15 December 2011 - The Unknown Shipper at the Bell

[Deleted_User_1]

Are people booking the same hotel as last year?

I do not know which hotel is being booked but I do know that I shall be FIRST into the taxi this year!!!

[Axel P]

I would like to rephrase the very often used sentence into: We leave no-one behind, except ex-RAF-policemen, who should know their way around anyways...

Axel

[Deleted_User_1]

I would like to rephrase the very often used sentence into: We leave no-one behind, except ex-RAF-policemen, who should know their way around anyways...

Axel

You can wriggle as much as you like but it is still no excuse...the bit.... ''we leave no-one behind''... is the clue

[Axel P]

Accepted! So this year we should leave no bottle behind, how about this?

[Alex Bridgeman]

I've just booked into the Saffron Hotel.

Nearer the time we should count the number of people who need to get back by taxi and whether that is back to the Saffron Hotel or to Newport. It could be that we end up booking two separate taxis to the two separate destinations.

Or perhaps we have Jan drive the naughty taxi, so that she can shout at and scold the people in the naughty taxi and someone nice driving the other taxi. Someone who will go back to pick up anyone left behind!

[jdaw1]

First draft of the placemats.

• Twenty-six ports between the ten attendees (is that enough?);
• Tasting-note sheets, but no glasses sheets;
• Two sets of sticky-label sheets:
  • Large bottle labels, two of each (for front and back), eight per sheet, and
  • Small glass labels, sixty-five per sheet, arranged by person for easy cutting and distribution.

Will decanter labels be needed?

Other comment welcomed.

[PhilW]

Hi - I've decided I should sign myself off for this one; as third reserve I'm very unlikely to be needed, and getting rooms at the last minute likely impossible, plus will simplify any other pre-xmas arrangements.

Phil.

[RAYC]

Another moment of panic as a date clash was threatened between this and my chance to see Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Steel Panther at Wembley Arena. Thankfully i will be able to enjoy permed mullets/lycra and unknown shipper port on consecutive evenings.

[Alex Bridgeman]

If you talk to us nicely, you can do both on both evenings.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I've just updated the list of the attendees on the first post - my guest (who is not from the industry, but is a fellow port lover and consumer who happens to live close to the Bell) has confirmed that he is free on the 15th.

To try and make the arrangements for the Xmas Offline as smooth as possible, please would people:
(a) confirm that if they are on the list as attending, then they still intend to attend
(b) if they are on the list as attending and still intend to attend, whether they wish a taxi to collect them from the Bell and where they would like the taxi to take them
(c) whether they are attending or on the reserve list, if they would like a fillet steak and chips dinner, or something else

Thanks.

[benread]

I've just updated the list of the attendees on the first post - my guest (who is not from the industry, but is a fellow port lover and consumer who happens to live close to the Bell) has confirmed that he is free on the 15th.

To try and make the arrangements for the Xmas Offline as smooth as possible, please would people:
(a) confirm that if they are on the list as attending, then they still intend to attend
(b) if they are on the list as attending and still intend to attend, whether they wish a taxi to collect them from the Bell and where they would like the taxi to take them
(c) whether they are attending or on the reserve list, if they would like a fillet steak and chips dinner, or something else

Thanks.

Alex,

a) yes.
b) yes - Saffron Hotel
c) is there anything else on the menu?! I thought steak & chips was part of the deal in attending!

Thank you.

[DRT]

a) Yes
b) Yes please, to the Saffron Hotel
c) Fillet steak & chips, please

[WS1]

Hi,

a) Yes
b) Yes please, to the Saffron Hotel which I just booked
c) Fillet steak & chips, please




regards

WS1

[Axel P]

a) Yes
b) Yes please, to the Saffron Hotel which I just booked
c) Fillet steak & chips, please

Thanks for organising

Axel

[PhilW]

(c) whether they are attending or on the reserve list, if they would like a fillet steak and chips dinner, or something else.

Am on the reserve list (though did post to sign off it). If by some miracle (a) enough people dropped out, (b) I was able to make the date and (c) able to book a room somewhere, then fillet steak and chips would do nicely.

[RAYC]

To try and make the arrangements for the Xmas Offline as smooth as possible, please would people:
(a) confirm that if they are on the list as attending, then they still intend to attend
(b) if they are on the list as attending and still intend to attend, whether they wish a taxi to collect them from the Bell and where they would like the taxi to take them
(c) whether they are attending or on the reserve list, if they would like a fillet steak and chips dinner, or something else

(a) Yes
(b) Yes - Saffron Hotel (twin room booked some time ago, initially so that the spare bid would give some flexibility to Jacob if he moved to the main list but would be equally available to others on the reserve list or - if all confirm - on the main list )
(c) fillet? Since you're offering us a choice, what about a porterhouse?!

[RAYC]

First draft of the placemats.

Many thanks - i can volunteer printing services. And have bucket loads of the small sticky-label sheets, which have not been used since the tasting last year!

Twenty-six ports between the ten attendees (is that enough?);

Too many? I am bringing an unknown and a peculiar on the basis that neither may be drinkable, but i would have thought max 20 overall?

Two sets of sticky-label sheets:
Large bottle labels, two of each (for front and back), eight per sheet, and

Last year Tom provided decanters with 10 decanter neck tags numbered 1-10 (or thereabouts). If the same is to be done this year, we might only need sticky labels for ports 11 onward. Are two labels per bottle desireable?

Other comment welcomed.

WOTN currenlty split over two pages - is this felt to be easier to use?
Should there be categories? (best peculiar, best unknown)
Should the numbering on the small glass labels be restricted to the shaded background number only, allowing us to write clearly the identity of the port onto the label after the big reveal?
Despite being the cork display's biggest fan, i do wonder whether it will work in this type of set-up (though happy to keep and try to make work!)
Can we have small christmas trees or holly bushels in the corners of or background to the sticky labels? Or at least a star of Bethlehem...(butchered from the star quality tasting know-how)?!

[jdaw1]

Twenty-six ports between the ten attendees (is that enough?);

Too many? I am bringing an unknown and a peculiar on the basis that neither may be drinkable, but i would have thought max 20 overall?

DRT to adjudicate.

Two sets of sticky-label sheets:
Large bottle labels, two of each (for front and back), eight per sheet, and

Last year Tom provided decanters with 10 decanter neck tags numbered 1-10 (or thereabouts). If the same is to be done this year, we might only need sticky labels for ports 11 onward. Are two labels per bottle desireable?

One back and one front helps. Rather than hollering ‟where is n?”, one has a greater chance of seeing it and gently asking somebody nearby.

WOTN currenlty split over two pages - is this felt to be easier to use?

I guessed so. If you disagree, easily changed.

Should there be categories? (best peculiar, best unknown)

Instruct.

Should the numbering on the small glass labels be restricted to the shaded background number only, allowing us to write clearly the identity of the port onto the label after the big reveal?

Can we have small christmas trees or holly bushels in the corners of or background to the sticky labels? Or at least a star of Bethlehem...(butchered from the star quality tasting know-how)?!

You want to remove content to add writing space, and then to replace the writing space with clutter. Anyway, writing on the foot of the glass will probably be too fiddly. (And what does a ‟star of Bethlehem” look like?)

Despite being the cork display's biggest fan, i do wonder whether it will work in this type of set-up (though happy to keep and try to make work!)

Probably not. Failing contrary instruction, it will be removed.

[RAYC]

Should the numbering on the small glass labels be restricted to the shaded background number only, allowing us to write clearly the identity of the port onto the label after the big reveal?

Can we have small christmas trees or holly bushels in the corners of or background to the sticky labels? Or at least a star of Bethlehem...(butchered from the star quality tasting know-how)?!

You want to remove content to add writing space, and then to replace the writing space with clutter. Anyway, writing on the foot of the glass will probably be too fiddly. (And what does a ‟star of Bethlehem” look like?)

The first suggestion was a genuine one - writing F66, T27 etc. on the foot of the glass was exactly what a number of us did last year to keep track of what we were writing. [EDIT: drinking, not writing! But already quoted below!]

The second suggestion was tongue in cheek. Maybe i should have added an emoticon to flag this!

Star of Bethlehem:

[jdaw1]

Should the numbering on the small glass labels be restricted to the shaded background number only, allowing us to write clearly the identity of the port onto the label after the big reveal?

writing F66, T27 etc. on the foot of the glass was exactly what a number of us did last year to keep track of what we were writing.

Not sure that I like entirely removing the words, but something can be done.

[jdaw1]

As changes need to be made, please could there be an updated list of participants.

[DRT]

Twenty-six ports between the ten attendees (is that enough?);

Too many? I am bringing an unknown and a peculiar on the basis that neither may be drinkable, but i would have thought max 20 overall?

DRT to adjudicate.

As this is a "drinking" rather than a "tasting" I tend to agree with Rob that 20 might be considered to be enough. However, as always, the team will do there duty regardless of how many bottles turn up on the night.

Just to be clear in case we have any Xmas Bash virgins this year, the entry fee is 1 bottle of unknown or unusual Port (which doesn't necessarily have to be Port). If we get thirsty we can take the long walk to the bar, which is approximately 3 yards from the table.

[WS1]

Hi,

Axel and my bts are already with Tom, both fit the bill and all in all should be very interesting. However since I have a dentist appointment the next day in Woodbridge and with Seckfords I will avoid the "walking to the bar bit" despite tempting at one stage in the evening it may be. Secondly out of my experience these " in the beginning I thought this is a good idea" actions never held the excitement the next day.

regards

WS1

[jdaw1]

the entry fee is 1 bottle of unknown or unusual Port (which doesn't necessarily have to be Port).

He might have meant ‟which doesn't necessarily have to be Vintage”, but one can’t be sure with DRT.

out of my experience these " in the beginning I thought this is a good idea" actions never held the excitement the next day.

Typically on the next day one realises that the dose was too small.

[DRT]

the entry fee is 1 bottle of unknown or unusual Port (which doesn't necessarily have to be Port).

He might have meant ‟which doesn't necessarily have to be Vintage”, but one can’t be sure with DRT.

Non-vintage Port is certainly allowed and there have been many instances of such bottles appearing at The Bell. On previous occasions people have brought Madeira and bottles that were thought to be VP might have turned out to be something else. Whilst the central focus of the evening is indeed Vintage Port that is unusual or of unknown vintage or shipper, no one will be any less welcome if they decide to treat us to something else that fits with the general theme. So, if anyone turns up with an Amphora of Vino Romanica A.D. 0037 we are not going to be disappointed.

[jdaw1]

Updated draft of the placemats.

• Twenty ports, which will make fiddlier the pre-tasting cutting of the glass labels;
• ”“Cork displays;
• Vote recorders have extra questions and fewer pages;
• Retaining bottle-label sheets;
• Unhappy with suggestion to delete Overtitles still being considered;
• Please check that the list of people is correct (and who are the guests?).
  1. Tom A.
  2. THRA Guest
  3. Alex B.
  4. AHB Guest
  5. Axel P.
  6. Derek T.
  7. Ben R.
  8. Rob C.
  9. Ray C.
  10. Wolfgang S.

[jdaw1]

Updated draft of the placemats.

• Overtitles slightly shrunk.
• AHB Guest → Alex D.
• ”“THRA Guest (presumably necessitating a further decision).

[WS1]

out of my experience these " in the beginning I thought this is a good idea" actions never held the excitement the next day.

Typically on the next day one realises that the dose was too small.[/quote]

Hmmm, tried this as well and found out in these cases to develop a sort of leather alergy finding myself somehwere unexpected with my shoes on and a heavy headache

rgds

WS1

[Alex Bridgeman]

So, a summary of where we are:
Time: 7pm
When: 15th December 2011
Where: The Bell, Wenden's Ambo
What: The Unknown Shipper and His Peculiar Friends
Who:

• Tom A. - requires steak & taxi to Newport
• Alex B. - requires steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel
• Alex D. - requires steak only
• Axel P. - requires steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel
• Derek T. - requires steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel
• Ben R. - requires steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel
• Rob C. - requires steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel
• Ray C. - hasn't responded but is presumed to want steak and taxi to Newport
• Wolfgang S. - requires steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel
• Jacob H. - requires vegetarian steak & taxi to Saffron Hotel

So, the logistics work out to be:
7 people (inc. Jacob) require a taxi from the Bell to the Saffron Hotel and 2 people require a taxi to Newport.
9 people request fillet steak, 1 requests vegetarian steak

The date draws closer. I've chosen my bottle - it will be...


... an unknown!

[DRT]

Steak Discussion

Part of the fun of the annual Xmas Bash at The Bell is that it is uncomplicated for both the participants and the staff. On previous occasions we have introduced some complexity to account for Jacob's need for Vegetarian Steak but it is now being suggested that we introduce further complexity by having three types of steak. This makes life more complicated for the staff, which I am not in favour of.

Can I suggest that we stick with tradition and have one meal choice for non-Jacobs and a Vegetarian Steak for Jacob?

I am perfectly happy with either fillet or Porterhouse but would much prefer that we all have the same.

Thoughts?

[jdaw1]

Updated draft of the placemats.

• +JGH.

I am perfectly happy with either fillet or Porterhouse

Derek has told me, by telepathy, that he would also be happy with having both.

[RAYC]

(c) whether they are attending or on the reserve list, if they would like a fillet steak and chips dinner, or something else

(c) fillet? Since you're offering us a choice, what about a porterhouse?!

but it is now being suggested that we introduce further complexity by having three types of steak.

My original post was meant in jest, partly to query whether AHB did indeed intend to offer us a choice or not!

Clearly i need to be better at adding smilies to indicate when i am not making a serious suggestion, though smilies, txt spk, LOLs, ROFLs etc. are right up there in my books with scratching my fingernails down a blackboard!

So to be clear, I do not require a different steak to anyone else....

...meaning everyone should have porterhouse

[DRT]

I am perfectly happy with either fillet or Porterhouse

Derek has told me, by telepathy, that he would also be happy with having both.

I have always had doubts about telepathy, but it appears that the phenomenon is real.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Steak Discussion

Part of the fun of the annual Xmas Bash at The Bell is that it is uncomplicated for both the participants and the staff. On previous occasions we have introduced some complexity to account for Jacob's need for Vegetarian Steak but it is now being suggested that we introduce further complexity by having three types of steak. This makes life more complicated for the staff, which I am not in favour of.

Can I suggest that we stick with tradition and have one meal choice for non-Jacobs and a Vegetarian Steak for Jacob?

I am perfectly happy with either fillet or Porterhouse but would much prefer that we all have the same.

Thoughts?

Fair point, and I have overcome my need for a Porterhouse by having an 800g rib-eye this evening. Fillet for me it is. I have amended my earlier post accordingly.

My earlier post also now reflects the fact that Jacob has confirmed his attendance.

[DRT]

I have overcome my need for a Porterhouse by having an 800g rib-eye this evening. Fillet for me it is. I have amended my earlier post accordingly.

My earlier post also now reflects the fact that Jacob has confirmed his attendance.

All excellent.

[Axel P]

I am happy as long as I do get any kind of meat and a plate for my own.

Axel

[Alex Bridgeman]

Unfortunately Ray has had to drop out of the Xmas offline.

Carl - the place is yours if you say you want it within a day or two!

[RAYC]

I am happy as long as I do get any kind of meat and a plate for my own.

Axel

A brave statement....it is tempting to get the Bear Grylls box-set out for inspiration in testing the limits of your claim...!

[griff]

Unfortunately Ray has had to drop out of the Xmas offline.

Carl - the place is yours if you say you want it within a day or two!

Terribly sorry but I am teaching the next morning and I simply wont be able to turn it around Phil, your next!

cheers

Carl

[Deleted_User_1]

Unfortunately Ray has had to drop out of the Xmas offline.

Carl - the place is yours if you say you want it within a day or two!

It seems in a melancholy moment I may have given the impression of my intention to pull out of this tasting.....but after giving myself a stern talking to I shall be attending and will require Steak and the first seat in the taxi....sorry for the confusion.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Unfortunately Ray has had to drop out of the Xmas offline.

Carl - the place is yours if you say you want it within a day or two!

It seems in a melancholy moment I may have given the impression of my intention to pull out of this tasting.....but after giving myself a stern talking to I shall be attending and will require Steak and the first seat in the taxi....sorry for the confusion.

Since Carl can't make it, I'm happy to give Ray back his seat at the table - although the seat on the taxi may be more difficult...

[jdaw1]

Procedurally, Ray asked to be moved from being at the tasting to being on the waitlist. The vacant seat was offered to Carl, who refused. Then it was offered to the person at the top of the waitlist, Ray, who accepted.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Procedurally, Ray asked to be moved from being at the tasting to being on the waitlist. The vacant seat was offered to Carl, who refused. Then it was offered to the person at the top of the waitlist, Ray, who accepted.

We have a different view on the procedure that was followed and which should be followed in the future. Perhaps we should create a Vesuvio 1994 Working Group to discuss and agree Offline Arranging Protocol?

[jdaw1]

Have you a motion on the OAP to propose to the V94WG? (Though, if I were allowed a motion, it would be to rename the subject at hand the ‟Tasting Arranging Protocol”, or TAP, despite its unfortunate resemblance to a terrible airline.)

[Axel P]

Perhaps we should create a Vesuvio 1994 Working Group to discuss and agree Offline Arranging Protocol?

Could I apply for the become the treasurer for this group?

Axel

[jdaw1]

Updated draft of the placemats.

With the tasting now only a week away, please could somebody check that I have the correct people. Other checks would perhaps be less obviously important, but still advisable.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Updated draft of the placemats.

With the tasting now only a week away, please could somebody check that I have the correct people. Other checks would perhaps be less obviously important, but still advisable.

All appears to be in order.

[RAYC]

I have a good opportunity to print this Friday. Will that be too early?

[Alex Bridgeman]

I have a good opportunity to print this Friday. Will that be too early?

I expect that would work well. Make sure you print the extra person set, just in case there are last minute changes to the attendees.

[uncle tom]

I have some bottles suitable for adoption, if needed, please contact me ASAP if required, so I can get them prepared..

Tom