Real Companhia Velha
Dona Matilde
Santa Eufemia, Quinta
Lamelas, Quinta
Martha (for the first time ever)
Dona Otilia
Pego, Quinta do
Pessegueiro, Quinta do
Pintas
Pocas
Portal
Portal Quinta dos Muros
Rozes
Rozes Grifo
S. Leonardo
S. Jose
Vasquez de Carvalho
Vieira de Sousa
Vieira de Sousa Aqua Alta (first time)
La Rosa
Tedo, Quinta
Crasto, Quinta
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Andy Velebil wrote: 00:28 Sat 10 Nov 2018
DRT wrote:
JB vintage wrote: 21:05 Fri 09 Nov 2018
Andy Velebil wrote: 11:30 Mon 16 Apr 2018 To be accurate, most VP's don't come from just one Quinta. Even "SQVP's", by law, can have a small amount from other Quinta's and still be called a SQVP.
Are there rules for SQVP? I thought that SQVP is not at all regulated by the law nor IVDP? Legally it is a Vintage Port, everything else is just marketing.
I agree with JB Vintage - I don't think SQVP is a defined category and the rules that apply to it are those covering Vintage Port.
Semantics. Yes it’s a VP, so it has to follow those rules. To be called a “Quinta...” it has to adhere to more rules.

For example, Quinta do Noval VP and Noval Silval VP can be declared in the same year. One is technically a VP from a single Quinta and one isn’t. They adhere to similar but also different rules.


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There are rules regulating what is and is not allowed and a set of rules for each category of port. However, as far as I understand there is no category for SQVP. Thus, this is legally treated as a vintage port. I have read the law/regulation governing port and and I have found nothing at all regulating "single quinta".

None the less, each house has it's own internal rules and procedures, but as far as I understand there is no mandatory regulation.
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Axel P wrote: 20:26 Mon 12 Nov 2018 The following other houses have bottled a Vintage Port in 2016:

Andresen
Quinta da Boeira
Maynard
Maynard BIO
Feuerheerd
Cruz
Dalva
Presidential
Ventozelo
Delaforce
Real Companhia Velha
Dona Matilde
Santa Eufemia, Quinta
Lamelas, Quinta
Martha (for the first time ever)
Dona Otilia
Pego, Quinta do
Pessegueiro, Quinta do
Pintas
Pocas
Portal
Portal Quinta dos Muros
Rozes
Rozes Grifo
S. Leonardo
S. Jose
Vasquez de Carvalho
Vieira de Sousa
Vieira de Sousa Aqua Alta (first time)
La Rosa
Tedo, Quinta
Crasto, Quinta
In addition to Axel's information, Dona Otilia, stated above, is also made for the first time as far as I understand. The company was founded 2015.

Quinta da Oliveirinha, produced by Alves de Sousa, was also produced for the first time as well as Talentvs, produced by Seara d'Ordens.
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JB vintage wrote: 12:00 Tue 13 Nov 2018 Quinta da Oliveirinha, produced by Alves de Sousa, was also produced for the first time as well as Talentvs, produced by Seara d'Ordens.
Only Talentvs or do they produce the regular VP as well?
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I don't know. There are several references to Seara d'Ordens vintage 2016 but the only bottle I have seen was Talentvs 2016 so I don't know if it is the same.
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Thank you both for your updates - new additions are now added
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That makes 70 so far I think... does anybody know the vintage with the most declared. I am sure THE BOOK would help in answering this...
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Doggett wrote: 15:10 Tue 13 Nov 2018 That makes 70 so far I think... does anybody know the vintage with the most declared. I am sure THE BOOK would help in answering this...
100 declared of the vintage 2000
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After a quick review i found 3 additional vintages not mentioned:
Bulas,
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Doggett wrote: 15:10 Tue 13 Nov 2018 That makes 70 so far I think... does anybody know the vintage with the most declared. I am sure THE BOOK would help in answering this...
The book won't answer this question. The last fully researched vintage is 1986. The explosion of new producers/shippers didn't begin to happen until it became legal to bottle and ship directly from the Douro in the mid 1990s.
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JB vintage wrote:
Andy Velebil wrote: 00:28 Sat 10 Nov 2018
DRT wrote:
JB vintage wrote: 21:05 Fri 09 Nov 2018
Andy Velebil wrote: 11:30 Mon 16 Apr 2018 To be accurate, most VP's don't come from just one Quinta. Even "SQVP's", by law, can have a small amount from other Quinta's and still be called a SQVP.
Are there rules for SQVP? I thought that SQVP is not at all regulated by the law nor IVDP? Legally it is a Vintage Port, everything else is just marketing.
I agree with JB Vintage - I don't think SQVP is a defined category and the rules that apply to it are those covering Vintage Port.
Semantics. Yes it’s a VP, so it has to follow those rules. To be called a “Quinta...” it has to adhere to more rules.

For example, Quinta do Noval VP and Noval Silval VP can be declared in the same year. One is technically a VP from a single Quinta and one isn’t. They adhere to similar but also different rules.


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There are rules regulating what is and is not allowed and a set of rules for each category of port. However, as far as I understand there is no category for SQVP. Thus, this is legally treated as a vintage port. I have read the law/regulation governing port and and I have found nothing at all regulating "single quinta".

None the less, each house has it's own internal rules and procedures, but as far as I understand there is no mandatory regulation.
Correct. "SQVP" is merely shorthand for VP that comes from a single quinta - that is to say, may be labeled with "Quinta" in the name.

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From the World of Port (Port of the month april 2020) I understand that Quinta dos Lagares bottled their first Port: Quinta dos Lagares Vintage Port 2016 (https://quintadoslagares.pt/project/qui ... ntage-2016)
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PCM wrote: 16:13 Mon 04 May 2020 From the World of Port (Port of the month april 2020) I understand that Quinta dos Lagares bottled their first Port: Quinta dos Lagares Vintage Port 2016 (https://quintadoslagares.pt/project/qui ... ntage-2016)
Thank you for spotting that and sharing it.
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