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jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Having attempted to unravel the spaghetti above I think the current state of play is as follows:
  • Confirmed Line-up:
    • 2007 : Miguel Corte-Real
    • 2003 : Miguel Corte-Real
    • 2000 : Miguel Corte-Real
    • 1997 : Miguel Corte-Real
    • 1994 : Axel P.
    • 1991 : Uncle Tom
    • 1985 : Purchased with cash contributions
    • 1983 : ADV & Sean C (2 bottles)
    • 1977 : Miguel Corte-Real
    • 1975 : Simon Lisle
    • 1970 : JDAW
    • 1967 : AHB
    • 1963 : Conky
    • 1960 : DRT
    • 1955 : Uncle Tom
    • 1935 : Purchased with cash contributions
    • 1927 : Purchased with cash contributions
    • 1924 : ADV
    • 1912 : AHB
    • 1908 : Sean C.
    • 1896 : Simon Lisle
Twenty-one ports that’s a stupidly huge lineup for a single session. Surely this has to be split.
Final arrangements have not yet been discussed by the Organising Committee but it is likely that the tasting will be split across an afternoon and evening preceeded by lunch and with dinner in between flights. It is also likely that most people will spit the 1983 as it will more than likely be stinky.

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DRT wrote:It is also likely that most people will spit the 1983 as it will more than likely be stinky.

Derek
Not necessarily and hopefully not. If a good bottle, it could well be one of the stars of the tasting.

That is one heck of a line-up. If only I could be there... :(
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First draft of placemats, with seventy-two relevant pages (ignoring pages labelled ‟JDAW”, blank-name pages for substitute drinkers, and decanter labels). This will not be a small tasting.

Middle initials missing from:
DRT wrote:
    • Axel P.
    • Christopher
    • Stewart Todd
(Have I missed any guests: SL SRC AHB ADV THRA DRT ACC MC-R AP BMHR CG ST?)
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jdaw1 wrote:First draft of placemats, with seventy-two relevant pages (ignoring pages labelled ‟JDAW”, blank-name pages for substitute drinkers, and decanter labels). This will not be a small tasting.

Middle initials missing from:
DRT wrote:
    • Axel P.
    • Christopher
    • Stewart Todd
(Have I missed any guests: SL SRC AHB ADV THRA DRT ACC MC-R AP BMHR CG ST?)
Roy Hersh, Marrio Ferriera and Nicos Neocleous are all on the list of possible attendees but have yet to confirm. Please include them.
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DRT wrote:Roy Hersh, Marrio Ferriera and Nicos Neocleous are all on the list of possible attendees but have yet to confirm. Please include them.
My code, with comments in red, now says
  • /Names [
    • (ACC) (ADV) (AHB) (BMHR) (DRT) (MC-R) (RAH) (SRC) (THRA)
      (AP) (CG) (MF) (NN) (SL) (ST) % initials missing
      JDAW % present in spirit (even if not pickled)
      () % spare last-minute substitute person
    ] def
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Edit: stewarttodd’s profile page mentions the string ‟stewartltodd”, so he’s now SLT. (Aside: it’s unwise to publicise an email on a machine-readable page.)

But, to repeat an earlier comment, I really do think that you are massively underestimating the amount of table space required. TCP just won’t be large enough.
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DRT wrote:
  • Known gaps in line-up:
    • 1958 (I think?)
    • 1950
    • 1947
    • 1931 (produced but not released)
    • 1904
    • 1900
    • 1895
    • older ones* that I haven't researched
Also missing is 1980, which if I recall correctly was made but not declared nor shipped.
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jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:
  • Known gaps in line-up:
    • 1958 (I think?)
    • 1950
    • 1947
    • 1931 (produced but not released)
    • 1904
    • 1900
    • 1895
    • older ones* that I haven't researched
Also missing is 1980, which if I recall correctly was made but not declared nor shipped.
I can't find any reference to a Cockburn 1980 in any of my books. Does anyone else have a record of this?
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Sorry, my fault. I don’t remember correctly.

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Sorry, my fault. I don’t remember correctly.
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=11537#11537]Here[/url] Axel P wrote:I just found out that Cockburns has some 77 stock in their cellar
I recalled this line coming from Uncle T, and mentioning both ’77 and ’80. Memory, eh? Sorry.
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jdaw1 wrote: But, to repeat an earlier comment, I really do think that you are massively underestimating the amount of table space required. TCP just won’t be large enough.
Given that some potential attendees have not yet informed us what they will be bringing along I expect the list of wines to grow to around 24 byt the time we are ready to begin. As stated earlier today, it is likely that the tasting will be split into 2 sessions, each of which will have around 12 bottles and 15 mouths. We will have to clear away Flight 1 before setting up and commencing the tasting of Flight 2. The two tunnels in TCP plus an area dedicated to eating will be ample room to do this.

For those worried about Brother Jdaw's concern for our welfare I will share these statements with you:
Prior to The F-Plan Off-line jdaw1 wrote:Call me a big girl’s blouse if you must, but eleven bottles is too many for five people. Even assuming that the dodgy 1920 is undrinkable, ten is OTT. We should cull one or two.

Prior to The Deeper Underground Off-line jdaw1 wrote:I’m in (twice) if there’s a team consensus. But fourteen ports is more than enough to fuzz my palate I am unconvinced that it won’t be wasteful.
Followed by...
jdaw1 wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:But fourteen ports is more than enough to fuzz my palate I am unconvinced that it won’t be wasteful.
This still makes sense to me.

Nonetheless, in manifest and utter self-contradiction, I have ordered to be delivered to me in New York, as a precaution only, for insurance, just in case, the:
jdaw1 wrote:
  • 1966 Gould Campbell, $160+P&P from Aabalat
I do believe that both of these tastings were generally thought to be successful and not wastefull or excessive. I think Brother Jdaw is just a naturally cautious soul so please don't be put off by his protestations.

In any case, this is the perfect opportunity for AHB to correctly print the A3 Tasting Mats in Duplex :lol:

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Exactly, Jdaw1 is being a granny :P Don't listen to him.

The Boston offline was 13 bottles (14 if you count the fake one) and one was a magnum. There was 8 of us and we finished all but about a total of 1 bottle.

We've got roughly twice as many Ports and twice as many people....it works out fine. The only thing is the length of time we will need. But as we already talked about, we can just do lunch somewhere in there too. That way we can take our time, take a break, eat, then drink and be merry (Derek get your hand off of Tom's knee :roll: :wink: :lol: )

I say it's the perfect tasting...we do more than that a day on the Portugal trips....darn lightweights :twisted: :lol: :lol:
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It was too crowded (and too airless) for the smaller 1966

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I’m absolutely not saying it’s too much drinking. Fifteen people, twenty-two bottles: easily do-able. Granny indeed!

It is a lot of tasting, but over a whole day and evening might just about be do-able. Worthy of three sessions (not quite cricket hours: final session ends midnight). Even so, that scale of tasting really deserves two days.

My claim is that the physical space of the tunnels in The Crusting Pipe will be insufficient. It was too crowded (and too airless) for the smaller Deeper Underground 1966 horizontal. The Cockburn has more people; more bottles; over more time. Mark my words: you will wish it had been done in a room with an average ceiling height in excess of 6”².

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There is however a 66 which was not declared but produced. It should be very poop, so there is no need looking for.

As I already booked a flight I might catch an earlier. When do you guys want to start the tasting?

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Axel P wrote:There is however a 66 which was not declared but produced. It should be very poop, so there is no need looking for.
I would be willing to try it for scientific reasons only if we can find one.
Axel P wrote:As I already booked a flight I might catch an earlier. When do you guys want to start the tasting?
I want to start tomorrow, but I susspect I will have to wait until about 2:30 on 8th October.
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Axel P wrote:There is however a 66 which was not declared but produced. It should be very poop, so there is no need looking for.
Haskells had it, apparently, but are now sold out. Not sure that I believe them, but there you go.

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It now seems that I have to be in the UK on Sat 4th Oct

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It now seems that I have to be in the UK on Saturday 4th October. Any ideas what I could do in London the week after?
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jdaw1 wrote:Edit: stewarttodd’s profile page mentions the string ‟stewartltodd”, so he’s now SLT.
You are correct. Sorry I didn't reply earlier and thanks for your sleuthing!
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jdaw1 wrote:It now seems that I have to be in the UK on Saturday 4th October. Any ideas what I could do in London the week after?
Hmm, let me think.....come drink with us :?: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ADV wrote:Hmm, let me think.....come drink with us :?: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The current attendee and vintage lists are as follows:
  • Confirmed attendees:
    • ADV
      AHB
      Axel P.
      Ben Read
      Christopher
      DRT
      JDAW
      Miguel Corte-Real
      Nicos Neocleous
      Roy Hersh
      Sean C
      Simon Lisle
      Stewart Todd
      Uncle Tom
  • Confirmed vintages:
    • 1896
      1908
      1912
      1924
      1927
      1935
      1955
      1960
      1963
      1967
      1970
      1975
      1977
      1983
      1985
      1991
      1994
      1997
      2000
      2003
      2007 (cask sample)
With the cash donations that have been paid or promised we may have sufficient funds to add two more pre-1955 vintages to the line-up - if we can find them :roll:
  • Known gaps:
    • 1958 (I think?)
      1950
      1947
      1931 (produced but not released)
      1904
      1900
      1895
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That would be great to try and get that 1931. Anyone got some contacts at Cockburns to see if they would sell us a bottle.
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ADV wrote:That would be great to try and get that 1931. Anyone got some contacts at Cockburns to see if they would sell us a bottle.
Read the attendee list again :wink:
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DRT wrote:
ADV wrote:That would be great to try and get that 1931. Anyone got some contacts at Cockburns to see if they would sell us a bottle.
Read the attendee list again :wink:
Yes I know, I'm trying to be diplomatic :lol:
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ADV wrote:
DRT wrote:
ADV wrote:That would be great to try and get that 1931. Anyone got some contacts at Cockburns to see if they would sell us a bottle.
Read the attendee list again :wink:
Yes I know, I'm trying to be diplomatic :lol:
A diplomatic American - what a novel idea :lol:
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DRT wrote: A diplomatic American - what a novel idea :lol:
Don't make me come over there and invade the place...I'll drink all your Port :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Now now, Andy, you know we don't invade sovereign nations!

No, we'll just send over a few "ambassadors" in order to "assist" them in maintaining the high quality storage standards that Port demands! :wink: :lol:
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