Maps of the Douro

[JacobH]

I know this topic has been discussed a fair bit before but perhaps not from this angle. Does anyone have, or know to exist, a map of the Douro which shows the major Quintas and which has longitude and latitude markings on it?

The reason for asking is that if we could produce a list of Quintas and their geographic co-ordinates, we could then do interesting things with online and digital mapping tools. For instance, if you feed a co-ordinate into Wikipedia's GeoHack, you can get a page like which produces links to all the major online mapping sites, giving quick access to satellite photos and the like. A good example would be this for Quinta do Vesuvio.

This data could then easily be incorporated into . For instance the tasting note list could have a little globe which you could click on:

Quinta do Vesuvio vintage port

• 1863: V1863 AHB on 23 Sep 2008
• 1989
  • V89 DRT on 25 Jun 2007
  • V89 AHB on 07 Nov 2007
  • V89 AP on 07 Nov 2007
  • V89 AHB on 30 Nov 2008
  • V89 DRT on 21 Feb 2010

[etc]

This would be quite helpful for people like me who can never remember where the Quintas are and also for anyone who just likes looking at the satellite photos of the Douro.

If there is a decent map, then this should be quite an easy task: reading the co-ordinates would probably just take an hour or so which is why I'm quite interested in it. If not, there are other ways (involving looking up the quintas on online mapping sites) but that would be much more time consuming.

[jdaw1]

Good idea.

It gets complicated for blended ports: perhaps we could do something like ‟(maps: Malvedos, Lages, Tua, Vila Velha, Malhadas)”, which has the extra merit of not using the globe icon. Obvious the list would have to include every Quinta ever used by that blend.

[JacobH]

It gets complicated for blended ports: perhaps we could do something like ‟(maps: Malvedos, Lages, Tua, Vila Velha, Malhadas)”, which has the extra merit of not using the globe icon. Obvious the list would have to include every Quinta ever used by that blend.

Yes, of course, which is why I primarily had SQVPs in mind. I think the difficult bit might be getting the data; once that is done deciding what to do with it should be easy.

[RonnieRoots]

I would guess the army maps have longitude/latitude markings? A good number of quintas are specified on these maps, although they are not complete.

I don't really see the sense of naming every quinta that makes part of a blended vintage port (and since there are many, many small quintas that contribute grapes, it would also be an impossible task), but for SQVP's this is a great tool.

[JacobH]

I would guess the army maps have longitude/latitude markings? A good number of quintas are specified on these maps, although they are not complete.

Hmm...do you know where I could get such a map?

I've started to do this by the hard way (looking up the Quintas on Google Maps and getting the longitude & latitude from that) and have got the following low-hanging fruit which I've now added to my tasting note database:

• Crasto
• Noval
• Vesuvio
• Bomfim
• Canais
• Malvedos
• Vargellas

Any assistance would be helpful. The process is simple: find the Quinta on Google Maps. Right-click on it. Click either What's here or O que é isto? (if you are using the Portuguese site). Then get the co-ordinates either from the side bar or the search box.

[Glenn E.]

Quinta do Panascal: 41.146798,-7.573131 or +41° 8' 48.47", -7° 34' 23.27" if you prefer.
Quinta de la Rosa: 41.182013,-7.552779 or +41° 10' 55.25", -7° 33' 10.00" if you prefer.

[DRT]

Carvalhãs 41.181767, -7.532882
São Luiz 41.157526, -7.616605
Tedo 41.156864, -7.640347
Napoles 41.148805, -7.642552
Foz 41.189337, -7.549807
Terra Feita 41.215240, -7.544689
Ventozelo 41.186454, -7.513592
Tua 41.212113, -7.428110
Cachão 41.143970, -7.332457
Senhora de Ribeira 41.146584, -7.260128
Seixo 41.167792, -7.555300
Porto 41.173574, -7.564430

[JacobH]

Thanks Derek and Glenn. Much appreciated

I decided that the GeoHack thing, whilst quite useful, isn't exactly what I had in mind as you can't really get a sense of the fact that (e.g.) Senhora da Ribeira is on the opposite side of the river to Vesuvio.

I've therefore decided it might be better to put something together myself. A draft is available at http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/. It still need some configuration so that we could integrate it with the TN database (assuming the Admin might be interested in something like this) but I'm quite pleased with how its turned out now.

Any further co-ordinates would be very welcome. A list, as Derek has done, is perfect for this sort of thing.

[jdaw1]

http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/

Hmmm: I like.

In terms of links to the TN database, I’d be happy to add such IDs as would help. Can the individual labels be links? In terms of links from the TN database, instruct and I’ll endeavour to cope.

[JacobH]

In terms of links to the TN database, I’d be happy to add such IDs as would help. Can the individual labels be links? In terms of links from the TN database, instruct and I’ll endeavour to cope.

Yes, the labels can. Alternatively, we can have a pop-up balloon when you click on the pin containing more information (such as links &c.); I'll try both and see what is more intuitive. In terms of the IDs, what is the simplest way of implementing it at your end? Could we have the ID being the Quinta's full name minus the shipper (e.g. for Cálem Quinta da Foz could id="Quinta da Foz")? That was most things should match up automatically.

[jdaw1]

Could we have the ID being the Quinta's full name minus the shipper (e.g. for Cálem Quinta da Foz could id="Quinta da Foz")? That was most things should match up automatically.

IDs should be lower case without spaces. Subject to that, send me a list of your preferred IDs and I’ll add a column to a spreadsheet table.

[JacobH]

That was most things should match up automatically.

Sorry, meant that way...

IDs should be lower case without spaces. Subject to that, send me a list of your preferred IDs and I’ll add a column to a spreadsheet table.

I've made it automatically generate links to name of the quinta, lower-case and without spaces (e.g. #quintadelarosa for Quinta de la Rosa). Can you generate those automatically? If there are then any discrepancies/problems, we could sort them out afterwards.

I've also added a function to centre on a particular quinta via an external link (e.g. http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... osmalvedos (though "quinta=Quinta dos Malvedos" will also work: it is case and space insensitive)).

[jdaw1]

Please PM me your list of preferred IDs, which I shall reuse for your parameters.

[DRT]

This is excellent, Jacob, thanks for doing this.

Subject to my co-author setting me too much work to do this weekend I will happily provide more co-ordinates this weekend.

Julian, if it is easy to do please post of send me a list of all of the Quintas currently listed in the TN index so that I can prioritise those over all others.

Derek

[JacobH]

Subject to my co-author setting me too much work to do this weekend I will happily provide more co-ordinates this weekend.

Thanks. That’s great.

Julian, if it is easy to do please post of send me a list of all of the Quintas currently listed in the TN index so that I can prioritise those over all others.

I’m not sure if Julian has done so yet, but as this is pretty easy to do, I’ll send you the list now.

[JacobH]

Julian has, very kindly, added the relevant code to the TN page so we can link directly from the map to it. I’ve also made a few other changes (e.g. adding Quintas’ websites when they exist &c.) and messed around with the code a bit more.

If anyone reading this could have a play and give me any thoughts, I’d be grateful. I’d be particularly interested in hearing of any major (e.g. ‟it doesn’t work”) or minor (e.g. ‟this is awkward”) problems and any improvements or suggestions.

The link is the same: http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map

[jdaw1]

When you’ve decided how to link to the map from the alphabetical TN index, please let me know. I envisage, at the end of a subset of lines containing a â—Š, a ‟ (map)”: all that I need to know is the link, which would ideally consist of a prefix string, the HTML ID, and a postfix string.

[JacobH]

When you’ve decided how to link to the map from the alphabetical TN index, please let me know. I envisage, at the end of a subset of lines containing a â—Š, a ‟ (map)”: all that I need to know is the link, which would ideally consist of a prefix string, the HTML ID, and a postfix string.

Currently, the prefix string is:
http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/index.php?quinta=
though the first part of it (i.e. that which precedes index.php) may change if it is uploaded to . The ID will then be the same as the ID for the anchor in you index page (i.e. vesuvio for Vesuvio; canais for Canais). There is no postfix string. Completed examples might be http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... nta=canais and
http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... ta=vesuvio. Although this is probably irrelevant for your purposes, I’ve made it fairly flexible so it is case and space insensitive and will take either the full (‟Quinta dos Malvedos”) or short (‟Malvedos”) name of the quinta.

[jdaw1]

If you can send me a list of the IDs that have been implemented in you system, I might be able to cope soon.

[jdaw1]

Cancel that. Copied by hand. Please comment. Link: alphabetical TN index.

[DRT]

Please comment.

Splendid. I can't think of any improvements at this point other than adding more quintas, so I'll get on with finding some more.

[DRT]

A few more...

Quinta de Ervamoira 41.019914, -7.112854 This was a guess - someone who knows needs to check
Quinta do Convento de São Pedro das águias 41.086096, -7.517738 Website: http://www.senhoradoconvento.com/en/domaine.htm
Quinta do Cachão 41.143970, -7.332457
Quinta Senhora da Ribeira 41.146584, -7.260128
Quinta do Panascal 41.146798,-7.573131
Quinta de Napoles 41.148805, -7.642552
Quinta de Vale Meão 41.148874, -7.128110
Quinta da Pacheca 41.152534, -7.797074
Quinta das Lages 41.156169, -7.512782
Quinta do Tedo 41.156864, -7.640347
Quinta São Luiz 41.157526, -7.616605
Quinta de Madelena 41.159271, -7.508876
Quinta do Retiro Novo 41.159582, -7.522802
Quinta da Corte 41.160385, -7.559007
Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo 41.162114, -7.595608
Quinta do Vallado 41.162361, -7.766167
Quinta do Vale Dona Maria 41.165159, -7.511730
Quinta da Agua Alta 41.165167, -7.622194
Quinta do Boa Vista 41.165749, -7.574097
Quinta do Seixo 41.167792, -7.555300
Quinta do Porto 41.173574, -7.564430
Quinta do Infantado 41.174067, -7.580298
Quinta da Vista Allegre 41.179090, -7.565331
Quinta das Carvalhas 41.181767, -7.532882
Quinta de la Rosa 41.182013,-7.552779
Quinta de Ventozelo 41.186454, -7.513592
Cálem Quinta da Foz 41.189337, -7.549807
Quinta da Eira Velha 41.192933, -7.553562
Quinta de Roriz 41.197301, -7.486158
Quinta da Romaneira 41.202213, -7.497236 The co-ordinates to the left are of the original Quinta buildings, now a hotel. The new winery is located at 41.214159, -7.493663
Quinta do Junco 41.205385, -7.553304
Quinta do Tua 41.212113, -7.428110
Quinta do Noval Nacional Vineyard 41.213594, -7.536122
Quinta de Terra Feita 41.215240, -7.544689
Quinta da Cavadinha 41.218614, -7.554281
Quinta do Cruzeiro 41.230690, -7.528977
Quinta do Passadouro 41.235075, -7.531246
Quinta do Fojo 41.251589, -7.529390

[JacobH]

Excellent. Many thanks for those, Derek. They’ve been added to the map

I’ve also tweaked the code so that direct links to quintas with accents in their names now work.

[JacobH]

I have now finished writing a very short blurb about each Quinta on the map which appears when you click on the pin. The idea is that it might be interesting to be able to see, at a glance, who owns a particular Quinta and what happens to any wine produced there. (Though I haven’t yet proof read them, so there may be lots of typos...Apologies in advance ). That said, if the map does get moved to and such commentary is seen as undesirable, it would be easy to remove.

Having looked through the Liddell’s book, I think we now have most of the important Quintas located. The only ones that I think are missing which really ought to be on the map are: Bom Retiro; Chousa (if this is still separate from Tua?); Côtto; da Gricha; Roeda; Silval; Vau; and Zimbro. Could anyone help with locating those, please? I can probably work them out from other maps, but as I got the Nacional vineyard in the wrong place, someone with some more experience might be more accurate!

[DRT]

Quinta da Pacheca 41.152534, -7.797074

Correction: Quinta da Pacheca 41.155733, -7.798340