Summer offline in The Netherlands - 9 July 2010

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 12:27 Sat 03 Apr 2010

Ronnie. This sounds a great idea....Could you please count me in if there is still space. I also do not have a preference but a Fonseca Vertical is something I haven't experienced as yet.

Thank you

Cookie

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 08:03 Tue 13 Apr 2010

Our dates in Holland are now clear. We are in Utrecht from Saturday July 3 until the next Saturday, the 10th.

We don't have a preference for a specific date, but either Friday the 9th or Saturday the 10th would suit Joost very well, so let's look at those dates first. If these don't work, we can always try another.

So far, we have a potential number of attendees of 16 people. That's a bit much, both in terms of accommodation and to secure a decent taste of port for everyone. After consulting Joost, we came to an ideal number of 12. Let's see how far we get and please confim your attendance so. I will compose a waiting list once we reach a confirmed number of 12 attendees.

Definite attendees:
- LadyR
- RonnieRoots
- Joost
- Sandra
- Gerwin
- Herman

Likely / possible / definite possible:
- jdaw1
- DRT
- Axel P
- Gerwin +1
- KillerB
- Jeroen
- Thijs
- Chris Doty
- Dries
- Cookie

When? Somewhere in the week of 3-10 July 2010, preferrably 9th or 10th

Where? Joost's place in Utrecht

What? Some ideas:
- The 'Port Matrix'
- The 'F' Plan II (a Fonseca vertical)
- The Off-Years (ports from years that were not generally declared, such as 2001, 1999, 1995, 1987, 1976 etc.)
- Portuguese vs. British style vintage ports
- The knights who say NI(epoort)

Other ideas are most welcome.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 08:20 Tue 13 Apr 2010

Ronnie,

personally I would prefer the 9th and the F-Plan.

Best

Axel

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 13:08 Tue 13 Apr 2010

Axel, since you will be able to attend, I think it's only fair to skip the Niepoort option. People interested in doing a Niepoort vertical can join you in November in Germany.

I like both the F-Plan and Off-Years themes, and will go with whatever the majority decided.

LadyR (who is about to pop any minute now) has a preference for The Off-Years, her reasoning being that this theme will give us the opportunity to taste a larger variety of styles. Makes sense.

For both themes we have some nice contributions.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:40 Tue 13 Apr 2010

There’s been a lot of teasing talk about 1975: surely it is time to gather evidence rather than rely on anecdote. What about a big 1975 horizontal?

Also, my wife now has me on a non-port holiday across early July, so, alas, I’m out. Happy to make placemats though.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 17:42 Tue 13 Apr 2010

Sorry to hear you won't be there Julian. We'll save the 1975 theme for a time you will be there.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:28 Tue 13 Apr 2010

RonnieRoots wrote:We'll save the 1975 theme for a time you will be there.

That is the politest dis-invitation that I have ever received.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 10:15 Wed 14 Apr 2010

jdaw1 wrote:
RonnieRoots wrote:We'll save the 1975 theme for a time you will be there.
That is the politest dis-invitation that I have ever received.

smisse · Post by **smisse** » 21:16 Sun 18 Apr 2010

RonnieRoots wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
RonnieRoots wrote:We'll save the 1975 theme for a time you will be there.
That is the politest dis-invitation that I have ever received.

Hi Ronnie,

It's my wife's birthday that week so please put me on the reserve list since we usually invite some people on the Friday or Saturday. If there's space available and the actual date is decided, I'll try to join.

About the theme: Personally I do not have a major preference but I do believe that the Off-Years theme is the easiest for all participants with regards to the availability of bottles and it might give some nice surprises.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 11:55 Sat 15 May 2010

I've put the date on July 9th for the moment. If there are major with that please let me know.

Dries, everybody knows birthday celebrations are best done on Saturday.

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 08:29 Tue 25 May 2010

I'm afraid I will be unable to make this event, as my family is visiting London from the States that weekend.

Sounds like a lovely time. Save a drop for my spirit.

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 12:37 Wed 26 May 2010

RonnieRoots wrote:I've put the date on July 9th for the moment. If there are major with that please let me know.

Dries, everybody knows birthday celebrations are best done on Saturday.

Hi Ronnie,

I have just learned that my wife has booked a surprise-weekend away (the surprise being the actual location) for her and me from 9-11 july for our wedding anniversary

. And I am afraid that the weekend will not be in the Utrecht region.

So if the offline stays on the 9th of July, unfortunately I will not be able to join you this time

.

Gerwin

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 10:32 Fri 28 May 2010

gerwin.degraaf wrote:
RonnieRoots wrote:I've put the date on July 9th for the moment. If there are major with that please let me know.

Dries, everybody knows birthday celebrations are best done on Saturday.
Hi Ronnie,

I have just learned that my wife has booked a surprise-weekend away (the surprise being the actual location) for her and me from 9-11 july for our wedding anniversary . And I am afraid that the weekend will not be in the Utrecht region.

So if the offline stays on the 9th of July, unfortunately I will not be able to join you this time .

Gerwin

Are you available earlier in that week and would that be a problem for the others?

gerwin.degraaf · Post by **gerwin.degraaf** » 11:14 Fri 28 May 2010

RonnieRoots wrote:
gerwin.degraaf wrote:
RonnieRoots wrote:I've put the date on July 9th for the moment. If there are major with that please let me know.

Dries, everybody knows birthday celebrations are best done on Saturday.
Hi Ronnie,

I have just learned that my wife has booked a surprise-weekend away (the surprise being the actual location) for her and me from 9-11 july for our wedding anniversary . And I am afraid that the weekend will not be in the Utrecht region.

So if the offline stays on the 9th of July, unfortunately I will not be able to join you this time .

Gerwin
Are you available earlier in that week and would that be a problem for the others?

Yes, I am availble on Monday through Thursday.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 08:44 Tue 01 Jun 2010

Sorry Gerwin, but Friday is the only option for Joost, so we'll have to keep it on that date.

Theme: there seems to be a slight preference for Fonseca, and I'm happy to go for that theme. LadyR and I can easily supply the 1985 and 2003, but could also do 1977 should that be necessary. We will definitely bring one extra bottle: Fonseca Guimaraens 1976.

Joost said that he can provide 1992 and Guimaraens 1987. Both excellent choices as far as I'm concerned.

KillerB · Post by **KillerB** » 10:37 Tue 01 Jun 2010

I can bring 86, 88 and 96 Guimaraens - willing to supply two, three would just be getting heavy.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 13:05 Wed 02 Jun 2010

Great, if you take along the 86 and 88 we have a very nice comparison to make: 85 through 88.

So far we have:

Fonseca 2003 (RonnieR / LadyR)
Fonseca 1992 (Joost / Sandra)
Guimaraens 1988 (KillerB)
Guimaraens 1987 (Joost / Sandra)
Guimaraens 1986 (KillerB)
Fonseca 1985 (RonnieR / LadyR)
Guimaraens 1976 (extra bottle ”“ RonnieR / LadyR)
If someone else wants to bring 85 or 03 we can supply 1977 alternatively.

Definite attendees:
- LadyR
- RonnieRoots
- Joost
- Sandra
- Axel P
- KillerB

Likely / possible / definitely possible:
- Jeroen
- Thijs
- Dries
- Cookie
- Herman
- Chris

KillerB · Post by **KillerB** » 14:47 Wed 02 Jun 2010

1986 and 1988 have been extracted from their coffins

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 06:54 Thu 03 Jun 2010

KillerB wrote:1986 and 1988 have been extracted from their coffins

So they weren't next to the Vesuvio 1994 then?

StevieCage · Post by **StevieCage** » 16:28 Mon 07 Jun 2010

A bit late perhaps, but if it is still possible, than Petra and myself would like to attend as well! We can provide 85, 95, 96, 97, 00 and / or 03. I'll let Ronnie pick his favourites, but I do think a '77 should be included...

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 18:38 Mon 07 Jun 2010

Ronnie,

I am very sorry, but cannot be there on your July tasting as my boss arranged a flight for him and me over the weekend to work. Although I am aware that there will always be another time and another port, but I very much would have liked to meet you guys there.

So best wishes for an excellent tasting with no faulty bottles

Axel

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 10:57 Tue 08 Jun 2010

StevieCage wrote:A bit late perhaps, but if it is still possible, than Petra and myself would like to attend as well! We can provide 85, 95, 96, 97, 00 and / or 03. I'll let Ronnie pick his favourites, but I do think a '77 should be included...

Of course that is possible!

Chris (who you probably know from the Utrechtse WijnsociÃ«teit) may want to adopt a bottle of 1985. If you want, it would be great if you and Petra could contribute the 1997 and 2000. That way, we have a couple of very nice comparisons to make, being:

1976 vs 1977
1985 vs 1987
1986 vs 1988
1992 vs 1997
2000 vs 2003

Axel P wrote:Ronnie,

I am very sorry, but cannot be there on your July tasting as my boss arranged a flight for him and me over the weekend to work. Although I am aware that there will always be another time and another port, but I very much would have liked to meet you guys there.

So best wishes for an excellent tasting with no faulty bottles

Axel

I am very sorry to hear that Axel, I would have loved to have finally being able to meet eachother. Hopefully a next time.

smisse · Post by **smisse** » 09:14 Fri 11 Jun 2010

I can provide:
1983 Fonseca
1986 Guimaraens
1995 Guimaraens

Considering that the 1986 is already provided and the 1995 was recently tasted be Chris Doty and considered WAY too young (viewtopic.php?p=33854) I suggest to bring the 1983 Fonseca.

rgrds,
Dries

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 07:08 Sat 12 Jun 2010

Good to hear you'll be joining Dries. The 1983 sounds fantastic.

Definite attendees:
- LadyR
- RonnieRoots
- Joost
- Sandra
- KillerB
- Smisse
- StevieCage
- Petra
- Chris

Ports so far:

Fonseca 2003 (RonnieR / LadyR)

Fonseca 2000 (StevieC / Petra)

Fonseca 1997 (StevieC / Petra)

Fonseca 1992 (Joost / Sandra)

Guimaraens 1988 (KillerB)

Guimaraens 1987 (Joost / Sandra)

Guimaraens 1986 (KillerB)

Fonseca 1985 (likely to be adopted by Chris)

Fonseca 1983 (Smisse)

Fonseca 1977 (RonnieR / LadyR)

Guimaraens 1976 (extra bottle ”“ RonnieR / LadyR)

Joost · Post by **Joost** » 06:18 Mon 14 Jun 2010

Hi Ronald,

Jeroen will attend as well! I assume his contribution will be revealed soon...

Santé,
Joost

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 14:45 Mon 14 Jun 2010

Joost wrote:Hi Ronald,

Jeroen will attend as well! I assume his contribution will be revealed soon...

Santé,
Joost

Good! Please tell him we're still short of a 1948.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 10:09 Tue 15 Jun 2010

Jeroen and Thijs (both regulars on the Dutch wine board) have also confirmed their attendance. Updated list:

Definite attendees:
- LadyR
- RonnieRoots
- Joost
- Sandra
- KillerB
- Smisse
- StevieCage
- Petra
- Chris
- Jeroen
- Thijs

Ports so far:

Fonseca 2003 (RonnieR / LadyR)

Fonseca 2000 (StevieC / Petra)

Fonseca 1997 (StevieC / Petra)

Guimaraens 1995 (Thijs)

Fonseca 1992 (Joost / Sandra)

Guimaraens 1988 (KillerB)

Guimaraens 1987 (Joost / Sandra)

Guimaraens 1986 (KillerB)

Fonseca 1985 (likely to be adopted by Chris)

Fonseca 1983 (Smisse)

Fonseca 1977 (Thijs)

Guimaraens 1976 (RonnieR / LadyR)

Fonseca1970 (Jeroen)

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 16:53 Sun 20 Jun 2010

Proposed planning for the evening:

Start at 6PM with some drinks and some simple but tasty dinner. Start of tasting around 7.30-8PM.
Joost has enough glasses to supply everyone with 2 glasses, which means we can taste the port in pairs. That should give us some fun comparing vintages that are likely to be somehow alike.

If anyone needs directions to Joost's house please send him a PM.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:23 Sun 20 Jun 2010

By what names should people appear on the placemats?

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 11:26 Mon 21 Jun 2010

jdaw1 wrote:By what names should people appear on the placemats?

Thanks for making placcemats Julian. Actually, I don't know the full names of all the participants, so probably best use the handles I wrote above.

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:12 Mon 21 Jun 2010

First draft of the placemats. Comments please.

Questions:

Will you want decanter labels?
Place names (does everybody know everybody)?
Glasses could be squeezed onto two sheets if space is tight: is it?

Herman G · Post by **Herman G** » 11:07 Tue 22 Jun 2010

Very, very late, but is it still possible to attend?
I would provide the Guimaraens 1984.

Herman G

Post by **jdaw1** » 07:38 Wed 23 Jun 2010

I will not be able to change the placemats after Friday 2nd July, a week ahead of the tasting. Hence it might be better if comments, and particularly requested changes, could be received sooner rather than later.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:40 Thu 24 Jun 2010

The tasting-note sheets have column titles:

Times (meaning decanting and drinking times);
Eye;
Nose;
Mouth;
Score.

Please translate into Dutch.

Post by **DRT** » 22:38 Thu 24 Jun 2010

Google translator says that:

Time
Appearance
Smell
Taste
Points

Translates to...

Tijd
Verschijning
Geur
Smaak
Punten

These could be used in an emergency if JDAW has to depart before a Dutch speaker confirms the precise translations.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 07:59 Fri 25 Jun 2010

Herman G wrote:Very, very late, but is it still possible to attend?
I would provide the Guimaraens 1984.

Herman G

Hi Herman,

Of course that's possible! The Guimaraens 1984 is a lovely addition to the list and it will be great to see you again.

Ronald

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 08:02 Fri 25 Jun 2010

Hi Julian, I am on holiday now and have limited access to internet, but I will send Joost an email and ask him to have a look at the placemats. Derek's translations are spot on! Only possible change: instead of 'verschijning' you could also use 'kleur' (colour).

Herman G · Post by **Herman G** » 10:42 Fri 25 Jun 2010

Please Joost can you contact me on ipw@infoportwine.com ?

I was not able to send you a personal message.
Thanks in advance.

Joost · Post by **Joost** » 11:13 Sat 26 Jun 2010

Hi Julian,

The placemets tasting forms look great.

Some small comments:
- HermanG attends with a FG84
- No translation to Dutch necessary, please keep it in English!
- Can you reserve 2 places for 'Mystery Ports'

Furthermore I think everything is great!!!

Santé,
Joost

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:36 Sun 27 Jun 2010

Most recent draft of the placemats.

+α??, +β??;
+Herman, +FG84;
Stencil font just to please DRT.

Please check carefully and comment.

Questions:

Do you want decanter labels?
Place name sheets (does everybody know everybody)?

Conversation about stencil fonts was moved to here by DRT.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 13:12 Mon 28 Jun 2010

Decanter labels can be useful so yes please. I don't think seAting arrangements will be necessary.

Post by **jdaw1** » 07:23 Tue 29 Jun 2010

In a new thread entitled [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4105]Stencil Fonts[/url] DRT wrote:Split from Summer offline in The Netherlands - 9 July 2010 by DRT.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:21 Tue 29 Jun 2010

Most recent draft of the placemats.

Reverting to Times New Roman Bold, whilst Stencil is discussed elsewhere (and on typophile.com).

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 12:43 Wed 30 Jun 2010

Ronald,

would you happen to have a space for me and a friend of mine. I might be able to make it, but need to know if a participation is still possible.

Axel

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 13:52 Wed 30 Jun 2010

Axel P wrote:Ronald,

would you happen to have a space for me and a friend of mine. I might be able to make it, but need to know if a participation is still possible.

Axel

most certainly! I've sent you a PM. It seems that we are with 14 now, that's a full house.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 13:55 Wed 30 Jun 2010

Updated list:

Definite attendees:
- LadyR
- RonnieRoots
- Joost
- Sandra
- KillerB
- Smisse
- StevieCage
- Petra
- Chris
- Jeroen
- Thijs
- Herman G
- Axel
- Axel +1

Ports so far:

Fonseca 2003 (RonnieR / LadyR)
Fonseca 2000 (StevieC / Petra)
Fonseca 1997 (StevieC / Petra)
Guimaraens 1995 (Thijs)
Fonseca 1992 (Joost / Sandra)
Guimaraens 1988 (KillerB)
Guimaraens 1987 (Joost / Sandra)
Guimaraens 1986 (KillerB)
Fonseca 1985 (likely to be adopted by Chris)
Guimaraens 1984 (Herman) (edit by jdaw1)
Fonseca 1983 (Smisse)
Fonseca 1977 (Thijs)
Guimaraens 1976 (RonnieR / LadyR)
Fonseca1970 (Jeroen)

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Post by **jdaw1** » 14:41 Wed 30 Jun 2010

Axel: for the placemats, what is the name of your +1? And will your presence imply more port if so, what?

RonnieRoots: your most recent list omitted Herman’s FG84.

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:10 Wed 30 Jun 2010

Most recent draft of the placemats.

+Axel;
+Axel’s +1.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 16:23 Wed 30 Jun 2010

jdaw1 wrote:RonnieRoots: your most recent list omitted Herman’s FG84.

Yes I noticed that but somehow my iPod didn't allow me to view the bottom half of the quote. Could you edit and add? Thanks!

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:37 Wed 30 Jun 2010

Ronnie: fixed.

Most recent draft of the placemats.

Axel’s +1 given the name ‟Martin”.