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Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021OPO - OPORTUNIDADE

On 04 Jan 2016 (review, placemats) “Ud” was used for Unidade. It seems much more sensible to emphasise the part of the name that isn’t “Porto”.

Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021ChR - Churchill Quinta do Rio

Works for me.

Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021Db - Douro Boys

The ‘B’ has to be a capital, which would clash with Dow Bomfim. So I’d prefer “DBy” or “DrB”.

jdaw1 wrote: ↑20:24 Mon 18 Jan 2021

Axel P wrote: ↑18:59 Mon 18 Jan 2021Db - Douro Boys

The ‘B’ has to be a capital, which would clash with Dow Bomfim. So I’d prefer “DBy” or “DrB”.

What about DoB? DBy makes me initially think Dow <something>. I know that doesn’t automatically follow...we have DG for Duff Gordon, but DoB avoids any question? As does DrB or course...

flash_uk wrote: ↑22:35 Mon 18 Jan 2021What about DoB? DBy makes me initially think Dow <something>. I know that doesn’t automatically follow...we have DG for Duff Gordon, but DoB avoids any question? As does DrB or course...

No objection to DoB from me. I say neither worse nor better than DrB. Others?

Prefer DrB for clearer differentiation from Dow Bonfim.

I slightly prefer "DoB" aesthetically, but am convinced by Phil's argument for differentiation from Dow Bomfim. So I vote "DrB" also.

("Douro" is pronounced closer to Dur-Oh than to Do-Row, so the 'r' does not seem significant to me to the pronunciation.)

DuB ?

Glenn E. wrote: ↑17:23 Tue 19 Jan 2021I slightly prefer "DoB" aesthetically, but am convinced by Phil's argument for differentiation from Dow Bomfim. So I vote "DrB" also.

Ditto. Which is a majority.


It seems that the majority prefer:
Ud = O-Port-Unidade = O-Pᴏʀᴛ-Uɴɪᴅᴀᴅᴇ
ChR = Churchill Quinta do Rio
DrB = Douro Boys

Axel, Mike, and Simon have been PM’d asking for non-disagreement.

¿OOI, where is Churchill’s Quinta do Rio?

Non-disagreement compliance assured. Always good to look at all the options though.

All OK by me

With hindsight, this thread should imo be named "Port brand abbreviations" rather than port houses (or shippers), since it includes both BOBs (Buyer's own brands) and sub-brands (e.g. FG, Silval and others). Subject to agreement (or no objection) I plan to change the thread title.

PhilW wrote: ↑22:34 Sun 19 Dec 2021With hindsight, this thread should imo be named "Port brand abbreviations" rather than port houses (or shippers), since it includes both BOBs (Buyer's own brands) and sub-brands (e.g. FG, Silval and others). Subject to agreement (or no objection) I plan to change the thread title.

I agree.

Changed.

nac wrote: ↑13:58 Fri 07 Feb 2020 Unless I can't see it, the list of abbreviations seems to be missing Churchill's Fojo?

Since it exists - viewtopic.php?p=102031 - should it be ChF?

This still seems to be missing from the list. Suspect we’re unlikely to find any more, but think it should be in for completeness.

nac wrote: ↑22:24 Tue 21 Dec 2021

nac wrote: ↑13:58 Fri 07 Feb 2020Unless I can't see it, the list of abbreviations seems to be missing Churchill's Fojo?

Since it exists - viewtopic.php?p=102031 - should it be ChF?

This still seems to be missing from the list. Suspect we’re unlikely to find any more, but think it should be in for completeness.

Added.

Quinta da Côrte, non-Delaforce? Any objection to Ct.

jdaw1 wrote: ↑01:14 Sat 26 Mar 2022 Quinta da Côrte, non-Delaforce? Any objection to Ct.

Potentially fine. Some thoughts for consideration:

Separately, I use these abbreviations as part of image filing for the VPID.
The requirement there is similar - unique, clear - but with a preference for clarity/memory/understandability over brevity.
Therefore, while I use most abbreviations as-is per this list, I often use a pre-pended "q" for the quinta-branded releases.
In this case "qC" being possible; not already used, and different from any other C.
Similarly I have used qLR (or qdLR, I haven't been rigid to date since brevity less an issue for me) for Quinta de La Rosa. LR is fine currently, but there will likely be more conflict between quinta brands and other existing abbreviations, and the simple "q" prefix could be used to reduce the issue.

n.b. no actual objection to Ct per previous/current method, but seemed like a good time to raise this.

Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a 2018. The natural abbreviation is Pd: any objections?

jdaw1 wrote:Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a 2018. The natural abbreviation is Pd: any objections?

I would have expected PA.

PhilW wrote: ↑22:34 Sat 26 Mar 2022

jdaw1 wrote:Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a 2018. The natural abbreviation is Pd: any objections?

I would have expected PA.

That’s fair. Alta is a low meaning word, but I didn’t heed that for ChAA. So we have 1½ votes for PA, and ½ for Pd. Others?

jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:00 Sat 26 Mar 2022

PhilW wrote: ↑22:34 Sat 26 Mar 2022

jdaw1 wrote:Quinta da Pedra Alta declared a 2018. The natural abbreviation is Pd: any objections?

I would have expected PA.

That’s fair. Alta is a low meaning word, but I didn’t heed that for ChAA. So we have 1½ votes for PA, and ½ for Pd. Others?

Pedro Alta, and its importer Bancroft Wines, were at The BFT, and were asked. They much preferred PA over Pd. Done.

For the 1992 placemats Gt was used for Gilbert. Objections? And is this the same as the “Gilberts” on p538 of edition 1 of the book?

Which in turn suggests Gb for Gilbey (pp538–9 of edition 1 of the book). Objections?

jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:22 Sun 10 Apr 2022 For the 1992 placemats Gt was used for Gilbert. Objections? And is this the same as the “Gilberts” on p538 of edition 1 of the book?

Which in turn suggests Gb for Gilbey (pp538–9 of edition 1 of the book). Objections?

No objection; one question - per previous discussions, we tend not to assign an abbreviation unless there are at least ~3+ releases of VP; do these both meet that criteria?

Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑23:22 Tue 10 May 2022a bottle of Quinta de Vale da Figueira 1997

Fg? Note, ≠ FG.

PhilW wrote: ↑09:01 Mon 11 Apr 2022No objection; one question - per previous discussions, we tend not to assign an abbreviation unless there are at least ~3+ releases of VP; do these both meet that criteria?

I recently acquired a bottle of Harvey's 1985 Vintage Port. Wine-searcher tells me that 1985 (image matches the label on my bottle), 1983 and 1954 were released. Not sure this meets the bar for inclusion as it appears to be a rarity.

SCP wrote: ↑12:57 Wed 11 May 2022

PhilW wrote: ↑09:01 Mon 11 Apr 2022No objection; one question - per previous discussions, we tend not to assign an abbreviation unless there are at least ~3+ releases of VP; do these both meet that criteria?

I recently acquired a bottle of Harvey's 1985 Vintage Port. Wine-searcher tells me that 1985 (image matches the label on my bottle), 1983 and 1954 were released. Not sure this meets the bar for inclusion as it appears to be a rarity.

I've had the Harvey 1962 a couple of times, and am aware of the 54, 58 and 85; didn't know about the '83. As you say, borderline for inclusion, though I have used the abbreviation Hv for Harvey previously; not currently on the list though I'd happy to add it - Hv?