1977 horizontal in New York: version 2

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I doubt that I will make this tasting so do not count me in.
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i have the time available but am unfortunately still unemployeed and broke-ish. :crying:

how can i arrange this to happen for myself yet spend as little as possible?

sorry to be a cheapass. :cry:

the only 77 i have is a smith woodhouse but it looks like that's already on the table... :?
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Table for four booked at Smiths, 18:30 Thursday 28th May 2009, in my name. The lovely Jennifer took my booking she remembered my tongs. She requested a ‟confirmation call” on Wednesday or Thursday morning: +1 212 260 0100.
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SushiNorth wrote:Julian, can we count on you for glasses? Don't make placemats, I want to give it a try
I will bring an incomplete box of glasses, probably exceeding 4×7=28.

Placemats: excellent. Please show me your work a few days in advance I might have a suggestion or few.
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jdaw1 wrote: Placemats: excellent. Please show me your work a few days in advance I might have a suggestion or few.
Or just turn up with printed copies of the slightly imperfect version and enjoy JDAW's horrified expression. :lol:
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SushiNorth is an engineer who takes pride in his work. You, DRT, have used his port garotte: deliberate shoddiness is not his thing.
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jdaw1 wrote:SushiNorth is an engineer who takes pride in his work. You, DRT, have used his port garotte: deliberate shoddiness is not his thing.
I have heard rumors of DRT's labels tho =)
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g-man wrote:I have heard rumors of DRT's labels tho =)
The author of [url=http://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/placemat/placemat.html]the manual[/url] wrote:Choose a small subset of the decorative features to go in the final placemats. Too many flamboyant features looks cluttered and horrible, so be parsimonious.
That advice was aimed in a particular direction.
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By email, Doug Psaltis, head chef at [url=http://www.smithsnyc.com/]Smiths[/url], wrote:I am excited you will be joing us this thursday for a port tasting and dinner. Please let me know if there is anything that you would like me to prepare for your tasting or dinner

look forward to seeing you
1. Cool. I already like this venue even more.

2. Any special requests?
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SushiNorth: draft placemats?

All: I’m aiming to decant between 1pm an 2pm. Objections?
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jdaw1 wrote:SushiNorth: draft placemats?

All: I’m aiming to decant between 1pm an 2pm. Objections?
Sorry, was straightening some details out.

I believe the plan is:

Julian, Jeff, Stephanie, Josh

____77, Croft 77, Guedes 77

Julian: which wine should I put down from your long list? I'm going with Ferreira (which i think puts us all at about the same price point, Port-wise) on the draft placemats. I worked on them the other night, now need to see if I can actually view them!
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SushiNorth wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:SushiNorth: draft placemats?
Julian: which wine should I put down from your long list? I'm going with Ferreira (which i think puts us all at about the same price point, Port-wise) on the draft placemats. I worked on them the other night, now need to see if I can actually view them!
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All of them, of course.
  • Ferreira (JDAW);
  • Smith Woodhouse (JDAW);
  • Warre (JDAW).
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SushiNorth wrote:Draft Placemats
Well, much to say.
  1. Well done for making them. Hurray: somebody else in New York can cope.
  2. Far too little port please add W77 and SW77.
  3. How did the PDF manage to be 3.9 megabytes? Most of mine are about 200k, and even with FillTexts give change from a megabyte. (Edit: ahh, I see. Online GhostScript, which doesn’t optimally handle execforms nothing you can do about that.)
  4. ‟Smiths - NYC”: either you mean an emdash (‟ ”, /emdash), or a plain comma. But this is not the moment to reach for a mere dash. FWLIW, my preference is ‟[(Smith) /quoteright (s, 79 MacDougal Street, New York, NY 10012) <date> ]”.
  5. ‟1977 Little Vertical”: Horizontal, surely.
  6. Why did you refrain from switching on the :tpf: logo, as described in ¶4 of Making Your First Placemat: Advice for Beginners?
  7. Add to the Circlearrays the initials of the bringer of that bottle.
  8. The internationally-agreed (i.e., agreed by DRT and myself) abbreviation for Guedes is ‟Gd”, for Croft is ‟Cr”, and for Ferreira is ‟Fr”. (G = Graham; C = Cockburn; F = Fonseca.)
  9. Which makes the subtitles redundant. But nice anyway: keep them.
  10. Thoroughly commendable choice of FillTexts I might copy that splendid innovation. :-)
[Edited at 21:50.]
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jdaw1 wrote:
SushiNorth wrote:Draft Placemats
Well, much to say.
  1. Well done for making them. Hurray: somebody else in New York can cope.
  2. Far too little port please add W77 and SW77.
  3. How did the PDF manage to be 3.9 megabytes. Most of mine are about 200k, and even with FillTexts give change from a megabyte.
  4. ‟Smiths - NYC”: either you mean an emdash (‟ ”, /emdash), or a plain comma. But this is not the moment to reach for a mere dash.
  5. ‟1977 Little Vertical”: Horizontal, surely.
  6. Why did you refrain from switching on the :tpf: logo, as described in ¶4 of Making Your First Placemat: Advice for Beginners?
  7. Add to the Circlearrays the initials of the bringer of that bottle.
  8. The internationally-agreed (i.e., agreed by DRT and myself) abbreviation for Guedes is ‟Gd”, and for Ferreira is ‟Fr”.
  9. Which makes the subtitles redundant. But nice anyway: keep them.
  10. Thoroughly commendable choice of FillTexts I might copy that splendid innovation. :-)
Oh where to start. First, thanks for the guidance.
3) I have no idea. I'm using pstopdf.com, they all came out that way, using basically the out-of-the-box code.
4) Emdash was the plan, i should have --, but i think a comma is actually more appropriate. I only caught the "London" at the last moment
5) And the name of the tasting. But with 7 bottles (getting to that), we will all be laying on the floor and it will look like a vertical.
6) Ah, i should go read that more thoroughly. will get :tpf: on there
7) I was actually trying to get them in the title's fill text, but was worried it would seem gauche to have who brought what. Will get it in the circle text.
8) OK, was wondering what to use. I actually guessed at Gd and Fr, but figured it wasn't necessary with no redundancy at the table. will look at the list for SWC and W
10) btw, Gd is sadly Royal-in-disguise (or something close, oh well) and will hopefully not be as bad as their 77 Colheita. But it should be novel :)
OK, so #2. Realize that we will have far more port than can possibly be drunk. I was debating bringing the delaforce as a surprise, but this makes me think I should hold off. I may instead try to bring halves of both, and fridge the other half of each for an event i have on saturday. I will add SW and W to the placemats, but we should also make an impassioned call out for tasters (with fortitude) to adopt bottles.
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8. Smith Woodhouse = SW, not SWC.

Please let me know when version two is uploaded.

We are three males and a light female, plus help from an enthusiastic chef. Five bottles shouldn’t leave any nice wastage (i.e., if Guedes is terrible, it and only it might not be finished).
  • Cr = Croft (JHG);
  • Gd = Guedes (JES);
  • Fr = Ferreira (JDAW);
  • SW = Smith Woodhouse (JDAW);
  • W = Warre (JDAW).
That’s five. (Aside to the Brits reading this thread: I have this debate all the time. Ignore it.)
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jdaw1 wrote:8. Smith Woodhouse = SW, not SWC.

Please let me know when version two is uploaded.

We are three males and a light female, plus help from an enthusiastic chef. Five bottles shouldn’t leave any nice wastage (i.e., if Guedes is terrible, it and only it might not be finished).

(Aside to the Brits reading this thread: I have this debate all the time. Ignore it.)
Yup, we give you grief about it each time. It's perhaps an American thing :)
btw, I thought the founding year was fun, other things I considered were composite quintas (tough to determine), current holding company, and release price.
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Looking better.

• No apostrophe in Smith’s. Really?
• Warre (my preference) or Warre’s (my second choice), but not Warres.
• The same might or might not be true of Guedes.
• Croft = Cr. A plain C is Cockburn. (You took several hours between starting your previous reply and posting it, during the first few minutes of which I edited my critique.)
• Stephanie = SYG.
• I’m officially not noticing the need to kern after the Ws of Warre and Woodhouse.
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jdaw1 wrote:Looking better.

• No apostrophe in Smith’s. Really?
• Warre (my preference) or Warre’s (my second choice), but not Warres.
• The same might or might not be true of Guedes.
• Croft = Cr. A plain C is Cockburn. (You took several hours between starting your previous reply and posting it, during the first few minutes of which I edited my critique.)
• Stephanie = SYG.
• I’m officially not noticing the need to kern after the Ws of Warre and Woodhouse.
Wasn't paying much attention to the top of the notes pages. Adjusted. Yes, the post was started and one sentence typed, whereupon a guest arrived and I was otherwise engaged for 3 hrs.
Warre's, as that's what's on their bottle, but Guedes as it's a family name (and no apostrophe is on the bottle). Sadly, in doing this check it was determined the Guedes has a slow leak. It's still bottom neck, but it has been righted in preparation for thursday decanting. A Graham's below it has been cleaned.
Changes (excluding venue address) are here : placemats[/quote]
But as I suspect we may have one more round of fixes I didn't wait around for ps2pdf's slow update.
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Having abbreviations in the form Aa is inelegant; I suggest following the section marked complications in Julian's manual to raise the lower-case letter and place a dot underneath it. Or simply make the lower-case letter superscript.
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JacobH wrote:Having abbreviations in the form Aa is inelegant
Agreed. But the large number of names compels something.
JacobH wrote:I suggest following the section marked complications in Julian's manual to raise the lower-case letter and place a dot underneath it.
Yes, but some aren’t abbreviations. Consider just the r-o’s:
Ro = Rocha
Rd = Rocheda
Ra = Quinta da Romaneira
Rm = Romariz
Rr = Quinta de Roriz
Rs = Quinta de la Rosa
RsI = Quinta de la Rosa Vale do Inferno
RJ = Royal Jubilee
RO = Royal Oporto
ROC = Royal Oporto Quinta das Carvalhas

Also, consider Xf and Xy: the f and y should have the same vertical offset, and be in the same size (in case those titles are in the same row). Propose algorithm!
JacobH wrote:Or simply make the lower-case letter superscript.
Better! Though requires additional code so that the top of the superscript precisely aligns with the top of the capitals.
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SushiNorth wrote:placemats
All six megabytes are great. Please print and bring.
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And so the reason I held off...
we are now 5:
Sean (SBC) will join us
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jdaw1 wrote:Table for four booked at Smiths, 18:30 Thursday 28th May 2009, in my name. The lovely Jennifer took my booking she remembered my tongs. She requested a ‟confirmation call” on Wednesday or Thursday morning: +1 212 260 0100.
That reservation expanded to a party of five.
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Smith's of 79 MacDougal Street between West Houston and Bleeker
Thursday May 28th, 6:30PM
Confirmed attendees:
  1. Julian (JDAW
  2. Jeff (JHG)
  3. Stephanie (SYG) (jeff+1)
  4. Josh (JES)
  5. Sean (SBC)
  6. Doris (DC) (sean+1) (Confirming tonight...)
  7. Maybe: Jeff, you mentioned there might be someone else?
Purpose: a small 1977 Horizontal to assist Julian with remaining bottles and satisfy our palates.
Ports:
  • Warre 1977 (JDaw1)
  • Ferreira 1977 (JDaw1)
  • Smith Woodhouse 1977 (JDaw1)
  • Croft 1977 (g-man)
  • Guedes 1977 (SushiNorth)
  • Delaforce 1977 (SushiNorth)
Subway directions:
ABCDEFV to 4th st, walk down 6th (~2 blocks), left on bleeker, right on macdougal
1 to HoustonSt, walk east on WHouston (~2 blocks), left on macdougal
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