Wednesday October 8, 2008

Post by **DRT** » 23:16 Wed 07 May 2008

Conky wrote: If it transpires it is Fonseca, wont that be an interesting comparison?

I don't think it would, really, as there wouldn't be a Cockburn from that vintage to compare it to.

If it is a Fonseca, or a Croft, or a Constantino, or a Delaforce, or a Calem, or a C da Silva or even a Noval Nacional - it will still just be the odd man out in a line-up of 28 Cockburn VPs.

Personally, I think it deserves more of a Leading or Supporting Actor role in a line-up where it fits rather than being one of the Extras

...but, as you say...

Andy decides.

Derek

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:27 Wed 07 May 2008

Derek T. wrote:Fonseca 1924 contains a lower case c

Too late to check now, but I think he said that the missing letters were all to the right of the C.

Post by **DRT** » 23:42 Wed 07 May 2008

jdaw1 wrote:
Derek T. wrote:Fonseca 1924 contains a lower case c
Too late to check now, but I think he said that the missing letters were all to the right of the C.

Is it too late to have it collected by AHB along with the stuff he is collecting for consumption or distribution on 20th May?

If not, perhaps Tom could bring along his super-bright torch to allow us to see whether or not the cork reveals anything that cannot be seen by your Father?

If nothing else it would give us all something to argue about on the night

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:50 Wed 07 May 2008

AHB collecting on Friday. Decision no later than Thursday please. That’s tomorrow.

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:52 Wed 07 May 2008

Derek T. wrote:or even a Noval Nacional

For more than one reason I am confident that it isn’t a Nacional 1924.

Post by **DRT** » 23:56 Wed 07 May 2008

jdaw1 wrote:
Derek T. wrote:or even a Noval Nacional
For more than one reason I am confident that it isn’t a Nacional 1924.

Me too - just thought I would throw it in

Post by **DRT** » 23:58 Wed 07 May 2008

jdaw1 wrote:AHB collecting on Friday. Decision no later than Thursday please. That’s tomorrow.

I would vote yes as lots of us can assess it on 20 May and whatever happens AHB and ADV will meet in October for a handover.

But it isn't up to me cos I don't own it and I'm not collecting it.

Derek

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 00:00 Thu 08 May 2008

A Nacional '24 would face a small credibility problem..

..I believe the Nacional vineyard was planted in 1925!

Tom

Post by **DRT** » 00:03 Thu 08 May 2008

uncle tom wrote:A Nacional '24 would face a small credibility problem..

..I believe the Nacional vineyard was planted in 1925!

Tom

See 3 posts up

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 14:25 Thu 08 May 2008

I am assuming and planning to collect the "believed Cockburn 1924" tomorrow.

We will inspect it closely on Tuesday 20th and will report back our findings. If it tastes particularly good, then we will send Andy his money back.

Perhaps it is "Cockburn's Crusted Port, bottled 1924"

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 15:28 Thu 08 May 2008

Just save me a 50cl of it, thats all i ask

Alex if you'll email me when you get it...thanks

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 00:25 Sun 11 May 2008

The 1924 Unknown Shipper was collected yesterday. Close inspection this morning confirms all that Julian reported. From the seal, this is clearly a 1924 vintage port. Also clearly from a shipper whose name began with the letter "C" and was fairly long. Even a charcoal rubbing of the seal remnants did not reveal any additional information. Any branding on the cork is hidden by the wax seal around the neck of the bottle. I have one or two more tricks to try that won't damage the wax, but if I had to make a guess now then I would say that despite the fact that we know Cockburn did not ship in 1924, I would otherwise believe that this could well be a Cockburn.

Alex

Post by **jdaw1** » 02:28 Sun 11 May 2008

AHB wrote:Even a charcoal rubbing of the seal remnants did not reveal any additional information.

Please, next time you do a “charcoal rubbing of the seal remnants† have the missus take a video and post on YouTube, linking from here.

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 06:35 Sun 11 May 2008

Well seems like this will be the great unknown at the day of the offline.....I can't wait.

Post by **DRT** » 22:34 Mon 09 Jun 2008

Cockburn 1927 has now been added to the line-up using funds donated by Ben and Christopher.

Thanks guys

Derek

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 04:00 Tue 10 Jun 2008

Very cool..thanks guys.

As for the mysterious Port...I think I mentioned the only other long-named "C" brand back then that I know of was Constantinos (which the grapes were from Quinta do Crasto). So I would guess it was one of the two...but we'll find out in a few months.

benread · Post by **benread** » 08:27 Tue 10 Jun 2008

Derek T. wrote:Cockburn 1927 has now been added to the line-up using funds donated by Ben and Christopher.

Thanks guys

Derek

Derek just needs to resist temptation now for the next 4 months!

Post by **DRT** » 20:21 Tue 10 Jun 2008

benread wrote:
Derek T. wrote:Cockburn 1927 has now been added to the line-up using funds donated by Ben and Christopher.

Thanks guys

Derek
Derek just needs to resist temptation now for the next 4 months!

That's why I am leaving the bottles with the wine merchant until September

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 10:08 Mon 23 Jun 2008

Alex,

could you please update the lineup and start a poll which of the missing VPs we should try to get. I would ask Miguel if he would be willing to sell us some if I know wich one to ask for.

Miguel already offered to bring the (never declared) 77, 97, 2000, 2003 and a cask sample of the 2007.

Axel

P.S.: Semifinal, ohohoh, Semifinal!

Post by **DRT** » 12:32 Mon 23 Jun 2008

Having attempted to unravel the spaghetti above I think the current state of play is as follows:

Confirmed Line-up:
- 2007 : Miguel Corte-Real
- 2003 : Miguel Corte-Real
- 2000 : Miguel Corte-Real
- 1997 : Miguel Corte-Real
- 1994 : Axel P.
- 1991 : Uncle Tom
- 1985 : Purchased with cash contributions
- 1983 : ADV & Sean C (2 bottles)
- 1977 : Miguel Corte-Real
- 1975 : Simon Lisle
- 1970 : JDAW
- 1967 : AHB
- 1963 : Conky
- 1960 : DRT
- 1955 : Uncle Tom
- 1935 : Purchased with cash contributions
- 1927 : Purchased with cash contributions
- 1924 : ADV
- 1912 : AHB
- 1908 : Sean C.
- 1896 : Simon Lisle

Cash contributions gratefully received from:
- Axel P.
- Ben Read
- Christopher
- DRT
- Stewart Todd

Known gaps in line-up:
- 1958 (I think?)
- 1950
- 1947
- 1931 (produced but not released)
- 1904
- 1900
- 1895
- older ones* that I haven't researched

Does anyone disagree?

Derek

* Apostrophe crime** corrected
** Link to Apostrophe crime inserted following PM from Apostrophe Sheriff

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 12:52 Mon 23 Jun 2008

Have you already bought the '85?

I have a few if not.

Tom

Post by **DRT** » 12:54 Mon 23 Jun 2008

uncle tom wrote:Have you already bought the '85?

I have a few if not.

Tom

AHB has one and I had planned on buying that but if you have "a few" then AHB might be happier if I have one of yours.

Can you PM a price, please?

Thanks

Derek

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:04 Mon 23 Jun 2008

DRT wrote:
uncle tom wrote:Have you already bought the '85?

I have a few if not.

Tom
AHB has one and I had planned on buying that but if you have "a few" then AHB might be happier if I have one of yours.

Can you PM a price, please?

Thanks

Derek

AHB already has the C85 that was formerly mine, in return for a Vesuvio. My understanding is that he acquired it for drinking at this tasting.

Post by **DRT** » 14:55 Mon 23 Jun 2008

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:
uncle tom wrote:Have you already bought the '85?

I have a few if not.

Tom
AHB has one and I had planned on buying that but if you have "a few" then AHB might be happier if I have one of yours.

Can you PM a price, please?

Thanks

Derek
AHB already has the C85 that was formerly mine, in return for a Vesuvio. My understanding is that he acquired it for drinking at this tasting.

Thanks for the info. I will check with AHB and report back. Either way, 1985 is confirmed in the line-up.

Derek

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:44 Mon 23 Jun 2008

DRT wrote:Having attempted to unravel the spaghetti above I think the current state of play is as follows:
Confirmed Line-up:
2007 : Miguel Corte-Real

2003 : Miguel Corte-Real

2000 : Miguel Corte-Real

1997 : Miguel Corte-Real

1994 : Axel P.

1991 : Uncle Tom

1985 : Purchased with cash contributions

1983 : ADV & Sean C (2 bottles)

1977 : Miguel Corte-Real

1975 : Simon Lisle

1970 : JDAW

1967 : AHB

1963 : Conky

1960 : DRT

1955 : Uncle Tom

1935 : Purchased with cash contributions

1927 : Purchased with cash contributions

1924 : ADV

1912 : AHB

1908 : Sean C.

1896 : Simon Lisle

Twenty-one ports — that’s a stupidly huge lineup for a single session. Surely this has to be split.

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Wednesday October 8, 2008

the missing letters were all to the right of the C.

Re: the missing letters were all to the right of the C.

AHB collecting on Friday. Decision no later than Thursday

it isn’t a Nacional 1924.

Re: it isn’t a Nacional 1924.

Re: AHB collecting on Friday. Decision no later than Thursda

“charcoal rubbing of the seal remnants†

Cockburn 1985

Re: Cockburn 1985