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Split from Graham's Malvedos Vertical - London, 22nd Mar 2010 by jdaw1.
Renamed from ‟Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley” to ‟Sandeman vertical” by jdaw1 on 14 April 2010 following Axel’s post below.

Now then, what next? Anyone for "A Complete Parallel Vertical of Ferreira v Sandeman - 1815 to 2007"?

It would be good to engage more with the Sogrape houses - Sandeman, Ferreira & Offley, as they have so little activity in the UK these days, which is a pity..

Tom

I am happy to change this since I will be sailing the regatta with George Sandeman in June. Shall we fix a date already (next year beginning of March, topic: Sandeman vertical with Georg Sandeman).

Tom, do you want to do it or shall I start the topic?

Axel

Axel,

If you want to start a thread for a Sandeman vertical in London sometime next year, that's good by me. Having George along would be highly desirable, so bounce the idea off him, and find some dates that would suit him.

Tom

Veering off topic: great idea. Please do take charge, and start a new thread mentioning that I’m in.

uncle tom wrote:

Now then, what next? Anyone for "A Complete Parallel Vertical of Ferreira v Sandeman - 1815 to 2007"?

It would be good to engage more with the Sogrape houses - Sandeman, Ferreira & Offley, as they have so little activity in the UK these days, which is a pity..

I would be keen for a Sandeman tasting, too (with the usual caveats that it is conducted in appropriate fancy dress and all wines are served out of those Wedgewood decanters...).

Perhaps someone with the suitable powers might crop this thread, starting with Tom's post, and move it to the relevant forum?

Sandeman have traditionally been frequent declarers. Perhaps as many as thirty-four declarations since the war, though it might be that not all were released: 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948(?), 1950, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1959(?), 1960, 1962, 1963, 1965(?), 1966, 1967, 1968(?), 1970, 1972(?), 1974(?), 1975, 1977, 1978(?), 1980, 1982, 1985, 1988(?), 1994, 1997, 1999(?), 2000, 2003 and 2007. There are another twenty-ish declarations from 1900 until 1944, and twenty-one from 1858 until the end of the nineteenth century.

ThePortForum tasting notes of Sandeman: 1884; 1945 (1 2); 1955; 1958; 1960 (1 2 3); 1963 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8); 1966 (1 2 3); 1967; 1970 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9); 1977 (1 2 3); 1982; 1985; 1994; 1997; 2003; 2007.

I have, and can make available, 1960, 1970, and 1977. Include me in, and, possibly, a +1.

Brilliant idea, if still possible I would like to attend. Sandemann I have are 1966, 1967, 1970 and 1980

regards

WS1

I'm in.

But my suggestion of a complete parallel vertical spanning almost two hundred years may have been slightly over-ambitious as Sandeman 1965 seems to be very hard to find.

DRT wrote:But my suggestion of a complete parallel vertical spanning almost two hundred years may have been slightly over-ambitious as Sandeman 1965 seems to be very hard to find.

Not so ambitious if restricted to years in which there were declarations by all three of Sandeman, Ferreira and Offley.

jdaw1 wrote:

DRT wrote:But my suggestion of a complete parallel vertical spanning almost two hundred years may have been slightly over-ambitious as Sandeman 1965 seems to be very hard to find.

Not so ambitious if restricted to years in which there were declarations by all three of Sandeman, Ferreira and Offley.

This compromise may have to do. Please post a list of target acquisitions.

DRT wrote:This compromise may have to do. Please post a list of target acquisitions.

A subset of 1858, 1863, 1868, 1875, 1878, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1927, 1931, 1934, 1935, 1945, 1947, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1960, 1963, 1966, 1970, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1994, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2007. Not all of these were certainly released, so we might have to settle for a strict subset.

38 x 3 seems to be on the verge of over-indulgence. Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?

DRT wrote:Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?

Thank you.

jdaw1 wrote:

DRT wrote:Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?

Thank you.

Excellent. A reasonable compromise has been reached and we are still on page 1 of the organisation thread. No doubt AHB (aka "The Completist") will try to add the 1975s back in during the final stretch

DRT wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:

DRT wrote:Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?

Thank you.

Excellent. A reasonable compromise has been reached and we are still on page 1 of the organisation thread. No doubt AHB (aka "The Completist") will try to add the 1975s back in during the final stretch

jdaw1 wrote:

DRT wrote:This compromise may have to do. Please post a list of target acquisitions.

A subset of 1858, 1863, 1868, 1875, 1878, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1927, 1931, 1934, 1935, 1945, 1947, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1960, 1963, 1966, 1970, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1994, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2007. Not all of these were certainly released, so we might have to settle for a strict subset.

Well, it is possible that we won’t get all of Ferreira, OBV and Sandeman in all of ’58, ’94 and ’31 (the other years being, of course, inevitable). In which case that thirst-avoidance ruse might have to be tolerated.

Change of mind: let’s have all non-1975 years of all three, and accept in good grace that not all years present will be present in all three shippers. Much easier.

Perhaps we should split the tasting over more than one session? Perhaps.

jdaw1 wrote:Perhaps we should split the tasting over more than one session? Perhaps.

For clarification: does a "session" = 2-3 hours; an evening; a day, or; a weekend?

jdaw1 wrote:I have, and can make available, 1960, 1970, and 1977. Include me in, and, possibly, a +1.

Me, too, please. I can offer a '63.

Would you be kind enough to include me on this one please. I imagine I will either adopt or source whatever is required nearer the time.

Acutally Tom had the initial idea, but he was happy with me trying to promote it a bit further:

Topic: Sandeman Vertical (as complete as it gets)
When: 2011, 2nd half of March
Where: London, RAF Club, 128 Picadilly

1. Sandeman VIP
2. Tom
3. Axel
4. WS1
5. Derek
7. Ben
8. Julian
9. Alex K.
10. Alex B.
11. Chris Gee
12. Richard
13. Victor
14. Jacob

Waiting list:
1. Cookie

More along.

Axel

Axel,
Look forward to this tasting. When the exact date firms up, please let me know.
Best, Victor