Vintagewise: Corrections and Comments

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JacobH
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I notice that amongst the 18th Century references to ‟black strap”, quite a few use it as if it were a drink unconnected to Port (as in the quote above).

It is also interesting how far the definition moved from then to Andre Simon’s.
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JacobH wrote:I notice that amongst the 18th Century references to ‟black strap”, quite a few use it as if it were a drink unconnected to Port (as in the quote above).

It is also interesting how far the definition moved from then to Andre Simon’s.
Black strap rum is a mixture of rum and molases. I think that is what all the non-port references are about.
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Perhaps blackstrap port was port with molasses (or molasses and rum) added.
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AHB wrote:Perhaps blackstrap port was port with molasses (or molasses and rum) added.
Could that explain the MacKenzie 1955?!
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benread wrote:
AHB wrote:Perhaps blackstrap port was port with molasses (or molasses and rum) added.
Could that explain the MacKenzie 1955?!
LOL :D
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Perhaps blackstrap port was port with molasses (or molasses and rum) added.
Prior to Pombal's arrival in 1750, just about anything went into the brew..

Subsequently though (and possibly still to this day..?) elderberry or Baga as it is known locally, was often added to darken the wine.

IIRC, the term Blackstrap was a generic term for a full dark intense young port, that was sometimes specified when orders were placed by the military.

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