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Post by jdaw1 » 22:47 Thu 04 Dec 2014

My wife and I are writing a website for her chiropractic business. One of the pages is about people who can be helped. There’s a section entitled “Children and babies”, then “Pregnant women”, and then “Exercise enthusiasts”. None of these categories need concern us. The next section, in the current draft of the website, goes as follows, and SWMBO wants opinion other than mine.
Fat middle-aged males

(The title of this section was chosen by my husband—I vetoed his other term: “masculine and prosperous physique”.) Excess weight can put knees and lower back under a lot of stress. Weight at the front pushes the body off balance, it causes the spine to curve excessively, which in turn can cause disc problems, ligament stretching, and stress fractures.

A short-term reduction in pain, typically by un-pinching a nerve, can make people more mobile and able to get about, which can help lose (or not gain) weight.

Longer-term, you feel healthier, sleep better (lack of sleep causes lack of energy causes hunger), gain energy and mobility, and the immune system works better.

But, as I tell my husband, what’s better than just chiropractic adjustments are both chiropractic adjustments and weight loss.
Is this a good idea? (Good idea = attract customers. Bad idea = not attract customers .)

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Post by djewesbury » 22:48 Thu 04 Dec 2014

I'd go.
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Post by djewesbury » 22:48 Thu 04 Dec 2014

(Were I fat)
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Post by SCP-DFF » 22:54 Thu 04 Dec 2014

djewesbury wrote:I'd go.
Really? When Julian proposed this, I was shocked. I mean, "Fat Middle-Aged Men"? To me, that's offensive and a bit repulsive. Julian says no. Julian says it's a tractor beam pulling in FMAM.

So I need reassurance that he's right. Is this Julian being Julian? Or is this Julian just being male and I don't understand this like I don't understand Chinese?

Thanks for your comments!

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Post by djewesbury » 22:56 Thu 04 Dec 2014

I think it's disarming and friendly. I agree with Julian. It's good to have information such as this delivered with some informality. It doesn't offend and it doesn't trivialise.
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Post by AW77 » 22:59 Thu 04 Dec 2014

Well, if I was a customer, I'd like to know more about the weight loss. So you should offer some advice on that.
Instead of fat middle-aged males, you could call them "weight-challenged male mid-agers". :lol:
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Post by LGTrotter » 23:00 Thu 04 Dec 2014

People always think of other people being fat, not themselves. They may beat themselves up with it at times but they don't really believe it.

So I'm more a no.

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Post by jdaw1 » 23:08 Thu 04 Dec 2014

LGTrotter wrote:People always think of other people being fat, not themselves.
Is that concern lessened by the previous section being entitled “Exercise enthusiasts”? Also, is the target audience the FMAM, or is it the wives of the FMAM? And if the latter, will the description encourage or discourage them?

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Post by LGTrotter » 23:17 Thu 04 Dec 2014

I think your sense (Julian) of wanting a little less euphemism than suggested in the first draft is a good one. I think you may have followed this to it's logical conclusion with more enthusiasm than I might have suggested. For instance overweight is pithy without having the slight internal cringe fat comes with.

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Post by Glenn E. » 23:17 Thu 04 Dec 2014

SCP-DFF wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I'd go.
Really? When Julian proposed this, I was shocked. I mean, "Fat Middle-Aged Men"? To me, that's offensive and a bit repulsive. Julian says no. Julian says it's a tractor beam pulling in FMAM.
I must side with the better half on this one.

If I saw that on a website, I'd leave the site. It does not seem professional to me.
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Post by DRT » 00:00 Fri 05 Dec 2014

Glenn E. wrote:
SCP-DFF wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I'd go.
Really? When Julian proposed this, I was shocked. I mean, "Fat Middle-Aged Men"? To me, that's offensive and a bit repulsive. Julian says no. Julian says it's a tractor beam pulling in FMAM.
I must side with the better half on this one.

If I saw that on a website, I'd leave the site. It does not seem professional to me.
+1

Some might find it amusing, and then not become a customer.

Some might find it repulsive, and not become a customer.

A few might not open that page, and some of those might become customers.

I'd ditch it.
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Post by jdaw1 » 00:21 Fri 05 Dec 2014

Glenn, DRT: would the substitution suggested by Owen (+overweight, −fat) remedy the problem?

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Post by DRT » 00:24 Fri 05 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:Glenn, DRT: would the substitution suggested by Owen (+overweight, −fat) remedy the problem?
The intent behind the message is fine, but the page needs to be written by someone who has a modicum of empathy and tact - i.e. not you.

MAW should have a go at writing something about how her treatments can help those who wish to lose or control their weight and post it in this thread for critique.
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Post by djewesbury » 00:35 Fri 05 Dec 2014

DRT wrote:the page needs to be written by someone who has a modicum of empathy and tact - i.e. not you.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by flash_uk » 08:28 Fri 05 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:People always think of other people being fat, not themselves.
Is that concern lessened by the previous section being entitled “Exercise enthusiasts”? Also, is the target audience the FMAM, or is it the wives of the FMAM? And if the latter, will the description encourage or discourage them?
Without doubt the wives are the target. Everything I have done in the past year related to health had been booked by my wife. Doctor, dentist, dental hygienist, osteo, first visit to personal trainer, skin cancer check etc. I would add some words to the page which leave the wife in no doubt that booking an appointment for hubby will be a wonderfully successful venture.

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Post by jdaw1 » 10:05 Fri 05 Dec 2014

flash_uk wrote:I would add some words to the page which leave the wife in no doubt that booking an appointment for hubby will be a wonderfully successful venture.
Exercise averse

Being heavy can put knees and lower back under a lot of stress. Weight at the front pushes the body off balance, it causes the spine to curve excessively, which in turn can cause disc problems, ligament stretching, and stress fractures.

A short-term reduction in pain, typically by un-pinching a nerve, can make people more mobile and able to get about, which can help lose (or not gain) weight.

Longer-term, you feel healthier, sleep better (lack of sleep causes lack of energy causes hunger), gain energy and mobility, and the immune system works better.

And men, if you’re too shy to book for yourself, ask your lovely wife to book both of you!
Is this a good idea? (Good idea = attract customers. Bad idea = not attract customers.) Rephrased, would the target audience think that “Exercise averse” applies to themselves? (And yes, I know, I still prefer honesty to tact.)

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Post by PhilW » 10:06 Fri 05 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:My wife and I are writing a website for her chiropractic business. One of the pages is about people who can be helped. There’s a section entitled “Children and babies”, then “Pregnant women”, and then “Exercise enthusiasts”. None of these categories need concern us. The next section, in the current draft of the website, goes as follows, and SWMBO wants opinion other than mine.
Fat middle-aged males

(The title of this section was chosen by my husband—I vetoed his other term: “masculine and prosperous physique”.) Excess weight can put knees and lower back under a lot of stress. Weight at the front pushes the body off balance, it causes the spine to curve excessively, which in turn can cause disc problems, ligament stretching, and stress fractures.

A short-term reduction in pain, typically by un-pinching a nerve, can make people more mobile and able to get about, which can help lose (or not gain) weight.

Longer-term, you feel healthier, sleep better (lack of sleep causes lack of energy causes hunger), gain energy and mobility, and the immune system works better.

But, as I tell my husband, what’s better than just chiropractic adjustments are both chiropractic adjustments and weight loss.
Is this a good idea? (Good idea = attract customers. Bad idea = not attract customers .)
Bad idea. Most of the text is good, but the opening line while being an attention grabber will also be read as "hey fatty!" with the implicit social disdain, which would be off-putting for many seeking professional help; I would also note that nothing in your text seems to be gender-specific, so am not sure why this is titled only for men; even if men are your primary target, would the information not be just as valid for women? "Overweight and middle-aged?" might be softer and sufficient, as well as not implying criticism.

Your first two paragraphs are great, as they actually provide informative explanation, and highlight that having such treatment may help prevent further gain or aid loss, which will be received very positively. I think however that you ruin it at the end with your last comment; almost everyone who is fat knows that it would be better for their health if they lost weight, they don't need to be told this, and may well find it patronising, which is not the way you wish them to feel on finishing reading you text. For most people who are overweight, the difficulty is one of motivation to take the steps needed to lose it; they may be motivated based on a better understanding the health benefits they may gain or the consequences of not losing and/or gaining further weight (which is why your second paragraph is probably the best sales pitch).

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Post by PhilW » 10:09 Fri 05 Dec 2014

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jdaw1 wrote:Glenn, DRT: would the substitution suggested by Owen (+overweight, −fat) remedy the problem?
The intent behind the message is fine, but the page needs to be written by someone who has a modicum of empathy and tact - i.e. not you.
I think you should stop pussy-footing around and say what you really think!

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Post by PhilW » 10:21 Fri 05 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:Rephrased, would the target audience think that “Exercise averse” applies to themselves? (And yes, I know, I still prefer honesty to tact.)
No, not for me personally, though I don't know whether my situation would be typical of your target audience (though I expect I would be among it). I wrote a longer and more detailed response, but decided it was too personal to post; happy to respond more fully by PM, but think you already know my situation.

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Post by jdaw1 » 10:22 Fri 05 Dec 2014

I think you like these bits:
jdaw1 wrote:Excess weight can put knees and lower back under a lot of stress. Weight at the front pushes the body off balance, it causes the spine to curve excessively, which in turn can cause disc problems, ligament stretching, and stress fractures.

A short-term reduction in pain, typically by un-pinching a nerve, can make people more mobile and able to get about, which can help lose (or not gain) weight.

Longer-term, you feel healthier, sleep better (lack of sleep causes lack of energy causes hunger), gain energy and mobility, and the immune system works better.
In which case all that’s needed is a title says and doesn’t say and why are people so unwilling to state truth? Please suggest a title.

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Post by PhilW » 10:27 Fri 05 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:In which case all that’s needed is a title says and doesn’t say and why are people so unwilling to state truth? Please suggest a title.
Ask that again please?

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Post by flash_uk » 11:24 Fri 05 Dec 2014

jdaw1 wrote:Please suggest a title.
How about "Taking good care of middle-aged men". Turns it into a lovely altruistic jolly considerate endeavour. The subsequent text can elaborate and point out that the dangers to be guarded against are excessive weight, high blood pressure, blah blah blah.

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Post by djewesbury » 11:43 Fri 05 Dec 2014

Ok, I'm also now unsure why only males who are middle-aged are being reached out to. And I understand others' aversion to the text as it stands. I agree that Julian's directness could be off-putting for some though personally I think that the internet is often a place where a tongue-in-cheek tone is used to sell more readily than in other media. Armed with an answer to the first question above and some further discussion on who the target audience are (men / their wives / women), a solution is now a mere five pages away.
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Post by DRT » 11:54 Fri 05 Dec 2014

SCP-DFF wrote:Is this Julian being Julian?
Yes. And he is now being even more Julian by not giving into the fact that it was a bad idea and he should submit to your preference rather than tinkering around with the problem.

I enjoy reading Julian's direct style of writing on his website, here on :TPF:, in emails and text telling me I'm about to die, etc. I, and I suspect 99% of the population, am not attracted to websites advertising professional services that are written in that style.

I am sure Julian will be very helpful when it comes to making it all into a website, although it will probably be very minimalistic with no warm and fuzzy aesthetic appeal. However, I think you or someone who understands what is appealing or unappealing to your potential audience should write the content.
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Post by djewesbury » 12:04 Fri 05 Dec 2014

I was worried about the aesthetics myself. Clearly nothing that has been added to the W3 standards since 1993 will be allowed.
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