Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:43 Mon 29 Aug 2016
List in first post of this thread.
List looks good to me.jdaw1 wrote:Updated list:
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Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 14:20 Tue 30 Aug 2016
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 00:03 Wed 31 Aug 2016
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 23:49 Wed 31 Aug 2016
And me.PhilW wrote:List looks good to me.jdaw1 wrote:Updated list:
Do we need an 'E' to fill out the alphabet?
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Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 20:55 Sat 03 Sep 2016
What about Real Vinicola?
(I'm happy with the proposed Fs for Feist.)
(I'm happy with the proposed Fs for Feist.)
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 15:25 Sun 04 Sep 2016
= RO?AHB wrote:What about Real Vinicola?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 19:41 Sun 04 Sep 2016
No, a different brand owned by the same company. The same only in the sense that Gould Campbell and Quarles Harris are the same. While the same wine could be used for the different labels, it was also equally possible that different juice was used.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 20:18 Sun 04 Sep 2016
RVi? RVc? Pee? RVo?
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Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 20:32 Sun 04 Sep 2016
What is the rule for a single letter abbreviation to be used for a shipper? Why no single letter abbreviation for shippers beginning with M?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 20:33 Sun 04 Sep 2016
RVi works for mejdaw1 wrote:RVi? RVc? Pee? RVo?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 20:40 Sun 04 Sep 2016
Shippers are not equal. Taylor is a more important shipper that Tedo. As Taylor is the only ‘T’ with this property, Taylor gets a single letter. Likewise, Sandeman and Skeffington; Graham and Guedes; Fonseca and Feuerheerd; Dow and Dalva.AHB wrote:What is the rule for a single letter abbreviation to be used for a shipper? Why no single letter abbreviation for shippers beginning with M?
There are no important M shippers. None get the single-letter privilege.
The definition of ‘important’ is ‘as deemed by JDAW’.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:19 Sun 04 Sep 2016
Burmester is historically more important to shippers beginning with B than Martinez is to shippers beginning with M. Discuss. (100 marks available.)jdaw1 wrote:The definition of ‘important’ is ‘as deemed by JDAW’.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 22:21 Sun 04 Sep 2016
That’s fair. Martinez = M?AHB wrote:Burmester is historically more important to shippers beginning with B than Martinez is to shippers beginning with M. Discuss. (100 marks available.)jdaw1 wrote:The definition of ‘important’ is ‘as deemed by JDAW’.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 23:03 Sun 04 Sep 2016
Martinez = M has better brevity than Burmester = Bu.
Works for me.
Works for me.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 23:34 Sun 04 Sep 2016
It’s a substantial change of years-long practice. It needs more of a consensus than AHB enthusiasm and JDAW reluctant acceptance of change in a changing world. Others?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 18:29 Mon 05 Sep 2016
I am mostly ambivalent, but happy to accept our new M=Martinez overlords.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 18:30 Mon 05 Sep 2016
Why not RV for Real Vinicola?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 18:32 Mon 05 Sep 2016
Glenn E. wrote:Why not RV for Real Vinicola?
jdaw1 wrote:RV = Rebello Valente
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 19:18 Mon 05 Sep 2016
I'm less convinced by the idea of complete overhaul. I would stay with Mz, for example. For Real Vinicola while I'm OK with RVi, I would suggest an alternative not proposed of RVn, on the basis that we seem to have mostly select next/later consonant rather than vowels to date.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 19:34 Mon 05 Sep 2016
Martinez: Alex wants change. Glenn and I tolerate it. Phil opposes.
RVn: opinions?
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Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 21:45 Mon 05 Sep 2016
Any objection to Ps = Quinta do Passadouro (whether or not made by Niepoort)?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 23:11 Mon 05 Sep 2016
I'm with Phil on the Martinez point. Just because M is free doesn't mean it must be used. When I read Mz I immediately recognise which shipper is being referenced. If I read M, I would need to think about it for a moment.jdaw1 wrote:Martinez: Alex wants change. Glenn and I tolerate it. Phil opposes.
RVn: opinions?
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 04:55 Tue 06 Sep 2016
My familiarity with Passadouro ends basically with the name.jdaw1 wrote:Any objection to Ps = Quinta do Passadouro (whether or not made by Niepoort)?
If it produced Port on its own, then Ps seems fine.
But when produced by Niepoort, it should be NiPs for those vintages.
I don't think Ps should be used for both.
Re: Port House abbreviations
Posted: 05:00 Tue 06 Sep 2016
I do understand the desire to keep what works, and am fine with Mz. I'm really only in favor of breaking with tradition when doing so provides additional clarity or better standardization. Mz -> M really does neither.PhilW wrote:I'm less convinced by the idea of complete overhaul. I would stay with Mz, for example. For Real Vinicola while I'm OK with RVi, I would suggest an alternative not proposed of RVn, on the basis that we seem to have mostly select next/later consonant rather than vowels to date.
RVi and RVn are equally fine to me now that I've been reminded of RV.