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Possessive

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I like the possessive for Graham’s, and for almost no other ports. A previous discussion did find old labels of Fonseca’s, but modern ones are plain Fonseca. (And for some houses copying the labels would entail unacceptable ALL CAPITALS.)
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What type is Vargellas?

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Derek T. wrote:Graham's Malvedos is a second label port, not an SQVP.
What type is Vargellas? Ervamoira?

Do you have a list of those you deem second label?
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Re: What type is Vargellas?

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jdaw1 wrote:
Derek T. wrote:Graham's Malvedos is a second label port, not an SQVP.
What type is Vargellas? Ervamoira?

Do you have a list of those you deem second label?
Vargellas is always described as an SQVP - I'm not sure about Ervamoira as I have never seen one.

Another example of where the shipper does not use the "Quinta de/do/dos/das" in the description of the wine is SW's Madelena. However, I'm not sure if this is for the same reasons as Graham's Malvedos.

Sandeman now produce Sandeman Vau Vintage - I do not know whether or not all the grapes come from Quinta do Vau.

Neipoort Secundum is presumably not the product of the infamous Quinta do Secundum :P

If anyone has the energy to find it I recall a lengthy debate about whether or not Malvedos was an SQVP on FTLOP a couple of years back. That, and from reading labels on some old Malvedos bottlings, is where I learned that Malvedos has at times been produced using a blend of grapes from more than one Quinta.

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The Fladgate Partnership stopped using "Quinta do/de/etc." on their SQ bottlings a couple of years ago, but these wines are stil SQ's. Since Malvedos is also a SQ (at least nowadays), I would suggest treating it as such.

Another option would be to make a distinction between Single Quinta's from Shippers (that are mostly used as second labels) and Single Quinta's from independent producers. The latter can be listed with their proper name, whereas the first category can be grouped with bottlings such as Guimaraens, Secundum and Vau.

I would strongly suggest to be consistent in the use of the possesive. Otherwise my foreign braincells may fail to understand the rule.
Sandeman now produce Sandeman Vau Vintage - I do not know whether or not all the grapes come from Quinta do Vau.
The Vau vintage is a blend from several quinta's. There also used to be a Quinta do Vau bottling. I don't know if it still exists.
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RonnieRoots wrote:The Fladgate Partnership stopped using "Quinta do/de/etc." on their SQ bottlings a couple of years ago
This is the most significant thing I have learned thus far in 2008.

Whay did they stop?

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It has just ocurred to me that this has drifted into a proper port thread - do we need to split and move? If so, where do we split?

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My vote, FWLIW, is to keep here.

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No. We are try to establish a canonical list of names for the TN index. My vote, FWLIW, is to keep here.
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Four Wives Lie In Wait?
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I thought similar.

I came to the conclusion it was .... For What Its Worth!...with an L thrown in for good measure.
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For What Liver is Worth?
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For What Little It’s Worth

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For What Little It’s Worth.

Back on subject now please.
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Danger!!! - MD Alert :shock:
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Derek T. wrote:
RonnieRoots wrote:The Fladgate Partnership stopped using "Quinta do/de/etc." on their SQ bottlings a couple of years ago
This is the most significant thing I have learned thus far in 2008.

Whay did they stop?

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Don't know why, probably for marketing reasons. It was done in the general effort to make their labels uglier.
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I’m a firm fan of us using the term “Graham Malvedos†

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I’m a firm fan of us using the term “Graham Malvedos†, as M really is a subsidiary part of the concept of G. For what other house/SQ pairs should this be done?
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Fonseca Guimaraens
Taylor's Quinta de Vargellas
Taylor's Quinta de Terra Feita
Dow's Quinta do Bomfim
Port is basically a red drink
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House/SQ pairs

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The house style is without possessive. So far we have:
  • Graham Malvedos;
  • Fonseca Guimaraens;
  • Taylor Quinta de Vargellas;
  • Taylor Quinta de Terra Feita;
  • Dow Quinta do Bomfim.
Any others? Smith Woodhouse Madelena? Ramos Pinto Ervamoira?

(Remember: you don’t have to be correct; you merely have to be definitive.)
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Where's the Martinez.

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Doesn't it?

Martinez doesn't appear in the 'M's, where a simple lad like me expects to find it, but in the 'H's. :?

Please (on the next update) could you help thickies by inserting a Martinez link at the 'M's to where it appears in the 'H's? :D

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Sorry, the previous comments pertains to the tasting note index. The JDAW link said I should paste comments in this thread, so I did.

I'm obedient, if stupid, nonetheless.
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So the attempt to tidy the names failed.

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So the attempt to tidy the names failed. No definitive list has been submitted.

Nonetheless, it’s almost time for another update. I’m going to the old world Thursday week, so please send me updated data several days before then. The weekend, perhaps?
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Shouldn't someone set up TNs for the 1966 tasting?
Port is basically a red drink
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KillerB wrote:Shouldn't someone set up TNs for the 1966 tasting?
We all know that "someone" will, so I don't think those of us who are helpful-link-deficient should interfere :wink:

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uncertainty about the presence of the Adam.

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KillerB wrote:Shouldn't someone set up TNs for the 1966 tasting?
‘Someone’ was going to the week before. There is still uncertainty about the presence of the Adam.
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'Someone' could always create all the others and wait for certainty.
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KillerB wrote:'Someone' could always create all the others and wait for certainty.
‘Someone’ has told me that the cross-linking is more easily done in one go.
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jdaw1 wrote:
KillerB wrote:'Someone' could always create all the others and wait for certainty.
‘Someone’ has told me that the cross-linking is more easily done in one go.
'Someone' has told me that 'Someone' is best left alone to decide the best time for 'Someone' to do what 'Someone' does very well.
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