My understanding is that they will declare Noval and Silval but Nacional is not yet decided.Axel P wrote:Although unconfirmed I was told that I would get a strong support from Noval for my german VP tasting next year. I guess that should mean something, but nothing official yet.
2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
There’s a trade function in NY on Monday at which Noval and Romaneira will be presented.
- Axel P
- Taylor Quinta de Vargellas 1987
- Posts: 2027
- Joined: 08:09 Wed 12 Sep 2007
- Location: Langenfeld, near Cologne, Germany
- Contact:
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Delaforce and RCV are declaring, too. That solves the mistery about the brand's future, I guess.
Axel
Axel
worldofport.com
o-port-unidade.com
o-port-unidade.com
- Axel P
- Taylor Quinta de Vargellas 1987
- Posts: 2027
- Joined: 08:09 Wed 12 Sep 2007
- Location: Langenfeld, near Cologne, Germany
- Contact:
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Portal is declaring, too.
Axel
Axel
worldofport.com
o-port-unidade.com
o-port-unidade.com
- uncle tom
- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
- Posts: 3520
- Joined: 23:43 Wed 20 Jun 2007
- Location: Near Saffron Walden, England
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Do you know who made the Delaforce? Is it still a wine based mainly on grapes from Q. Corte, or an RCV wine from Q. Carvalhas etc..?Delaforce and RCV are declaring, too. That solves the mistery about the brand's future, I guess
Tom
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly - W.S. Churchill
- Axel P
- Taylor Quinta de Vargellas 1987
- Posts: 2027
- Joined: 08:09 Wed 12 Sep 2007
- Location: Langenfeld, near Cologne, Germany
- Contact:
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
I asked exactly this question to my contact at RCV and as well asked for some more info concerning a possible strategy for the future of Delaforce since I do not really believe that the brand fits into the PORTfolio of RCV. Let you know asap.
Other impressions, please?
Axel
Other impressions, please?
Axel
worldofport.com
o-port-unidade.com
o-port-unidade.com
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
List updated to this point.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
In addition to their classic Vintage Port, Niepoort will declare an SQVP produced from grapes from their Pisca vineyard.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHPxKUd6vio - link cross-posted from
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHPxKUd6vio - link cross-posted from
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
- SushiNorth
- Martinez 1985
- Posts: 1341
- Joined: 07:45 Mon 18 Feb 2008
- Location: NJ & NY
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
OK, so about that video...
1) Go Dirk. That they went and put this on youtube is a great move. It also lets me "meet Dirk" and he's got a very pleasant demeanor.
2) I don't necessarily agree with his analysis of N07, but I think he fairly describes what we were hearing about conditions that year. Also gave some interesting backstory about Pisca.
Perhaps some of the others will take a cue from this and talk about their wines.
1) Go Dirk. That they went and put this on youtube is a great move. It also lets me "meet Dirk" and he's got a very pleasant demeanor.
2) I don't necessarily agree with his analysis of N07, but I think he fairly describes what we were hearing about conditions that year. Also gave some interesting backstory about Pisca.
Perhaps some of the others will take a cue from this and talk about their wines.
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Readers might also be interested in the thread The 2007 Vintage Port Declaration: Preview Tasting New York, which includes comment on prices. (Low-bandwidth users might be less interested: the first page of that thread contains 5.4 megabytes of pictures.)
- JacobH
- Quinta do Vesuvio 1994
- Posts: 3300
- Joined: 16:37 Sat 03 May 2008
- Location: London, UK
- Contact:
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Based on Julian's post, should Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha be added to the list?
I hadn't noticed this before, but there seems to be the beginnings of a trend of shippers declaring both a SQVP and a VP in the same year.
I hadn't noticed this before, but there seems to be the beginnings of a trend of shippers declaring both a SQVP and a VP in the same year.
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Will do so now.JacobH wrote:Based on Julian's post, should Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha be added to the list?
Perhaps this is in part a reaction to the demand for wines that can be drunk young whilst allowing the shippers to also make long term keepers?JacobH wrote:I hadn't noticed this before, but there seems to be the beginnings of a trend of shippers declaring both a SQVP and a VP in the same year.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
- RonnieRoots
- Fonseca 1980
- Posts: 1981
- Joined: 08:28 Thu 21 Jun 2007
- Location: Middle Earth
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
The first official prices came in:
- Fonseca 2007: € 73,50
- Taylor's 2007: € 59,95
As listed on the site of Ton Overmars in Amsterdam, who is usually quite competitive in pricing. These prices are lower than the 2003's on release. Good news.
- Fonseca 2007: € 73,50
- Taylor's 2007: € 59,95
As listed on the site of Ton Overmars in Amsterdam, who is usually quite competitive in pricing. These prices are lower than the 2003's on release. Good news.
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Whether that's per bottle or per case it gets the same reaction from me:RonnieRoots wrote:The first official prices came in:
- Fonseca 2007: € 73,50
- Taylor's 2007: € 59,95
As listed on the site of Ton Overmars in Amsterdam, who is usually quite competitive in pricing. These prices are lower than the 2003's on release. Good news.
Glenn Elliott
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
‟per fles” = per bottle.
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
i wonder what the state side prices are then. ..
the 03 fonseca was 49$ when i picked it up
the 03 fonseca was 49$ when i picked it up
Disclosure: Distributor of Quevedo wines and Quinta do Gomariz
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
With the £:€ exchange rate at as good as 1:1 those are prices that will prevent me from buying any 2007s for a very long time to come. £70 for a bottle of 2 year old VP that I won't drink for 20 years just doesn't make sense to meRonnieRoots wrote:The first official prices came in:
- Fonseca 2007: € 73,50
- Taylor's 2007: € 59,95
As listed on the site of Ton Overmars in Amsterdam, who is usually quite competitive in pricing. These prices are lower than the 2003's on release. Good news.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Should we put prices in a new thread?
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
- uncle tom
- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
- Posts: 3520
- Joined: 23:43 Wed 20 Jun 2007
- Location: Near Saffron Walden, England
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
We should certainly distinguish between prices for different markets & merchants, and possibly sales qtyShould we put prices in a new thread?
Why not add lines beneath each declared VP such as:
Fonseca
- Ton Overmars (NL) €73,50/75cL
Tom
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly - W.S. Churchill
- Alex Bridgeman
- Graham’s 1948
- Posts: 14912
- Joined: 13:41 Mon 25 Jun 2007
- Location: Berkshire, UK
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Holy Cow!! That Fonseca price is astonishing. I paid £31 a bottle, on release and in bond, for my Fonseca 2003 and I've seen them at auction in the £27-35 per bottle range.RonnieRoots wrote:- Fonseca 2007: € 73,50
- Taylor's 2007: € 59,95
No way will I pay £66 per bottle for the 2007 (or even £54 for the Taylor). Sorry TFP, but if those are the prices then the UK will buy absolutely nothing.
Ouch!
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
- uncle tom
- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
- Posts: 3520
- Joined: 23:43 Wed 20 Jun 2007
- Location: Near Saffron Walden, England
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Indeed, but Dutch prices have been very high (in recent years, at least) - hopefully they are not planning to ask such a ludicrous sum in the UK.Holy Cow!! That Fonseca price is astonishing. I paid £31 a bottle, on release and in bond, for my Fonseca 2003 and I've seen them at auction in the £27-35 per bottle range.
The UK auction price for the 2003 has been about £260 - £280/case, barely a third of the Dutch release price for the '07...
Tom
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly - W.S. Churchill
- RonnieRoots
- Fonseca 1980
- Posts: 1981
- Joined: 08:28 Thu 21 Jun 2007
- Location: Middle Earth
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
The '03 release prices of Fonseca and Taylor were about €90 and €75 in the Netherlands. Very expensive, and that's mostly due to the Dutch importers and their ridiculous mark-ups. So this is a step in the right direction. But I agree it's hardly attractive with the current €/£ exchange rate.
Back in 2005 I was tempted to buy Fonseca 03 from BBR, which had a much better price. Including VAT, duty and shipping to the Netherlands it would come down to about €55 a bottle. I managed to find them for the same price closer to home back then, so didn't do it eventually, but just to give you an idea of price differences between NL and UK.
If the prices are right in the UK this time, it would be very attractive for me to buy there, given that I'm on the right side of the low £.
Back in 2005 I was tempted to buy Fonseca 03 from BBR, which had a much better price. Including VAT, duty and shipping to the Netherlands it would come down to about €55 a bottle. I managed to find them for the same price closer to home back then, so didn't do it eventually, but just to give you an idea of price differences between NL and UK.
If the prices are right in the UK this time, it would be very attractive for me to buy there, given that I'm on the right side of the low £.
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
AHB sent me an email earlier today and asked me to post this on his behalf as he has other things to attend to this evening:
AHB wrote:At a presentation of 2000, 2003 and 2007 vintage ports by the Taylor Fladgate Partnership, the Symington Family and Noval / Christian Seely, the following interesting items of information were gleaned:
- Retail prices for the 2007 TFP wines are likely to be around 10% higher than the 2003 prices. This reflects a combination of significantly weaker sterling offset by reduced prices reflecting the economic climate. In the order of £45 per bottle in bond for Taylor and Fonseca and £30-35 for Croft.
- TFP and Adrian Bridge in particular are determined to make Croft one of the top tier port producers.
- The growing season was compared by Adrian Bridge to that of 1966 and the bouquet of the wines to those of the 1992 vintage.
- Taylors will be making mixed cases available through their agents, containing 2 bottles Croft, 2 Fonseca and 2 Taylor. This was being pitched at the gift market but I pointed out that this was also perfect for the poor modern consumer forced to use offsite storage where the storage company would only hold unbroken and unmixed cases. Perfect for having balanced drinking by the case in 20 years time.
- Taylors offer to retailers was issued last week and the Symingtons offer went out this morning. Prices to us, the consumers, should be available soon.
- Adrian did not use apostrophes at all during his conversations.
- The Symingtons have entered the ultra-fine port market with Vesuvio Capela. This is a Susao containing blend of super selected grapes with only 250 cases being released.
- Other wines being shipped by the Symingtons include the regular Vesuvio, Graham, Dow, Warre, Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell and Quarles Harris.
- Taylors will also be releasing a Skeffington 2007 blend.
- There is a further presentation of 2007 ports on 19th May at Vintners Hall.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
Not mentioned on the rather sparse www.quintadovesuvio.com/pt/news.asp, nor on the differently sparse www.quintadovesuvio.com/news.asp.DRT wrote:AHB wrote:- The Symingtons have entered the ultra-fine port market with Vesuvio Capela. This is a Susao containing blend of super selected grapes with only 250 cases being released.
Re: 2007 Vintage Port Declarations
repost from spectator, Suckling's reviews.
"I was spellbound by the top Vintage Ports of my tasting. They include: Taylor Fladgate Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha (97-100 points on Wine Spectator's 100-point scale), Graham (96-99) and Warre (95-98), followed by Dow, Quinta do Noval and Taylor Fladgate (all 94-97). These were the Ports that showed the best grip, the highest density and quality of ripe tannins, and opulent, sweet fruit."
"I was spellbound by the top Vintage Ports of my tasting. They include: Taylor Fladgate Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha (97-100 points on Wine Spectator's 100-point scale), Graham (96-99) and Warre (95-98), followed by Dow, Quinta do Noval and Taylor Fladgate (all 94-97). These were the Ports that showed the best grip, the highest density and quality of ripe tannins, and opulent, sweet fruit."
Disclosure: Distributor of Quevedo wines and Quinta do Gomariz