Mon 24th Sept 2012 - Fonseca vs Warres head to head

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jdaw1 wrote:My schedule on Mon 24th is now looking vulnerable I cannot be entirely confident of being early. There are tastings on Tue 4th Sept, Tue 11th Sept, and Tue 18th Sept: would it be possible to hand my W70 to somebody at one of these events?
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Hi all,

Some updates on the tasting.

1. Jancis has unfortunately cancelled due to a clash with TV commitments, so will not be attending.

2. At the tasting on Tuesday night we discussed the current numbers/cost of the tasting. With the three people
previously expected but now no longer able to attend (Jancis, Cookie, Griff's wife), we are now
11 people. Previously a 12 bottle-tasting if this was the case, which we increased to
the 14-bottle line-up (including the W60 and F60) because we had enough people.
After much discussion on Tuesday night, the general concensus was that people would still
prefer to include the 1960 vintage in the tasting, and that we should increase the tasting
cost by £10 to cover total costs, rather than pursuing those not attending for funds on this
occaision. As I am not intending to attempt to replace the industry guest, we therefore have
3 spots available - if any of these are taken then I will refund appropriately
to all attendees on the night to reflect the consequent reduced shared cost.

3. I now have everyone's food orders (thank you), so I will be pursing all participants
by email for their contribution dependent upon any port being brought, meal choices etc;
Please therefore expect an email this weekend asking for money.

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Would it be too early to stand the 85 Fonseca and the 66 Warres up? I assume I need to decant prior to the event? If so, what timings please Gentlemen?

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griff wrote:Would it be too early to stand the 85 Fonseca and the 66 Warres up? I assume I need to decant prior to the event? If so, what timings please Gentlemen?

Carl
We should be in a better position to answer the decanting question for the F85 after tomorrow's offline.

It's not too early to stand the two bottles up. The sooner the better - I'll stand mine up when I get home now you've made me think about it.

I would recommend a 4-6 hour decant for the Warre '66 - or as close as other commitments allow.
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AHB wrote:
griff wrote:Would it be too early to stand the 85 Fonseca and the 66 Warres up? I assume I need to decant prior to the event? If so, what timings please Gentlemen?

Carl
We should be in a better position to answer the decanting question for the F85 after tomorrow's offline.

It's not too early to stand the two bottles up. The sooner the better - I'll stand mine up when I get home now you've made me think about it.

I would recommend a 4-6 hour decant for the Warre '66 - or as close as other commitments allow.
Thanks for the advice. I look forward to your report on the Fonseca :)
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Twenty hours so decanted about 11pm the night before was excellent for the 1985 Fonseca.
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jdaw1 wrote:Twenty hours so decanted about 11pm the night before was excellent for the 1985 Fonseca.
Thanks. Good to hear that the strategy was successful. I shall do similar then.
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Updated placemats, potentially final version (someone please check for errors).

Food orders are all in, payments (almost) all made. For those people supplying bottles (as per first post), please pre-decant and bring as usual; I intend to be at TBH between 5:30/45 to layout placemats and start pre-pour, and we will pour each person's bottles as they arrive with them, hopefully ready for the planned start time of 6:30.

Any problems or issues please let me know; we also have available places if we have anyone else wishing to attend.

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PhilW wrote:Updated placemats, potentially final version (someone please check for errors).
  • Have you tested the margins on your printer? (Too small for mine.)
  • Do you care if ‟JDAW” is imperfectly kerned?
  • I haven’t carefully followed the planning, so ports and people not checked.
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jdaw1 wrote:[*]Do you care if ‟JDAW” is imperfectly kerned?
Although Julian has been careful to phrase this as a "question", i suspect it wasn't strictly intended as such....!
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  • Have you tested the margins on your printer? (Too small for mine.)
  • Do you care if ‟JDAW” is imperfectly kerned?
  • I haven’t carefully followed the planning, so ports and people not checked.
Thank you for checking.
Placemats now updated for kerning.
Margins fit for printing on my printer (tested) and I will print on Monday morning.
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The Warre's 1963 has been standing for two weeks. I can do one of two things tomorrow:

1. Double decant at 08:30 before I drive to London.

2. Drive to London and decant at some point in the afternoon, probably late afternoon.

Unless anyone seriously objects I plan to do 1.

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DRT wrote:The Warre's 1963 has been standing for two weeks. I can do one of two things tomorrow:

1. Double decant at 08:30 before I drive to London.

2. Drive to London and decant at some point in the afternoon, probably late afternoon.

Unless anyone seriously objects I plan to do 1.

Objections?
Sounds fine to me; I'd go with (1) myself. I plan to decant the W77 tomorrow am, and was considering decanting the W85 tonight to give it a similar decant to the F85...
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The F55 will be decanted around 6:30am tomorrow. It's likely to get shaken up too much to be easily decanted if I travel with it before decanting.
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F85 decanted: Looks in fine condition indeed.
Will decant W66 tomorrow before catching the train.
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W63 decanted and looking good.

The bottom half of the cork broke and mostly disintegrated into crumbs but the top half clearly has the word "Sworder" branded on it so it seems this is a Mayor & Sworder bottling.
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Hi,

W60 and F70 decanted in the period between 4:30AM and 5:00AM. F70 (Corney and Barrow botteling) was glorious despite I could not identify any branding on the cork. Tasted and felt though as a F70 and I got nearly sidetracked stopping drinking coffee and drink F70 instead :)
W60 a bit more closed and hot; did not jump at me as the F70 did. But with air it got sweeter and smoother and more similar to the bt I brought to an offline before (english botteling shipped to the US and then reimported). Should be good. Both bts now at work in the fridge. Remains of corks I have with me for further inspection of the team later at the tasting.

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Just opened the F63, and...

..it's a bloody forgery!

- a blatent but well crafted forgery... - embossed wax capsule covering a foil and T-stopper. The wine inside is an old ruby..

Fortunately the stash came from Christies, so I should have some redress; although it was bought a long time ago..

Will extract a bottle from a different stash and decant for tonight..
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W66 just decanted. A little spiky at the moment. Sounds like the W60 perhaps? Shall bring the corks as well.
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uncle tom wrote:Just opened the F63, and...

..it's a bloody forgery!

- a blatent but well crafted forgery... - embossed wax capsule covering a foil and T-stopper. The wine inside is an old ruby..

Fortunately the stash came from Christies, so I should have some redress; although it was bought a long time ago..

Will extract a bottle from a different stash and decant for tonight..
Oh dear! How many years ago? Didn't reaslise port was forged that blatantly. More vintage/house swapping.
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Oh dear! How many years ago? Didn't reaslise port was forged that blatantly. More vintage/house swapping.
A nine bottle stash bought in May '07.

Aside from the odd bottle that has suffered some 'strategic' label damage, this is the first conspicuous and deliberate port forgery I've come across.
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uncle tom wrote:
Oh dear! How many years ago? Didn't reaslise port was forged that blatantly. More vintage/house swapping.
A nine bottle stash bought in May '07.

Aside from the odd bottle that has suffered some 'strategic' label damage, this is the first conspicuous and deliberate port forgery I've come across.
Can you bring the forgery (and - if you still have it / don't need it for Christie's - the contents) for us to see tonight? Am intrigued!
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Genuine F63 and F60 now decanted - looking good!
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Can you bring the forgery (and - if you still have it / don't need it for Christie's - the contents) for us to see tonight? Am intrigued!
Will bring another bottle from the stash, and the opened one..
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W63 is now safely in London.

Whilst driving for four hours through the light drizzle we have been experiencing today I thought up a scoring system that we might want to try this evening.

1. The Fonseca and Warre from each vintage are tasted side by side.

2. Each person has 6 points to allocate between each vintage pair. Fractions are allowed. All 6 points must be allocated. (e.g. F60 3.5pts, W60 2.5pts, or; F60 1pt, W60 5pts, etc.)

3. Scores are noted by each person as we work through the vintages but are not collected until the end. This allows glasses to be re-visited and score adjusted before being declared.

4. After everything has been tasted the scores are collected and we decide which Shipper won the parallel vertical.

5. Separately, we vote for WOTN in the normal manner.

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