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Re: 2014 pre-Harvest Tour tasting, London, 9/23

Post by flash_uk » 23:18 Wed 10 Sep 2014

djewesbury wrote:Primark is not someone's name. The examples I used are. Smith's = the shop of Smith. Roberson's = the shop of Roberson. Used thus since time immemorial, and correctly moreover. Simples.
(And yes. Ryman's. The shop of Ryman.)

EDIT: I had a lovely pot of Earl Grey and a tarte aux framboise in Valerie's today!
Now I'm more convinced :)
But why then do we see Ryman on those shops rather than Ryman's, yet Sainsbury's above all those grocery stores?

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Re: 2014 pre-Harvest Tour tasting, London, 9/23

Post by djewesbury » 23:28 Wed 10 Sep 2014

flash_uk wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Primark is not someone's name. The examples I used are. Smith's = the shop of Smith. Roberson's = the shop of Roberson. Used thus since time immemorial, and correctly moreover. Simples.
(And yes. Ryman's. The shop of Ryman.)

EDIT: I had a lovely pot of Earl Grey and a tarte aux framboise in Valerie's today!
Now I'm more convinced :)
But why then do we see Ryman on those shops rather than Ryman's, yet Sainsbury's above all those grocery stores?
Because different companies choose to do things differently. Personal preference at a particular point in time. Some choose a more colloquial brand ("Sainsbury's" - even though, when I was a child in the 1970s, the brand in big illuminated orange letters above the shop was "J Sainsbury"), some a more perfunctory and literal one ("Ryman").
Because there is no rule stating that we all have to do things one way.
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Re: 2014 pre-Harvest Tour tasting, London, 9/23

Post by flash_uk » 23:32 Wed 10 Sep 2014

I'm off to bed!

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Re: 2014 pre-Harvest Tour tasting, London, 9/23

Post by PhilW » 08:55 Thu 11 Sep 2014

flash_uk wrote:Edit: ...perhaps an admin could kindly shift our little grammar spat into the appropriate thread, I really shouldn't have started it here :oops:
+1 for the request to splice out the above chain of posts please :)

This and some previous posts moved here from 2014 pre-Harvest Tour tasting, London, 9/23 by jdaw1.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by flash_uk » 10:00 Thu 11 Sep 2014

So perhaps the rule would appear to be something like: a possessive apostrophe after a singular name may be used in situations where the object is implicit. Even though the object may be ambiguous. In this instance, it could be "Email sent to":
Roberson's shop
Roberson's customer service department
Roberson's mother
Roberson's incompetent warehouse chap

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 17:17 Thu 11 Sep 2014

flash_uk wrote:So perhaps the rule would appear to be something like: a possessive apostrophe after a singular name may be used in situations where the object is implicit. Even though the object may be ambiguous. In this instance, it could be "Email sent to":
Roberson's shop
Roberson's customer service department
Roberson's mother
Roberson's incompetent warehouse chap
I think that the first would always be the obvious implicit meaning.

Please note that out of deference to you, I referred to your employer in earlier email with no possessive apostrophe. I thought about adding one, but I guess I'm just too good.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by flash_uk » 17:46 Thu 11 Sep 2014

djewesbury wrote: Please note that out of deference to you, I referred to your employer in earlier email with no possessive apostrophe.
Which to me looked grammatically perfect :)

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by LGTrotter » 12:15 Sun 14 Sep 2014

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:[over my head icon}
Sits back. In one corner, Derek, bemused and cowering. In the other, Owen and Daniel, daggers drawn — which poisoned? — and the show about to start. Bread and circuses.

Even the mis-matched brackets herald an unequal fight.
My poor grammar, spelling, punctuation, idiosyncratic/incomprehensible mangling of language hardly qualifies me as one to sit in judgement.

Charitably I can only suppose that Derek was trying to show the truth of 'there is no 'I' in team' by leaving out the i in waive. He did it for all of us.

And has we have seen from the exchange between Daniel and Flash these things rapidly degenerate into the kind of arguments which begin with the choice of cutlery and end in divorce. We have got to, in the words of Mr Kravitz, let love rule.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by jdaw1 » 12:24 Sun 14 Sep 2014

Sits back. In one corner, Owen, letting love rule. In the other, Derek and Daniel, daggers drawn — which poisoned? — and the show about to start. Bread and circuses.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 22:31 Sun 14 Sep 2014

DRT wrote:Anything currently made by the Symington's would do.
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Post by DRT » 22:33 Sun 14 Sep 2014

My correction was too slow. Speedy Gonzalez beat me to the draw.
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Post by djewesbury » 22:48 Sun 14 Sep 2014

DRT wrote:My correction was too slow. Speedy Gonzalez beat me to the draw.
Quickest poisoned dagger in the business.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by flash_uk » 22:59 Sun 14 Sep 2014

LGTrotter wrote:...Billy McKay was the presenters name (I think).
Oops.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by DRT » 10:13 Wed 17 Sep 2014

"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 10:20 Wed 17 Sep 2014

Not once but thrice. I was tempted to post it but thought it was too much like shooting fish in a barrel. Ben, Ben, Ben…
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 19:45 Thu 18 Sep 2014

Sorry. I left this as long as I could.
But there it still is.
Here, Jacob created a thread entitled
"Oporto and the Duoro"
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by benread » 19:47 Thu 18 Sep 2014

Guilty as charged!
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 21:56 Thu 18 Sep 2014

djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:I have not yet seen a bottle that looks like a chicken. Are we sure The claims about the entomology of the name are not just urban myth?
What on earth has this got to do with the study of insects??

Honestly, come on team, I feel like the Head Prefect here. Let's sharpen it up.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by DRT » 23:57 Thu 18 Sep 2014

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8896&start=100#p81998]Here[/url] PhilW wrote:Inspired by your zeal, I know have my bottle sitting on:
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 00:06 Fri 19 Sep 2014

DRT wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8896&start=100#p81998]Here[/url] PhilW wrote:Inspired by your zeal, I know have my bottle sitting on:
Deflecting from your own crimes?
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by DRT » 00:20 Fri 19 Sep 2014

djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8896&start=100#p81998]Here[/url] PhilW wrote:Inspired by your zeal, I know have my bottle sitting on:
Deflecting from your own crimes?
No. Just being an honest citizen and reporting crime to the authorities when I see it.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 00:21 Fri 19 Sep 2014

That's good. If everyone grasses everyone else the school will run just fine.
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Post by jdaw1 » 10:15 Sat 20 Sep 2014

The BBC, in an article entitled Hiding currency in the Dark Wallet:
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I suspect that it would not be productive to contact the original author.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by djewesbury » 10:05 Fri 26 Sep 2014

DRT wrote:the TRPF
Tautology
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Post by JacobH » 21:46 Fri 26 Sep 2014

djewesbury wrote:Sorry. I left this as long as I could.
But there it still is.
Here, Jacob created a thread entitled
"Oporto and the Duoro"
Hmm...I missed this. I didn’t realise we were moving on from apostrophe crimes to typing errors!!

But anyway, I plead not guilty on the basis that Duoro, whilst unconventional, is a legitimate alternative spelling:
Richard Shannon, in [url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3zs7AQAAMAAJ&dq=duoro&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false]A Practical Treatise on Brewing, Distilling, and Rectification &c. &c.[/url], wrote:By the law of the general company of the Alto Duoro it is expressly provided that if the sambucus fructus in umbella nigro, C. B. P. or the alder tree is found in or about a vineyard the penalty of forty shillings shall be incurred:--and if any of the berries or expressed juice (which they term baga) is found or discovered in any lodge or repository of wine besides the confiscation of all the wines of the said lodge to the company the owner or proprietor is liable to be imprisoned at the mercy of the king
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