Fair price for 1933 niepoort?

[Chris Doty]

Hard to see the fill level, but the wax capsule appears to have held up. Label is slightly distressed but no sign of seepage I can tell

What do you think is an acceptable price?

Tia

[g-man]

what i want to pay? or fair value

I'd want to pay 300-350$

fair value is probably 450-500$

[DRT]

Vintage or Colheita?

[Chris Doty]

Vintage or Colheita?

Vintage

what i want to pay? or fair value

I'd want to pay 300-350$

fair value is probably 450-500$

Yeah, I'm thinking about the same. Had it been $400 I would have just sucked it up. It is $575 so I am stalling. Truth is, my palate for port demands at least some primary fruit, so wines of this age have historically been a bit less up my street. They're hugely engaging and I love them, don't get me wrong, but $575 is a lot to pay for any bottle, but especially so when you are doubtful it will be 'delicious.' This by the way is separate from any TCA/VA/cooked/etc potentiality

On the other hand, I don't imagine there are more than a dozen or so of these in America (and not much more anywhere else), and this is comfortably less expensive than lots and lots of uneventful trophy bordeaux (e.g., 2007 Lafite, of which there are tens of thousands of bottles, to name one of the easier to spot)

He had a 1940 Niepoort as well, at $450, but apparently that bottle had an unfortunate mishap.

I suspect I will organize a little 'chop' with other curious souls and BYO this motha---


Want a piece?

[g-man]

Want a piece?

does the proverbial bear do something in the woods?

[RonnieRoots]

As old Niepoorts are so incredibly rare, there isn't a true market value to them. They basically go for what is asked. As such, I don't think $ 575 is a ridiculous price.

[Glenn E.]

Ya know, if you carefully re-arrange the letters and make a couple of strategic substitutions, you could slip a 1933 Niepoort into a Fonseca vertical on March 8th in NYC and no one would notice. Or if they did, I'm sure no one would complain.

Just sayin'.

[PhilW]

if you carefully re-arrange the letters and make a couple of strategic substitutions, you could [turn] Niepoort into ... Fonseca

lol - On that basis I'm not even going to attempt to solve any anagrams you create... unless I'm being offered Niepoort 1933 to do so, which would be an entirely different matter!

[DRT]

Another way to look at this is that buying this bottle for a seemingly high price is a guaranteed ticket to almost any tasting you can imagine.

Go for it.

[Axel P]

Cant be Vintage - NIepoort didnt produce neither Vintage nor Colheita in 33. Garrafeira or I missed something out?

Axel

[DRT]

The following posts were lost as a result of having to restore a backup that pre-dated them:

Cant be Vintage - NIepoort didnt produce neither Vintage nor Colheita in 33. Garrafeira or I missed something out?

Axel

Well, this is an interesting question. "Vintage" "Colheita" and "Garrafeira" do not appear on the label. The bottling date however, is three years after the harvest date (1936 vs 1933). Does this imply Garrafeira?

Cant be Vintage - NIepoort didnt produce neither Vintage nor Colheita in 33. Garrafeira or I missed something out?

Axel

Well, this is an interesting question. "Vintage" "Colheita" and "Garrafeira" do not appear on the label. The bottling date however, is three years after the harvest date (1936 vs 1933). Does this imply Garrafeira?

i think so - there's definitely reference online to the 33 garrafeira being "bottled" in 33 and "decanted" in 66 (or at least one bottling of it being decanted then...)

[DRT]

Braodbent claims to have tasted the 1936 bottling in 1988.

This is Vintage Port - go get 'em Cowboy!!

[RAYC]

Cant be Vintage - NIepoort didnt produce neither Vintage nor Colheita in 33. Garrafeira or I missed something out?

Axel

Well, this is an interesting question. "Vintage" "Colheita" and "Garrafeira" do not appear on the label. The bottling date however, is three years after the harvest date (1936 vs 1933). Does this imply Garrafeira?

i think so - there's definitely reference online to the 33 garrafeira being "bottled" in 33 and "decanted" in 66 (or at least one bottling of it being decanted then...)

Sorry - should have written that 33 garrafeira was "bottled" in 36 and "decanted" in 66

[DRT]

Ah. I forgot about the terminology surrounding Garrafeira.

Do you have a picture of the label/capsule?

[PhilW]

I have only one image of a Niepoort '33 in the VPID though it is only low resolution, so I cannot make out all of the label wording:

Does this by any chance match your bottle?
If you are able to post a higher resolution image of the label, please may I include it into the VPID?

[Chris Doty]

Thanks Phil.

I do have two high resolution photos of the bottle, which in general seem similar to the one you have posted, but I have failed to reduce their size to accommodate the threshold set by TPF.

If you pm me your email address, I'd be happy to send them along.

In discussions with Axel, we now feel what I have purchased is a Garrafeira

[jdaw1]

Before the technical problem necessitating a restore of from a recent backup…

Michael Broadbent claims to have tasted a Niepoort 1933 bottled in Oporto in 1936. His tasting note is from 1988.

Buy it. Buy it now!!!

[Axel P]

I guess all english based persons might be able to confuse this, event if they have a reputation. Again: Niepoort did not produce a Vintage nor a Colheita in 33. The bottle confirms, it is a Garrafeira.

Three years ago I wrote an article in a german wine journal about Niepoort, which can be found here and might answer some questions. NIepoort translated this from the former German original:

http://www.niepoort-vinhos.com/en/press ... rts.en.pdf

Garrafeiras show two dates on the lables. Firstly when they are put from the cask (pipa) to the demijohn, and then, when they are put from the Demijohn to the bottle.

Axel

[marc j.]

The 1933 Niepoort would be a Garrafeira. I have a bottle of the 1931 Niepoort Garrafeira which has the identical label and verbiage as the 1933.

[RAYC]

I guess all english based persons might be able to confuse this, event if they have a reputation. Again: Niepoort did not produce a Vintage nor a Colheita in 33. The bottle confirms, it is a Garrafeira.

Did you miss the posts above yours, where this had already been acknowledged by english based persons?!

But also, the fact that you are so definitive that nothing other than a Garrafeira was produced in 33 suprises me. Do you not remember the Niepoort 1956 "experimental" that Dirk was able to find....? How are you so certain that there are no odd bottlings, private bottlings etc. from 1933 lying around?

[Axel P]

I simply asked Dirk, because I get confused as well with this.

Axel

[Glenn E.]

I simply asked Dirk, because I get confused as well with this.

As does Dirk, on occasion. I once asked during which years did they make Garrafeira, and he forgot to list 1964 - his own birth year (and mine, and the bottle that provoked the question in the first place).

[MacAllan]

Hi You portlovers! Just visited a good friend. I took a picture of this Niepoort Garrafeira. But in stead of showing the Year of decanting 1966, the bottle just have /////, have You ever seen that before?

We didnt open the Garrafeira. This time we had a Cockburns 1963, and a Ferreira 1977. Did I say a good friend?

[LGTrotter]

Did I say a good friend?

I think they should be promoted to a 'very good' friend.

[uncle tom]

have You ever seen that before

Yes - my one and only bottle of this also lacks the second date