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Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 16:26 Tue 10 Mar 2009

I'm creating a new thread for listing port for sale at auctions (online, catalog, or otherwise) that folks find interesting. I am not suggesting that we in any way collude on bidding, etc, but of course if two people converse quietly on splitting up a mixed case or the like, that's their business.

(I thought we had this thread, but couldn't find it in the past year's worth of posts)
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 16:27 Tue 10 Mar 2009

Some 60's and 70's have been showing up on WineCommune. I forgot to keep an eye on them last time and a 1970 Warre slipped by at $62 (though I suspect their proxy bid was much higher, given that other bottles were going at 140-150). Right now it's 70 Warre and 70 Dow and they've piqued my interest.
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by g-man » 18:50 Tue 10 Mar 2009

I don't trust wine commune at all for these types of 1 bottle transactions.
Chances are, it's someone who found a deal some place, most likely not properly stored
and decided to pawn it off on wine commune.
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by jdaw1 » 18:54 Tue 10 Mar 2009

Good idea to have such a thread a counterpart to Port for sale by retailer.

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 19:33 Tue 10 Mar 2009

g-man wrote:I don't trust wine commune at all for these types of 1 bottle transactions.
Chances are, it's someone who found a deal some place, most likely not properly stored
and decided to pawn it off on wine commune.
Ah, so here's the WineCommune trick -- I only buy them when JJBuckley is the seller. You know its coming from their store, and can simply get it at a discount with some shrewd bidding.
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by benread » 20:18 Tue 10 Mar 2009

How would people feel about having UK and US threads seperately? Most of us are only looking for port in one location or the other!

I do like both threads though.
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Post by jdaw1 » 20:27 Tue 10 Mar 2009

SushiNorth wrote:Ah, so here's the WineCommune trick -- I only buy them when JJBuckley is the seller. You know its coming from their store, and can simply get it at a discount with some shrewd bidding.
Please invite JJBuckley to join :tpf: and post offers in this thread.

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by jdaw1 » 03:30 Sat 21 Mar 2009

Brentwood Wine on 25th March 2009, including the likes of Vargellas 1967 (est: $55 to $75) and Cachão 1967 (est: $45 to $65).

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 03:00 Mon 23 Mar 2009

(just won some Fonseca 1985 and a 1977 Warre)

JJBuckley (reliable) has listed the following items on WineCommune, bidding closes next sunday evening. There are rarely big enough piggybanks to cover the $$s these ports should command, and so I suspect there will be bargains about.
1985 Warre
1985 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Fonseca
1963 Fonseca
1977 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1985 Graham
2000 Graham
1977 Dow
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1963 Fonseca
1963 Warre
1983 Cockburn
1963 Warre
1963 Warre
1985 Graham
1977 Fonseca
1982 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1982 Sandeman
1963 Warre
1977 Fonseca
1985 Fonseca
1977 Fonseca
1985 Warre
1985 Graham
1963 Warre
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Graham
1963 Sandeman
1977 Dow
1977 Graham
(Multiple listings due to bottle lots of differing condition)
JJBuckley charges $3.50 per lot (multiple bottles from a dutch lot are counted as one lot), plus 1% insurance, plus shipping of about $19 +$2/bottle.
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by g-man » 04:00 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Zachy's april 3

880 1 Quinta do Noval Nacional 1985 750ml $150 - 250
1498 12 Fonseca 1985 750ml $550 - 800
1785 2 Cockburn 1927 750ml $1,100 - 1,700

1255 7 Mixed Lot Mixed $500 - 750
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1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1963
bottom neck, generic label, fully stamped wax capsule, imported by Wine Warehouse, Los Angeles
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1970
bottom neck
1 750ml Dow 1985
bottom neck
1 750ml Gould Campbell 1985
into neck, wine-stained label
1 750ml Graham 1985
bottom neck
2 750ml Taylor Port 1985
one bottom neck, one very top shoulder

1784 6 Mixed Lot Mixed $1,400 - 2,400
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1 750ml Sandeman 1911
upper shoulder, bin-soiled label, shipped by BH. Loeb & Co. Ltd., British bottled by John Sanson & Son, Leicester, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman Port 1945
one into neck, one bottom neck, one nicked label, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
1 750ml Sandeman Port 1946
into neck, bin-soiled label, shipped by Avery's, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman 1955
one into neck, one bottom neck, two nicked labels, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by RonnieRoots » 15:42 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Would it make sense to place some low bids on Fonseca and Warre 1963? It would definitely make our offline complete. 88)
SushiNorth wrote:(just won some Fonseca 1985 and a 1977 Warre)

JJBuckley (reliable) has listed the following items on WineCommune, bidding closes next sunday evening. There are rarely big enough piggybanks to cover the $$s these ports should command, and so I suspect there will be bargains about.
1985 Warre
1985 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Fonseca
1963 Fonseca
1977 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1985 Graham
2000 Graham
1977 Dow
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1963 Fonseca
1963 Warre
1983 Cockburn
1963 Warre
1963 Warre
1985 Graham
1977 Fonseca
1982 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1982 Sandeman
1963 Warre
1977 Fonseca
1985 Fonseca
1977 Fonseca
1985 Warre
1985 Graham
1963 Warre
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Graham
1963 Sandeman
1977 Dow
1977 Graham
(Multiple listings due to bottle lots of differing condition)
JJBuckley charges $3.50 per lot (multiple bottles from a dutch lot are counted as one lot), plus 1% insurance, plus shipping of about $19 +$2/bottle.

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 15:46 Mon 23 Mar 2009

RonnieRoots wrote:Would it make sense to place some low bids on Fonseca and Warre 1963? It would definitely make our offline complete. 88)
I would not recommend bothering to bid until the weekend, and you will want to be online when the auction concludes as there is lots of 1$ upping at the last. If bidding actually showed your username in the bid history, it would be worth it simply so that we knew who was "in it," but bidders are anonymized.
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Post by jdaw1 » 18:46 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Josh: please would you take charge of this. Bid something low but more than fire-sale at whatever time you deem best. Costs will be reimbursed.

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 19:32 Mon 23 Mar 2009

RonnieRoots wrote:Would it make sense to place some low bids on Fonseca and Warre 1963? It would definitely make our offline complete. 88)
jdaw1 wrote:Josh: please would you take charge of this. Bid something low but more than fire-sale at whatever time you deem best. Costs will be reimbursed.
What should be the maximum spent on the bottle, not including shipping? Consider what your alternative sources are for the bottles, and best-price-elsewhere. I'll bid up to that # (less the $3.50 service fee).

Here's where they are at, now... This is unusually high, 6 days before the end of the auction, and there are a number of bigger names that I haven't seen bidding since last spring (the traditional port sell-off)

1963 Fonseca (fill into neck) $111
1963 Fonseca (fill base-neck, cracked capsule) $91
1963 Warre (fill into neck, sign of slight seepage) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is nicked and slightly corroded) $72
1963 Warre (fill midneck) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is slightly corroded) $22
1963 Warre (fill high neck) $28
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by g-man » 19:52 Mon 23 Mar 2009

SushiNorth wrote:
What should be the maximum spent on the bottle, not including shipping? Consider what your alternative sources are for the bottles, and best-price-elsewhere. I'll bid up to that # (less the $3.50 service fee).

Here's where they are at, now... This is unusually high, 6 days before the end of the auction, and there are a number of bigger names that I haven't seen bidding since last spring (the traditional port sell-off)

1963 Fonseca (fill into neck) $111
1963 Fonseca (fill base-neck, cracked capsule) $91
1963 Warre (fill into neck, sign of slight seepage) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is nicked and slightly corroded) $72
1963 Warre (fill midneck) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is slightly corroded) $22
1963 Warre (fill high neck) $28
The 63 Fonseca never goes below 150 (including tax/shipping) retail that I've seen in the states.
The 63 warre i have no idea but can't possibly be more then the fonseca.
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Post by DRT » 21:13 Mon 23 Mar 2009

beware of lurkers here who may outbid you by $1 :roll: :crying:
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Post by uncle tom » 21:23 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Oporto bottled W63 has a high incidence of leakers and/or poor levels - good fills are something of a rarity. UK bottlings are not often seen.

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by g-man » 21:27 Mon 23 Mar 2009

DRT wrote:beware of lurkers here who may outbid you by $1 :roll: :crying:
how bout you wait for a minute left. and sneak in a bid that's 2$ higher, so teh 1$ highers can't get in =)
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 21:33 Mon 23 Mar 2009

DRT wrote:beware of lurkers here who may outbid you by $1 :roll: :crying:
LOL! You have to bid up to your absolute maximum. It'll auto-bid in increments for you. If they bid $1 more, that was $1 more than you were willing to spend. Sucks, but cut the losses. :) I lost a few bottles last night that way. The tough part was that I needed to be sure I got my big lot (the 85 Fonseca) to fill out enough of the case to make shipping worth it. I delayed the two 1-bottle lots before it by bidding in $1 increments just before each auction closed (thus extending it 5 minutes). Once I had the Fonseca's, i pursued others more vigorously.

I didn't let anything go until it was no longer economically logical; no-one got a great deal if i was bidding. :)
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Post by DRT » 22:08 Mon 23 Mar 2009

I was trying to caution against discussing maximum bids here as others will then know what you will bid as your max, and perhaps bid $1 more. :wink:
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Post by jdaw1 » 22:58 Mon 23 Mar 2009

We need these: bid at least $25,000 each. (Ha! That’ll teach ’em.)

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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by g-man » 02:18 Mon 30 Mar 2009

Some interesting stuff at the upcomign zachy's

Lot 1784 6 Mixed Lot Mixed $1,400 - 2,400
Bid
Qty Size Description
1 750ml Sandeman 1911
upper shoulder, bin-soiled label, shipped by BH. Loeb & Co. Ltd., British bottled by John Sanson & Son, Leicester, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman Port 1945
one into neck, one bottom neck, one nicked label, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
1 750ml Sandeman Port 1946
into neck, bin-soiled label, shipped by Avery's, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman 1955
one into neck, one bottom neck, two nicked labels, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618

Lot 1731 12 Warres 1977 750ml $600 - 900

Lot 1730 6 Fonseca 1970 750ml $500 - 750 - I think I'm going to try and win this one.

Lot 1255 7 Mixed Lot Mixed $500 - 750
Bid
Qty Size Description
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1963
bottom neck, generic label, fully stamped wax capsule, imported by Wine Warehouse, Los Angeles
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1970
bottom neck
1 750ml Dow 1985
bottom neck
1 750ml Gould Campbell 1985
into neck, wine-stained label
1 750ml Graham 1985
bottom neck
2 750ml Taylor Port 1985
one bottom neck, one very top shoulder

Lot 1498 12 Fonseca 1985 750ml $550 - 800
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by jdaw1 » 02:38 Mon 30 Mar 2009

1784 might be a wine investor fallen on hard times.

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Post by g-man » 03:07 Mon 30 Mar 2009

heh, i might bid on that one too
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Re: Port for sale at auction

Post by SushiNorth » 03:14 Mon 30 Mar 2009

No 63's were won at auction tonight.
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