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Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 20:24 Mon 18 Jan 2021
by jdaw1
Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021OPO - OPORTUNIDADE
On 04 Jan 2016 (
review,
placemats) “Ud” was used for
Unidade. It seems much more sensible to emphasise the part of the name that isn’t “Porto”.
Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021ChR - Churchill Quinta do Rio
Works for me.
Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021Db - Douro Boys
The ‘B’ has to be a capital, which would clash with Dow Bomfim. So I’d prefer “DBy” or “DrB”.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:35 Mon 18 Jan 2021
by flash_uk
jdaw1 wrote: ↑20:24 Mon 18 Jan 2021
Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021Db - Douro Boys
The ‘B’ has to be a capital, which would clash with Dow Bomfim. So I’d prefer “DBy” or “DrB”.
What about DoB? DBy makes me initially think Dow <something>. I know that doesn’t automatically follow...we have DG for Duff Gordon, but DoB avoids any question? As does DrB or course...
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 23:42 Mon 18 Jan 2021
by jdaw1
flash_uk wrote: ↑22:35 Mon 18 Jan 2021What about DoB? DBy makes me initially think Dow <something>. I know that doesn’t automatically follow...we have DG for Duff Gordon, but DoB avoids any question? As does DrB or course...
No objection to DoB from me. I say neither worse nor better than DrB. Others?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 08:55 Tue 19 Jan 2021
by PhilW
Prefer DrB for clearer differentiation from Dow Bonfim.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 17:23 Tue 19 Jan 2021
by Glenn E.
I slightly prefer "DoB" aesthetically, but am convinced by Phil's argument for differentiation from Dow Bomfim. So I vote "DrB" also.
("Douro" is pronounced closer to Dur-Oh than to Do-Row, so the 'r' does not seem significant to me to the pronunciation.)
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 17:49 Tue 19 Jan 2021
by Doggett
DuB ?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 19:34 Tue 19 Jan 2021
by jdaw1
Glenn E. wrote: ↑17:23 Tue 19 Jan 2021I slightly prefer "DoB" aesthetically, but am convinced by Phil's argument for differentiation from Dow Bomfim. So I vote "DrB" also.
Ditto. Which is a majority.
It seems that the majority prefer:
Ud =
O-Port-Unidade = O-Pᴏʀᴛ-Uɴɪᴅᴀᴅᴇ
ChR =
Churchill Quinta do Rio
DrB =
Douro Boys
Axel,
Mike, and
Simon have been PM’d asking for non-disagreement.
¿OOI, where is Churchill’s Quinta do Rio?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 19:38 Tue 19 Jan 2021
by Doggett
Non-disagreement compliance assured. Always good to look at all the options though.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:06 Tue 19 Jan 2021
by flash_uk
All OK by me
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:34 Sun 19 Dec 2021
by PhilW
With hindsight, this thread should imo be named "Port brand abbreviations" rather than port houses (or shippers), since it includes both BOBs (Buyer's own brands) and sub-brands (e.g. FG, Silval and others). Subject to agreement (or no objection) I plan to change the thread title.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 00:34 Mon 20 Dec 2021
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote: ↑22:34 Sun 19 Dec 2021With hindsight, this thread should imo be named "Port brand abbreviations" rather than port houses (or shippers), since it includes both BOBs (Buyer's own brands) and sub-brands (e.g. FG, Silval and others). Subject to agreement (or no objection) I plan to change the thread title.
I agree.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 18:13 Tue 21 Dec 2021
by PhilW
Changed.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:24 Tue 21 Dec 2021
by nac
nac wrote: ↑13:58 Fri 07 Feb 2020
Unless I can't see it, the list of abbreviations seems to be missing Churchill's Fojo?
Since it exists -
viewtopic.php?p=102031 - should it be ChF?
This still seems to be missing from the list. Suspect we’re unlikely to find any more, but think it should be in for completeness.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 23:30 Tue 21 Dec 2021
by jdaw1
nac wrote: ↑22:24 Tue 21 Dec 2021nac wrote: ↑13:58 Fri 07 Feb 2020Unless I can't see it, the list of abbreviations seems to be missing Churchill's Fojo?
Since it exists -
viewtopic.php?p=102031 - should it be ChF?
This still seems to be missing from the list. Suspect we’re unlikely to find any more, but think it should be in for completeness.
Added.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 01:14 Sat 26 Mar 2022
by jdaw1
Quinta da Côrte, non-Delaforce? Any objection to
Ct.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 14:24 Sat 26 Mar 2022
by PhilW
Potentially fine. Some thoughts for consideration:
Separately, I use these abbreviations as part of image filing for the VPID.
The requirement there is similar - unique, clear - but with a preference for clarity/memory/understandability over brevity.
Therefore, while I use most abbreviations as-is per this list, I often use a pre-pended "q" for the quinta-branded releases.
In this case "qC" being possible; not already used, and different from any other C.
Similarly I have used qLR (or qdLR, I haven't been rigid to date since brevity less an issue for me) for Quinta de La Rosa. LR is fine currently, but there will likely be more conflict between quinta brands and other existing abbreviations, and the simple "q" prefix could be used to reduce the issue.
n.b. no actual objection to Ct per previous/current method, but seemed like a good time to raise this.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 19:43 Sat 26 Mar 2022
by jdaw1
Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a
2018. The natural abbreviation is
Pd: any objections?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:34 Sat 26 Mar 2022
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a
2018. The natural abbreviation is
Pd: any objections?
I would have expected PA.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 23:00 Sat 26 Mar 2022
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote: ↑22:34 Sat 26 Mar 2022jdaw1 wrote:Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a
2018. The natural abbreviation is
Pd: any objections?
I would have expected PA.
That’s fair. Alta is a low meaning word, but I didn’t heed that for ChAA. So we have 1½ votes for
PA, and ½ for
Pd. Others?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 22:36 Fri 01 Apr 2022
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:00 Sat 26 Mar 2022PhilW wrote: ↑22:34 Sat 26 Mar 2022jdaw1 wrote:Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a
2018. The natural abbreviation is
Pd: any objections?
I would have expected PA.
That’s fair. Alta is a low meaning word, but I didn’t heed that for ChAA. So we have 1½ votes for
PA, and ½ for
Pd. Others?
Pedro Alta, and its importer
Bancroft Wines, were at
The BFT, and were asked. They much preferred
PA over Pd. Done.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 23:22 Sun 10 Apr 2022
by jdaw1
For
the 1992 placemats Gt was used for Gilbert. Objections? And is this the same as the “Gilberts” on p538 of edition 1 of the book?
Which in turn suggests
Gb for Gilbey (pp538–9 of edition 1 of the book). Objections?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 09:01 Mon 11 Apr 2022
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:22 Sun 10 Apr 2022
For
the 1992 placemats Gt was used for Gilbert. Objections? And is this the same as the “Gilberts” on p538 of edition 1 of the book?
Which in turn suggests
Gb for Gilbey (pp538–9 of edition 1 of the book). Objections?
No objection; one question - per previous discussions, we tend not to assign an abbreviation unless there are at least ~3+ releases of VP; do these both meet that criteria?
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 12:48 Wed 11 May 2022
by jdaw1
Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑23:22 Tue 10 May 2022a bottle of Quinta de Vale da Figueira 1997
Fg? Note, ≠ FG.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 12:57 Wed 11 May 2022
by SCP
PhilW wrote: ↑09:01 Mon 11 Apr 2022No objection; one question - per previous discussions, we tend not to assign an abbreviation unless there are at least ~3+ releases of VP; do these both meet that criteria?
I recently acquired a bottle of Harvey's 1985 Vintage Port. Wine-searcher tells me that 1985 (image matches the label on my bottle), 1983 and 1954 were released. Not sure this meets the bar for inclusion as it appears to be a rarity.
Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 13:43 Wed 11 May 2022
by PhilW
SCP wrote: ↑12:57 Wed 11 May 2022
PhilW wrote: ↑09:01 Mon 11 Apr 2022No objection; one question - per previous discussions, we tend not to assign an abbreviation unless there are at least ~3+ releases of VP; do these both meet that criteria?
I recently acquired a bottle of Harvey's 1985 Vintage Port. Wine-searcher tells me that 1985 (image matches the label on my bottle), 1983 and 1954 were released. Not sure this meets the bar for inclusion as it appears to be a rarity.
I've had the Harvey 1962 a couple of times, and am aware of the 54, 58 and 85; didn't know about the '83. As you say, borderline for inclusion, though I have used the abbreviation Hv for Harvey previously; not currently on the list though I'd happy to add it - Hv?