Wimbledon Doty: 1966 Horitzontal - Bunghole, June 27th - 7pm

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:06 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:No doubt there are others as well.

Including Constantino and Messias Quinta do CachÃ£o.

Perhaps also A. Pinto dos Santos, Barbosa, Dalva, Feuerheerd, Mackenzie, Rozès, and Tuke Holdsworth.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:14 Tue 18 Jun 2013

OK, my point was to find out whether we had any availability of interesting / minor 66s before we go to 67. What thoughts?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 14:55 Tue 18 Jun 2013

THRA has offered Rebello Valente 66 upthread. I'm not aware of any other possibilities

Within the UK but outside the cellars of those attending, Morgan, Krohn and Delaforce 66 seem to be obtainable, albeit we would not exactly be giving it a chance to shine if subjecting it to courier / postage at this late stage.

Cockburn / Sandeman 67 would be available for adoption if there were an extra person who needed something without resorting to duplication, and i suspect there's a strong chance that Martinez would be too.

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:16 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:without resorting to duplication

For ports with enough age to be at risk, I don’t mind duplication. And if both are fabulous, well, is that so terrible?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 15:51 Tue 18 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:without resorting to duplication
For ports with enough age to be at risk, I don’t mind duplication. And if both are fabulous, well, is that so terrible?

A very good point.

Post by **DRT** » 21:22 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.

I don't like the idea of introducing non-66s unless we do it properly - properly meaning eleven 66s.

Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 to make it six on each page?

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:29 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 to make it six on each page?

I wouldn’t want you to be needled by the asymmetry. Sure subject to a broader consensus.

Post by **DRT** » 21:37 Tue 18 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 {WARNING: tenuous attempt at a reasonable argument approaching} to make it six on each page?
I wouldn’t want you to be needled by the asymmetry. Sure subject to a broader consensus.

I have corrected my question in this post.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:49 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.

we currently have but one bottle per person.

DRT wrote:
Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 to make it six on each page?

In general i'm not a fan of shipping bottles within the last month to six weeks before a tasting, since i think i have found more success from my own bottles when adopting WS1's regime. My vote would therefore be for a confirmed Dow 66 before chasing down EUR200+ bottles of unknown provenance from Europe. However, i am happy to stump up if others want (subject to a minimum of a three-way split of the cost)

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:51 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Team Niepoort!!! Yeah!
(Sorry. I meant, yes. I would love this.)

Post by **DRT** » 21:55 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.

RAYC wrote:we currently have but one bottle per person.

Chris Doty wrote:CSD - Croft
AHB - Graham
JDAW - Dow?
DRT - Gould
PhilW - Warre
Danny J
RAYC* - Fonseca
WS1 - Noval

Eight people.

jdaw1 wrote:

Eleven bottles.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:56 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:In general i'm not a fan of shipping bottles within the last month to six weeks before a tasting, since i think i have found more success from my own bottles when adopting WS1's regime. My vote would therefore be for a confirmed Dow 66 before chasing down EUR200+ bottles of unknown provenance from Europe. However, i am happy to stump up if others want (subject to a minimum of a three-way split of the cost)

All seconded.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 22:01 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:
DRT wrote:Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.
RAYC wrote:we currently have but one bottle per person.
Chris Doty wrote:CSD - Croft
AHB - Graham
JDAW - Dow?
DRT - Gould
PhilW - Warre
Danny J
RAYC* - Fonseca
WS1 - Noval
Eight people.
jdaw1 wrote:
Eleven bottles.

There have been recent developments which have not been reflected in CSD's first post, but which have been in jdaw1's placemats...(clue is in the circlearrays)

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:02 Tue 18 Jun 2013

BMHR, THRA and JB are all left off the list of people (you can quickly tell this since each bottle on the placemats is shown as being brought by a different person). So, 11 people.

Post by **DRT** » 22:04 Tue 18 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:BMHR, THRA and JB are all left off the list of people (you can quickly tell this since each bottle on the placemats is shown as being brought by a different person). So, 11 people.

You can quickly tell this if you have an 11 inch MacBook Air and 30 year old eyes

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:07 Tue 18 Jun 2013

iPhone and 40 year old eyes!! And I beat Rob to it!

Post by **DRT** » 22:10 Tue 18 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:iPhone and 40 year old eyes!! And I beat Rob to it!

Wait eight years and try the same trick.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:34 Tue 18 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:And I beat Rob to it!

Rob’s post was sooner.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:40 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Oh well. See, I'm old enough that I didn't notice that.

Post by **DRT** » 22:44 Tue 18 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:And I beat Rob to it!
Rob’s post was sooner.

djewesbury wrote:Oh well. See, I'm old enough that I didn't notice that.

I'm so old I thought you were first in

Post by **PhilW** » 06:37 Wed 19 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:In general i'm not a fan of shipping bottles within the last month to six weeks before a tasting, since i think i have found more success from my own bottles when adopting WS1's regime. My vote would therefore be for a confirmed Dow 66 before chasing down EUR200+ bottles of unknown provenance from Europe. However, i am happy to stump up if others want (subject to a minimum of a three-way split of the cost)
All seconded.

thirded. or fourthed/however many.

Also, I see no problem with Cr66 x2. In fact the only possible issue I can see with Cr66 x2 is whether we have enough Cr66

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 08:58 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Hello. As you can see, I have adopted the Offley '66.

I am bringing a guest, and he would like to know what he can adopt.

So:

1. Does anyone have a another bottle to adopt? If so, for how much and which kind? (Last I checked, I think there was something for roughly 45 Quid.

2. Whoever is keeping count, please enter me in as a "+1"

Thanks.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 09:39 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Someone probably needs to do a tot up and check whether there's enough room for further people before adding more - in particular, i think it needs to be checked whether it is possible to eat dinner in the main room rather than in the private room if this is going to work.

In terms of adoption, i don't know whether jdaw1's +1 has taken the other port you refer to but there might be a Niepoort 1966 available to adopt for EUR250ish - as a combined contribution with the Offley (split between two people), that's probably top end in financial terms but not out of line with what DRT is contributing and probably a good "last minute" option.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:50 Thu 20 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:In terms of adoption, i don't know whether jdaw1's +1 has taken the other port you refer to but there might be a Niepoort 1966 available to adopt for EUR250ish - as a combined contribution with the Offley (split between two people), that's probably top end in financial terms but not out of line with what DRT is contributing and probably a good "last minute" option.

!
This would have to be ordered immediately, no? Or.. Has that already happened?

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 10:48 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Hi again. My +1 is.not.coming
I actually meant to have worded in my post above the +1 knew i was.checking first before making a commitment for him. anyway given space limitations he.wont come.
Thanks see you in a week

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 12:08 Thu 20 Jun 2013

I have spoken to the Bunghole. Unfortunately they have a function for 50-70 people in the main room, which means we will be required to eat in the private room alongside our ports.

As far as i am aware based on latest posts and PMs, we have 11 current attendees:

CSD
AHB
jdaw1
DRT
RAYC
PhilW
djewesbury
WS1
JohninNYC
THRA
benread

This seems like a tight squeeze, but not completely unmanageable.

Bunghole are also sending the menu which i will post when received: pre-ordering of main-courses would be appreciated by them.

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:14 Thu 20 Jun 2013

No starter it’s my diet day. Steak burger (rare) and chips, please.

Edit:

Davy's Bar and Grill (a.k.a. The Bunghole) wrote:- Handmade steak burger made from 100% steak aged for a minimum of 21 days, served with fries and relish.

Rare please.

Post by **PhilW** » 12:56 Thu 20 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:No starter it’s my diet day.

Is this an annual event?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 15:44 Thu 20 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:Bunghole are also sending the menu which i will post when received: pre-ordering of main-courses would be appreciated by them.

Davy's Bar and Grill (a.k.a. The Bunghole) wrote:From the Grill:
Traditionally-matured, grass-fed beef. All served with fries and a grilled tomato. All our beef is sourced and hand selected from cattle that are naturally reared on traditional farms. Our beef is then matured for a minimum of 21 days to ensure maximum tenderness and flavour.
- Sirloin steak 220g £22.75
- Bone-in rib 350g £25.50
- Chateaubriand exquisitely tender fillet head to share. 500g £59.95 serves two
- Fillet steak the classic lean steak, a milder flavour with a succulent tenderness all of its own. Aged for 21 days. 220g £24.75
- Béarnaise or peppercorn sauce £1.95
- Handmade steak burger made from 100% steak aged for a minimum of 21 days, served with fries and relish.
Tell us how you would like it cooked.

Other mains:
- Fish cakes with creamed spinach £12.50
- Bangers and mash, Cumberland sausages served with traditional mashed potatoes and onion gravy £10.95
- Calves liver and bacon with mustard onions and mash £15.25
- Megrim sole with chicory, leeks and cockles £13.50
- Aubergine and red lentil moussaka with feta, artichoke and basil vinaigrette £13.95
- Spiced crab linguine £10.75

Answers by email (not PM) or in thread please.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 16:04 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Bone in rib with béarnaise and fries please. Blue.

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:34 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Today Chris has his monthly tasting, so is unlikely to reply until tomorrow.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:31 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Updated draft of the placemats.

+Dow, courtesy of PW & RAYC.

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benread · Post by **benread** » 18:14 Thu 20 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:benread - t.b.c.

Bunghole are also sending the menu which i will post when received: pre-ordering of main-courses would be appreciated by them.

Rob,

Consider me more 'c' than 'tbc'. I have sent you an email via TPF.

Ben

Post by **jdaw1** » 18:22 Thu 20 Jun 2013

On whose good printer should the placemats be printed? There is no complex clipping, so printing should be swift.

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 21:17 Thu 20 Jun 2013

- Bone-in rib 350g please. No Bearnaise sauce.
Thanks.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:45 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Sirloin, medium rare with bearnaise sauce please

Post by **DRT** » 12:58 Fri 21 Jun 2013

Bone-in-rib (medium rare) with fries please.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 13:25 Fri 21 Jun 2013

Ni66 arrived today - nice looking bottle (bottling date is 69: 3yr post-harvest) - so time for a decision.

Probably best way to determine is for those who want to open it to state the minimum number of other people that they'd consider sharing the cost with (EUR245 for bottle + EUR 35 express shipping). Can happily be saved for another tasting if there is insufficient desire to open next week.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 13:32 Fri 21 Jun 2013

benread wrote: Consider me more 'c' than 'tbc'. I have sent you an email via TPF.

Doty is organising - i was just doing a round up!

No message received so far.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:46 Fri 21 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:Ni66 arrived today - nice looking bottle (bottling date is 69: 3yr post-harvest) - so time for a decision.

Probably best way to determine is for those who want to open it to state the minimum number of other people that they'd consider sharing the cost with (EUR245 for bottle + EUR 35 express shipping).

I'm in. I'd hope that everyone would want to contribute to such a worthy endeavour... Split that way the cost is very fair. If only some choose to chip in but everyone drinks it seems a bit unfair; likewise we could hardly limit it to those who'd paid.
Rise to the occasion,

Post by **PhilW** » 14:49 Fri 21 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:
RAYC wrote:Ni66 arrived today - nice looking bottle (bottling date is 69: 3yr post-harvest) - so time for a decision.

Probably best way to determine is for those who want to open it to state the minimum number of other people that they'd consider sharing the cost with (EUR245 for bottle + EUR 35 express shipping).
I'm in. I'd hope that everyone would want to contribute to such a worthy endeavour... Split that way the cost is very fair. If only some choose to chip in but everyone drinks it seems a bit unfair; likewise we could hardly limit it to those who'd paid.
Rise to the occasion,

I commend Rob for the purchase, but agree with Rob's previously raised concern of opening a "rare" bottle which has just potentially been through a lot due to travel and consequent likely temperature variations, and wonder if it might be able to show better if saved for a future occasion when it has had time to recover. Others with more experience may be better placed to comment on the validity or otherwise of this effect.

If we (Rob) decide to include this next week then as stated previously along with others I would be happy to contribute, whether as a "group bottle" or as costs split amongst those who offer, whoever is drinking.

Post by **PhilW** » 15:01 Fri 21 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:Ni66 arrived today - nice looking bottle (bottling date is 69: 3yr post-harvest)

Very interesting to me for birth year reasons; I've recommended a few friends to choose their "birth year" bottles based on bottling date rather than harvest where it improves the options. For 69 we seem to be limited to TV69 and D69colheita so to be able to add a (hopefully very) good 66 bottled in 69 to that list is excellent, if I can now ever find any more of it, of course! (but at least I know to watch out for it).

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 16:13 Fri 21 Jun 2013

PhilW wrote:and consequent likely temperature variations

I'd hope this was minimised. It was packed in polystyrene, and, since i was worried about the humid weather, collection was arranged to be late in the afternoon (4.30-5ish) yesterday and it was delivered to me by 10ish this morning. But it clearly will have been shaken up some during transport...

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 16:17 Fri 21 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:On whose good printer should the placemats be printed? There is no complex clipping, so printing should be swift.

I can print if needed

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 16:51 Fri 21 Jun 2013

PhilW wrote:
RAYC wrote:Ni66 arrived today - nice looking bottle (bottling date is 69: 3yr post-harvest)
Very interesting to me for birth year reasons; I've recommended a few friends to choose their "birth year" bottles based on bottling date rather than harvest where it improves the options. For 69 we seem to be limited to TV69 and D69colheita so to be able to add a (hopefully very) good 66 bottled in 69 to that list is excellent, if I can now ever find any more of it, of course! (but at least I know to watch out for it).

72 (me) is even worse.. Definitely better to go for the 70s there.

Post by **DRT** » 16:58 Fri 21 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:Probably best way to determine is for those who want to open it to state the minimum number of other people that they'd consider sharing the cost with (EUR245 for bottle + EUR 35 express shipping).

I think this should be all or nothing for the reasons that Phil has stated above. Unless everyone is happy to contribute I suggest it is left for another occasion. I'm in if everyone else is.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 17:23 Fri 21 Jun 2013

PhilW wrote:
RAYC wrote:Ni66 arrived today - nice looking bottle (bottling date is 69: 3yr post-harvest)
Very interesting to me for birth year reasons; I've recommended a few friends to choose their "birth year" bottles based on bottling date rather than harvest where it improves the options. For 69 we seem to be limited to TV69 and D69colheita so to be able to add a (hopefully very) good 66 bottled in 69 to that list is excellent, if I can now ever find any more of it, of course! (but at least I know to watch out for it).

There's a rather nice G69 colheita...plus the Prince of Wales "investiture port" is pretty good if you ever come across that.

If you were born in Oct/Nov/Dec, you can always argue that you were part of the annual grapevine cycle that contributed the 1970 vintage....

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 17:33 Fri 21 Jun 2013

nb - this organisation thread must now be a contender for worst post-to-bottle ratio on the site [well, for a London tasting at least...!

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Post by **DRT** » 17:39 Fri 21 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:nb - this organisation thread must now be a contender for worst post-to-bottle ratio on the site [well, for a London tasting at least...! ]

Not even close!

This thread has five pages so far. Looking back in this section of the forum we have three threads with seven pages, two with nine pages, two with ten pages and one with twelve pages. All are UK tastings.

Our American cousins have fewer threads, but I suspect have a higher average page count.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 18:00 Fri 21 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:nb - this organisation thread must now be a contender for worst post-to-bottle ratio on the site [well, for a London tasting at least...! ]
Not even close!

This thread has five pages so far. Looking back in this section of the forum we have three threads with seven pages, two with nine pages, two with ten pages and one with twelve pages. All are UK tastings.

Page count - yes. Page-to-bottle ratio? Not so sure! The Malvedos tasting had 10 pages but resulted in 28 bottles. The Cockburn tasting had 9 pages but resulted in 25 bottles (2.77 bottles per page). TPF offline 2 - you are correct - had 12 pages for a miserly 11 bottles and some t-shirts, but that's the only one that really jumps out at me!