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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by PhilW » 13:58 Sat 12 Sep 2015

jdaw1 wrote:My question asked “whence”. You have answered everything else (though I think the no-expenses cost was 95/-). And Croft was formerly known as Thompson & Croft.
Your question was noted; I did include my best, though perhaps not very useful, response to the question asked:
PhilW wrote: "Wm. Tilliffe" (shortened Wilhelm?) but I have no confidence in that reading
I included the rest as I was not aware of "Thompson and Croft" in case relevant or helpful, if not already clear/known.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 13:59 Mon 14 Sep 2015

Joliffe.
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Post by djewesbury » 14:02 Mon 14 Sep 2015

Having trouble with the first name though.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 14:06 Mon 14 Sep 2015

J. C. Iss... ? The second and third letters are both s. They aren't r: see the r in April, and the other s's elsewhere. Based on my belief that the second name is Joliffe, the first initial of the first name is also J, and the first letter of the first surname, which is penned differently, is I. The last letter looks like d. But Issid doesn't sound like a name.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 14:08 Mon 14 Sep 2015

Have you other examples of the same hand which would show how a terminal 'd' is written?
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Post by djewesbury » 14:10 Mon 14 Sep 2015

Meanwhile, this.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 15:14 Mon 14 Sep 2015

William Joliffe is plausible. Thank you.
djewesbury wrote:Have you other examples of the same hand which would show how a terminal 'd' is written?
Not obviously. Nonetheless…
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 08:28 Wed 16 Sep 2015

I am still puzzling over the first name. The initial letter seems like an I but could even be a copperplate G. The second and third letters can't really be anything other than 'ss'. But the last letter could be an 'r' with a flourishing curl (as also shown in the sheet you uploaded) but there is also a dot visible so there could be an 'i' in there. I'm currently baffled.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 20:12 Thu 17 Sep 2015

Wm is a common 19th century abbreviation for William. I am certain that this is William. I am less certain but happy to accept that the surname is Jolliffe.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 20:22 Thu 17 Sep 2015

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10175&p=95112#p95112]Here[/url], a few minutes ago, AHB wrote:I am currently impaired in both my typing ability and my cogency by a bottle of Dow 1970
AHB wrote: I am certain that this is William.
Hmm?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 20:32 Thu 17 Sep 2015

DRT wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10175&p=95112#p95112]Here[/url], a few minutes ago, AHB wrote:I am currently impaired in both my typing ability and my cogency by a bottle of Dow 1970
AHB wrote: I am certain that this is William.
Hmm?
I repeat, I am certain that this is William.

Perhaps in the morning I may have a different opinion, but right now I am certain it is William.


As a separate but exceedingly important question I would like to know if is it acceptable behaviour to drink Dow 1970 on a train from an empty but not clean Starbucks espresso paper-compound cup? Or is it better to drink from the bottle? If drunk from the paper cup, how many times should I rinse the cup before I post another tasting note?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 20:34 Thu 17 Sep 2015

Drink from the bottle. At this time of night you will blend right in to the other commuters. Drinking from a Starbucks' cup will confuse them into thinking it's Friday morning!
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by Glenn E. » 20:38 Thu 17 Sep 2015

1875
April 13
Bought by J.C. ???? (surely not Issn, but that's what it looks like), Esq.
of Wm. Jolliffe "1834"
Thompson & Crofts at 95/-
cost with expenses 100/

The first initial and first letter "J.C." and "Jolliffe" are pretty clearly the same to me.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 20:45 Thu 17 Sep 2015

DRT wrote:Drink from the bottle. At this time of night you will blend right in to the other commuters. Drinking from a Starbucks' cup will confuse them into thinking it's Friday morning!
Ah. So what you are suggesting is that I should open another bottle of Dow 1970 tomorrow morning and drink it from a Starbucks espresso cup. An excellent suggestion which I will employ tomorrow. Thank you, I am glad that you are my life coach and not anyone else.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 21:08 Thu 17 Sep 2015

AHB wrote:
DRT wrote:Drink from the bottle. At this time of night you will blend right in to the other commuters. Drinking from a Starbucks' cup will confuse them into thinking it's Friday morning!
Ah. So what you are suggesting is that I should open another bottle of Dow 1970 tomorrow morning and drink it from a Starbucks espresso cup. An excellent suggestion which I will employ tomorrow. Thank you, I am glad that you are my life coach and not anyone else.
You have no idea how lucky you are. My life coach would not allow me to drink Starbucks :roll:
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 21:12 Thu 17 Sep 2015

I think what Glenn and Alex are saying is that what I posted several days ago is correct
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by AHB » 21:25 Thu 17 Sep 2015

djewesbury wrote:I think what Glenn and Alex are saying is that what I posted several days ago is correct
I agree with Daniel.

Excellent. That's another bottle of Dow 1970 to open...
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by Glenn E. » 22:41 Thu 17 Sep 2015

AHB wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I think what Glenn and Alex are saying is that what I posted several days ago is correct
I agree with Daniel.

Excellent. That's another bottle of Dow 1970 to open...
I have no Dow 1970 to open, ergo I must disagree with Daniel. That's how it work, right?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 01:00 Mon 04 Jan 2016

A vertical of Thompson & Croft, the goodies being bought by Messrs Stanley & somebody. During lunch, with the decanter, in the Partners’ Dining Room — but who was it?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 01:06 Mon 04 Jan 2016

_ri_um
The first letter could be G. I'm stumped for now.
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by LGTrotter » 01:07 Mon 04 Jan 2016

Inept Stanley and friends.

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Post by djewesbury » 01:08 Mon 04 Jan 2016

What's the date on the invoice, and where?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by jdaw1 » 01:15 Mon 04 Jan 2016

djewesbury wrote:What's the date on the invoice, and where?
Written in the Corney & Barrow order book on 24 March 1891.
LGTrotter wrote:Inept Stanley and friends.
Methinks a mangled “Messrs”. The superscript is quite usual.

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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by djewesbury » 01:35 Mon 04 Jan 2016

The second letter is an 'r'. There is a dotted 'i' either third or fourth. The last letter is an 'm'. In between could be a 'u' or an 'n'. But beyond that I have no idea and I can't work out the initial letter. C? I?
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Re: Handwriting questions

Post by DRT » 01:41 Mon 04 Jan 2016

The first two letters could be "Fr".
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