11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I can arrange to be available from mid-afternoon and I suspect that ADV will be in London before then. We now have a decanting team
The challenge now is for those with bottles to let us know if they can get them to the venue by 2pm on the 11th. Within reason, I am willing to be helpful with the logistics.
The challenge now is for those with bottles to let us know if they can get them to the venue by 2pm on the 11th. Within reason, I am willing to be helpful with the logistics.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Thank you.PhilW wrote:I'm happy to arrange to have the day off on the 11th, and could then be available as early in the day as would be useful to assist with decanting etc
Thank you.DRT wrote:I can arrange to be available from mid-afternoon
Most convenient for me would be to drop them at the venue the previous evening, if that is permitted.DRT wrote:The challenge now is for those with bottles to let us know if they can get them to the venue by 2pm on the 11th. Within reason, I am willing to be helpful with the logistics.
Does the presence of the decanting team mean that we are back to the current plan wrt experiment design, and hence with the placemats? (Subject to α→a, β→b, γ→c, δ→d, ε→d, ζ→f, η→g, θ→h, ι→i, κ→j, λ→k, μ→l, ν→m, ξ→n, ο→o, Ï€→p.) Please could both AHB and DRT respond to this question.
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I should be there by 1400 hrs at the latest, most likely by 1300 to help with decanting.DRT wrote:I can arrange to be available from mid-afternoon and I suspect that ADV will be in London before then. We now have a decanting team
The challenge now is for those with bottles to let us know if they can get them to the venue by 2pm on the 11th. Within reason, I am willing to be helpful with the logistics.
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Agree, it seems trying to do this blind probably won't work. Shall we keep this non-blind then?jdaw1 wrote:The evening before, or perhaps even the week before, I could deliver bottles, presumably undecanted, to a London location. However, there is much validity to DRT’s comments about a too-small too-late decanting team.DRT wrote:If we cannot (a) get the bottles to the venue at or before 2pm on the day and (b)find two or three to form a decanting team then I suggest we do not attempt to do this blind as it will be a disaster.
Presumably one orbited by a moon made of cheese.DRT wrote:non-OCD world
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
And thank you too.Andy Velebil wrote:I should be there by 1400 hrs at the latest, most likely by 1300 to help with decanting.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I just noticed this.jdaw1 wrote:Presumably one orbited by a moon made of cheese.DRT wrote:non-OCD world
Are you seriously suggesting that the moon is not made of cheese?
What next? Are you going to have us believe that cows can’t jump over it?!?!
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Didn’t you pay any attention in science classes?
The moon used to have a cheese crust. Cows jumped onto (not over) the moon, to eat that crust. Alas, in one of the earliest examples of bovine environmental damage, they ate it all. Which is why the moon is no longer made of cheese; and cows no longer waste time and energy jumping over, onto, or anywhere near the moon.
That’s proper science, that is.
The moon used to have a cheese crust. Cows jumped onto (not over) the moon, to eat that crust. Alas, in one of the earliest examples of bovine environmental damage, they ate it all. Which is why the moon is no longer made of cheese; and cows no longer waste time and energy jumping over, onto, or anywhere near the moon.
That’s proper science, that is.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Noted. All of that seems logical. But please don’t tell me Brussels Sprouts are real, I can only sleep at night because I know they are just spoken of in fairy stories.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I say yes.jdaw1 wrote:Does the presence of the decanting team mean that we are back to the current plan wrt experiment design, and hence with the placemats? (Subject to α→a, β→b, γ→c, δ→d, ε→d, ζ→f, η→g, θ→h, ι→i, κ→j, λ→k, μ→l, ν→m, ξ→n, ο→o, Ï€→p.) Please could both AHB and DRT respond to this question.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I would prefer to do the tasting with each flight being blind, and will happily and gratefully accept the help of those who are able to make it to the RAF club in time to decant. While I would prefer to have only the letters a-d used as handles to aid discussion, I can live with a-p - the price I pay for not yet having learned how to use the place mat post script.
Let's give the process a trial.
Let's give the process a trial.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Updated draft of placemats.
Blinding: The Plan
1. Four decanters are wrapped in tin foil, so that fewer of those involved in decanting see the colour, and those that do see it less clearly.
2. They are labelled with preprepared decanter labels on strings:
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(In case needed for bottles, these are also available as sticky labels.)
3. Yummy juice goes into the decanters via the usual means.
4. Alone, nobody else watching, somebody who didn’t do the decanting then shuffles the decanters, and staples over these labels four further labels:
”‚ ”‚ ”‚
5. Again alone, another somebody, different to all the previous somebodies, then re-shuffles, and staples over these four further labels:
”‚ ”‚ ”‚
6. The tin foil is removed, and prepouring done with the help of the sheets for this task, such as:
7. Likewise for the 1970s, 1966s, and 1963s.
8. The stapled decanter labels are put away for later.
9. When all are tasted, we have mis-guessed shippers and voted for WOTN, the stapled labels can be pulled apart to reveal what is what.
Blinding: The Plan
1. Four decanters are wrapped in tin foil, so that fewer of those involved in decanting see the colour, and those that do see it less clearly.
2. They are labelled with preprepared decanter labels on strings:
”‚ ”‚ ”‚
(In case needed for bottles, these are also available as sticky labels.)
3. Yummy juice goes into the decanters via the usual means.
4. Alone, nobody else watching, somebody who didn’t do the decanting then shuffles the decanters, and staples over these labels four further labels:
”‚ ”‚ ”‚
5. Again alone, another somebody, different to all the previous somebodies, then re-shuffles, and staples over these four further labels:
”‚ ”‚ ”‚
6. The tin foil is removed, and prepouring done with the help of the sheets for this task, such as:
7. Likewise for the 1970s, 1966s, and 1963s.
8. The stapled decanter labels are put away for later.
9. When all are tasted, we have mis-guessed shippers and voted for WOTN, the stapled labels can be pulled apart to reveal what is what.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Are #1 and #2 secret, or may we be told their identities?AHB wrote:Attendees - the first 14 are confirmed, the second 14 are reserves
1 Industry Guest 1
2 Industry Guest 2
3 Alex Bridgeman
4 Axel Probst
5 ** vacancy
6 ** vacancy
7 CMA Gee
8 Derek Turnbull
9 Rob Coombes
10 Julian Wiseman
11 Andy Velebil
12 Tom Archer
13 Phil W
14 Killer B
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Discussions are still ongoing, but once confirmed I will post here.jdaw1 wrote:Are #1 and #2 secret, or may we be told their identities?
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I'm delighted to announce that Cynthia Jenson - of the Graham and Malvedos blog fame - will be joining us at the Matrix Tasting on October 11th. Since agreeing to join us, Cynthia has been working hard to ferret out the stories and background to each of the Symington vintages we will be drinking. You might also be caught on camera if Cynthia decides to write up the tasting as a blog entry!
I had also hoped to be able to have a respresentative from Taylor Fladgate join us on the 11th. Sadly, it seems that even the most junior members of their marketing and PR teams and of their UK distributors are all far too busy to spend time with the end consumers of their products so, instead, we have an extra place at the table for a participating guest - if you know of anyone who would like to join us, then please say.
The first post at the top of this thread has been updated to show who will be attending. Thank you to those I have contacted and asked for payment for the prompt responses that I have received. Those of you who have not heard from me will be contacted shortly.
Decanting and pouring volunteers are Derek, Axel and Phil. Thank you gentlemen.
Next action is to book the glasses we are hiring.
Alex
I had also hoped to be able to have a respresentative from Taylor Fladgate join us on the 11th. Sadly, it seems that even the most junior members of their marketing and PR teams and of their UK distributors are all far too busy to spend time with the end consumers of their products so, instead, we have an extra place at the table for a participating guest - if you know of anyone who would like to join us, then please say.
The first post at the top of this thread has been updated to show who will be attending. Thank you to those I have contacted and asked for payment for the prompt responses that I have received. Those of you who have not heard from me will be contacted shortly.
Decanting and pouring volunteers are Derek, Axel and Phil. Thank you gentlemen.
Next action is to book the glasses we are hiring.
Alex
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Alex, thanks a lot for the organisation of all. I am sure it will be a huge tasting and I am very delighted to see Cynthia again.
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Hi
If there is still a vacancy can I please take this for a guest of mine. many thanks
If there is still a vacancy can I please take this for a guest of mine. many thanks
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
The last space at the table is yours, reserved for your guest. Please let Julian know the details he will need for the tasting mats in due course. I will update the first post on this thread tomorrow.Christopher wrote:Hi
If there is still a vacancy can I please take this for a guest of mine. many thanks
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
The first post in the thread has now been updated to reflect the fact that all 14 seats at the table have now been taken.
The menu is about to be confirmed. Following requests from the last event we held at the RAF Club, I will be selecting a non-Steak & Kidney Pudding choice.
The main menu will be:
Smoked salmon
Roast Rib of beef with Yorkshire Pudding, roast potatoes and seasonal vegetables
Chocolate Gateau
Coffee & Petit Four.
Anyone preferring the vegetarian option, please let me know as soon as possible:
MILLE FUEILLE WITH WILD MUSHROOMS in a cognac cream sauce (starter)
SPINACH & RICCOTA TORTELLINI with sherry cream sauce (main course)
I will send out emails to all in due course to confirm the final arrangements for the night.
The menu is about to be confirmed. Following requests from the last event we held at the RAF Club, I will be selecting a non-Steak & Kidney Pudding choice.
The main menu will be:
Smoked salmon
Roast Rib of beef with Yorkshire Pudding, roast potatoes and seasonal vegetables
Chocolate Gateau
Coffee & Petit Four.
Anyone preferring the vegetarian option, please let me know as soon as possible:
MILLE FUEILLE WITH WILD MUSHROOMS in a cognac cream sauce (starter)
SPINACH & RICCOTA TORTELLINI with sherry cream sauce (main course)
I will send out emails to all in due course to confirm the final arrangements for the night.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
More clues please.AHB wrote:5 Guest of Rob Coombes
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Updated draft of placemats.
- Added brand-specific external links.
- +Tom F.
- ‘Guest of Rob C.’ could perhaps be re-named.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Updated draft of placemats.
- +Nicola T., replacing ‘Guest of Rob C.’
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
What is the plan for tasting?jdaw1 wrote:My understanding is that the placemats are now complete. Please could somebody check.
Are we voting for "wine of the vintage" blind at the end of each flight and then guessing identity with an immediate reveal (this would mean we are voting for "wine of the night" un-blind at the end and so it might be preferable for the WOTN vote recorder to have F63, G63 etc. instead of the a63, b63 etc.)
Or are we voting for "wine of the vintage", "wine of the night" and recording all guesses together in one big go at the end of the night?
I have a marginal preference for the former.
Rob C.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
Updated draft of placemats.
This is a decision for the day, as our honoured guests might have an opinion. So now there are vote-recorder pages of both types.RAYC wrote:Are we voting for "wine of the vintage" blind at the end of each flight and then guessing identity with an immediate reveal (this would mean we are voting for "wine of the night" un-blind at the end and so it might be preferable for the WOTN vote recorder to have F63, G63 etc. instead of the a63, b63 etc.)
Or are we voting for "wine of the vintage", "wine of the night" and recording all guesses together in one big go at the end of the night?
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
For avoidance of doubt, I am currently tasked with printing placemats and the constructing four original decanter labels (although i am by no means possessive of this in the event that anyone else would like to instead!).
Unless anyone else had planned to, I will also bring a stapler and foil.
Any other sundries required?
Unless anyone else had planned to, I will also bring a stapler and foil.
Any other sundries required?
Rob C.
Re: 11 October 2011 - Dow, Fonseca, Graham and Taylor
I am now making the required forty-eight decanter labels. (Four?!)RAYC wrote:I am currently tasked with printing placemats and the constructing four original decanter labels