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Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 17:31 Fri 30 Dec 2011
by Glenn E.
Hahahaha... love it, Cynthia!
My only counter to Julian's argument is that TPF did not exist when Cockburn was dominant. If popularity is going to be the deciding factor for awarding single-letter abbreviations, then it should be based on the popularity when the abbreviations are awarded.
Personally, I don't think that any 'C' Port deserves the single letter. None are as clearly distinguised from the others as Fonseca is from other Fs, Graham is from other Gs, etc. It might be possible to argue for Croft at this point, but 5 years ago I don't think you could have made that argument.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 20:03 Fri 30 Dec 2011
by jdaw1
Is there anybody other than me who prefers C to Ck? If that’s you, speak soon.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 22:06 Fri 30 Dec 2011
by jdaw1
From a 1932 wine list of Fortnum & Mason:
Cockburn, then Taylor, then the rest.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 22:09 Fri 30 Dec 2011
by RAYC
Do you have a similar example from the period, say, 1750 - 1800...?
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 22:28 Fri 30 Dec 2011
by jdaw1
The 1900 catalogue from Harrods has multiple 1896s: Cockburn at 36/0; Martinez at 34/0; Dow, Croft, Taylor Fladgate, and Feuerheerd Zimbro at 33/0; and Fonseca and Smith Woodhouse at 31/0.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 02:56 Sat 31 Dec 2011
by DRT
I'm not sure what the picture above is trying to demonstrate. All I see is a list of shippers in alphabetical order.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 11:19 Sat 31 Dec 2011
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:I'm not sure what the picture above is trying to demonstrate.
Observe prices.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 12:58 Sat 31 Dec 2011
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:DRT wrote:I'm not sure what the picture above is trying to demonstrate.
Observe prices.
I can't see the prices. It looks like this on my machine...
- Screen shot 2011-12-31 at 11.59.12.png (45.15 KiB) Viewed 3274 times
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 13:42 Sat 31 Dec 2011
by jdaw1
You could have right-clicked and selected your browser’s equivalent of Open Image in New Tab.
But instead I’ve shrunk the image.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 15:56 Sat 31 Dec 2011
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:You could have right-clicked and selected your browser’s equivalent of Open Image in New Tab.
But instead I’ve shrunk the image.
Your second solution was more elegant than your first. Yes, I know that wounds you deeply.
Re: Shipper Abbreviations
Posted: 20:50 Sat 31 Dec 2011
by uncle tom
Hmm..
There being several shippers that have a C initial, I don't normally use C on its own for any of them; and just to be awkward, I've long been in the habit of abbreviating Cockburn to Co, which does not cause confusion. I would refer to Canais as CoC.
The 'official' list of abreviations is a little opaque with some of the other C's - Ch clearly references Churchill, so it seems logical for Agua Alta to be ChA and Gricha to be ChG rather than the CAA and CG listed.
Oh well.. - Happy new year!
Tom