Tasting Notes Section

[KillerB]

'Someone' could always create all the others and wait for certainty.

‘Someone’ has told me that the cross-linking is more easily done in one go.

'Someone' has told me that 'Someone' is best left alone to decide the best time for 'Someone' to do what 'Someone' does very well.

I was just wondering so that we had them on-line before I create the downloads.

[jdaw1]

OK. Will do in a few hours.

[jdaw1]

‘Somebody’ has coped.

The 1966 Horizontal, held at the Crusting Pipe, Covent Garden, London WC2E 8RD, on Monday 28 January 2008.

Links:

• Planning and arrangements: pages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15;
• Review of the evening as a whole;
• TN: Adam 1966;
• TN: Avery 1966;
• TN: Croft 1966;
• TN: Delaforce 1966;
• TN: Dow 1966;
• TN: Fonseca 1966;
• TN: Graham 1966;
• TN: Morgan 1966;
• TN: Noval 1966;
• TN: Noval Nacional 1966;
• TN: Offley Boa Vista 1966;
• TN: Robertson’s Rebello Valente 1966;
• TN: Taylor 1966;
• TN: Warre 1966;
• TN: Berry Brothers & Rudd 1966.

Perhaps suppliers of bottles could post information about provenance in the appropriate TN threads?

[AHB]

I note that the title of the tasting note for the Nacional is "1966 Nacional". Should we follow that lead for future tasting notes of the Nacional wines (ie. omit any reference to Noval)?

Alex

[DRT]

I note that the title of the tasting note for the Nacional is "1966 Nacional". Should we follow that lead for future tasting notes of the Nacional wines (ie. omit any reference to Noval)?

Alex

I vote no. I prefer the use of the full description Quinta do Noval Nacional, preferably with the funny little curly thing at the bottom of the c in Nacional

Derek

[jdaw1]

“Naçional”?! Please help me believe by uploading a picture of a bottle with a label in which the c of Nacional has a cedilla.

[jdaw1]

Parts 1 and 2 updated.

[jdaw1]

This is what we drink, in descending order of number of TNs:

44 Quinta do Vesuvio
29 Fonseca
26 Graham’s
24 Warre
21 Taylor
20 Nacional
19 Dow
15 Cockburn
14 Croft
13 Noval
13 Sandeman
12 Niepoort
10 Noval colheita
10 Taylor Quinta de Vargellas
9 Graham’s Malvedos
9 Smith Woodhouse
8 Harvey’s (Martinez)
8 Morgan
7 Fonseca Guimaraens
7 Kopke
7 Ramos Pinto
6 Quinta do Crasto
6 Quinta de Roriz
6 Warre LBV
5 Berry Bros Selection
5 Burmester LBV
5 Croft Quinta da Roeda
5 Dow Quinta do Bomfim
5 Gould Campbell
5 Noval Silval
5 Offley Boa Vista
4 Churchill’s
4 Graham’s Crusted
4 Graham’s LBV
4 Kopke colheita
4 Niepoort colheita
4 Quarles Harris
4 Smith Woodhouse LBV
4 Quinta de Vale Meão
3 Burmester
3 Cálem
3 Dalva (Presidential)
3 Dow LBV
3 Ferreira
3 Krohn’s
3 Warre colheita
3 Warre Otima tawny
2 Andresen
2 Andresen colheita
2 Quinta do Crasto LBV
2 Croft LBV
2 Delaforce
2 Delaforce Quinta da Corte
2 Fonseca Quinta do Cruzeiro
2 Fonseca Quinta do Panascal
2 Messias
2 Niepoort Quinta do Passadouro
2 Offley
2 Osborne
2 Pintas
2 Poças
2 Quinta do Portal
2 Rebello Valente
2 Robertson’s Rebello Valente
2 Roriz LBV
2 Smith Woodhouse Madalena
2 Taylor LBV
2 Taylor Quinta de Terra Feita
2 Tesco’s Symington
2 Warre Quinta da Cavadinha
1 Adam
1 Andresen LBV
1 Avery
1 Quinta de Baldias
1 Quinta de Baldias LBV
1 Barros
1 Berry Brothers & Rudd
1 Berry’s Vintage Character
1 Borges
1 Quinta do Bragào colheita
1 Quinta da Brunheda colheita
1 Quinta das Carvalhas
1 Quinta da Cavadinha
1 Churchill crusted
1 Churchill’s Quinta da Agua Alta
1 Churchill’s LBV
1 Croft Platinum Reserve
1 Dalva Golden White colheita
1 Davy’s
1 Delaforce 20Y tawny
1 Delaforce colheita
1 Dow Crusted
1 Dow tawny
1 Duff Gordon
1 Feist colheita
1 Feist LBV
1 Ferreira LBV
1 Quinta do Fojo
1 Fonseca 20Y tawny
1 Fonseca Bin 27
1 Fonseca Terra Prima Reserve
1 Gonzalez Byass
1 Graham’s Reserve
1 Gran Cruz
1 Guedes LBV
1 Hutcheson
1 Quinta do Infantado
1 Kopke Quinta S. Luiz
1 Kopke tawny
1 Krohn colheita
1 Krohn’s Quinta do Retiro Novo
1 Marks & Spencer LBV
1 Mitcheltombs
1 Moreira colheita
1 Niepoort 20Y tawny
1 Niepoort Dry White Port
1 Niepoort Garrafeira
1 Niepoort Secundum
1 Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo LBV
1 Noval Crusted
1 Noval LBV
1 Noval LBV
1 Offley colheita
1 Porto Cruz 20Y tawny
1 Presidential Reserve Golden White Port
1 Ramos Pinto Quinta de Ervamoira
1 Ramos Pinto LBV
1 Robertson tawny
1 Quinta da Romaneira
1 Quinta da Romaneira LBV
1 Romariz
1 Royal Oporto
1 Rozès
1 Rozès LBV
1 Sandeman Vau
1 São Pedro das Aguias
1 Smith Woodhouse colheita
1 Taylor Fladgate 10Y tawny
1 Taylor Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha
1 Quinta do Vale Dona Maria Reserve
1 Quinta de Ventozelo
1 Quinta da Vista Allegre

[DRT]

This is what we drink, in descending order of number of TNs:

44 Quinta do Vesuvio
29 Fonseca
26 Graham’s
24 Warre
21 Taylor
20 Nacional
19 Dow
15 Cockburn
14 Croft
13 Noval
13 Sandeman
12 Niepoort

We seem to have good taste

[jdaw1]

I was mildly surprised by the dominance of Vesuvio.

[DRT]

I was mildly surprised by the dominance of Vesuvio.

I'm not too surprised as a large proportion, posted by Axel, LadyR and I, come from Vesuvio vertical tastings at the Quinta. Many others come from Alex 'Vesuvio' Bridgeman - He has a username with a H in the middle instead of a V just to throw us off

Derek

[jdaw1]

Just noticed that we had both “Robertson’s Rebello Valente” and “Rebello Valente”. Now merged into the longer name.

[AHB]

I was mildly surprised by the dominance of Vesuvio.

[jdaw1]

TN index updated—apologies for tardiness. Now so long that it needs three posts (there is an upper limit to the size of a single post, that I think is 32k characters). Front-page link also updated. Comments welcomed.

[DRT]

I like the new features very much.

Thank you.

[jdaw1]

new features

For the newly-arrived or unobservant:

• House names now link to the website for that brand, where one exists and is known to me.
• Each VP brand has been assigned a unique abbreviation, and to encourage their consistent use, they are shown appended by the year (e.g., “BI63” = Borges & Irmão 1963).
• Standardisation of representation of “LBV”, “colheita”, and the like.

But there’s a price. The auto-correcting software will doubtless introduce new errors: start at this post to find them and shame me (before I find them without the shaming).

[AHB]

We appear to have been extremely busy since the last update. This is becoming a very impressive tasting notes database.

Thank you for all the hard work.

[jdaw1]

This is what we drink, in descending order of number of TNs:

1. 55 × Graham vintage port
2. 49 × Quinta do Vesuvio vintage port
3. 35 × Fonseca vintage port
4. 32 × Taylor vintage port
5. 30 × Warre vintage port
6. 26 × Dow vintage port
7. 23 × Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port
8. 20 × Croft vintage port
9. 20 × Quinta do Noval vintage port
10. 19 × Cockburn vintage port
11. 19 × Taylor Quinta de Vargellas vintage port
12. 18 × Martinez (Harvey) vintage port
13. 17 × Niepoort vintage port
14. 15 × Graham Malvedos vintage port
15. 13 × Ferreira vintage port
16. 13 × Sandeman vintage port
17. 13 × Fonseca Guimaraens vintage port
18. 12 × Warre LBV
19. 12 × Morgan vintage port
20. 11 × Quinta do Noval colheita
21. 11 × Smith Woodhouse vintage port
22. 10 × Offley Boa Vista vintage port
23. 10 × Ramos-Pinto vintage port
24. 9 × Delaforce vintage port
25. 9 × Kopke vintage port
26. 8 × Kopke colheita
27. 8 × Gould Campbell vintage port
28. 8 × Dow Quinta do Bomfim vintage port
29. 7 × Berry Brothers & Rudd Selection vintage port
30. 7 × Quinta de Roriz vintage port
31. 7 × Noval Silval vintage port
32. 6 × Burmester LBV
33. 6 × Quinta do Crasto vintage port
34. 6 × Croft Quinta da Roeda vintage port
35. 5 × Robertson Rebello Valente vintage port
36. 5 × Burmester vintage port
37. 5 × Churchill vintage port
38. 5 × Dow LBV
39. 5 × Graham LBV
40. 5 × Smith Woodhouse Madalena vintage port
41. 5 × Quinta do Noval LBV
42. 5 × Quarles Harris vintage port
43. 4 × Cálem vintage port
44. 4 × Dalva (Presidential) vintage port
45. 4 × Dow crusted
46. 4 × Graham crusted
47. 4 × Niepoort colheita
48. 4 × Poças vintage port
49. 4 × Rozès LBV
50. 4 × Smith Woodhouse LBV
51. 4 × Taylor LBV
52. 4 × Tesco BOB vintage port
53. 4 × Warre Quinta da Cavadinha vintage port
54. 4 × Quinta de Vale Meão vintage port
55. 3 × Burmester colheita
56. 3 × Andresen colheita
57. 3 × Delaforce Quinta da Corte vintage port
58. 3 × Niepoort Quinta do Passadouro vintage port
59. 3 × Royal Oporto vintage port
60. 3 × Warre colheita
61. 3 × Warre Otima tawny
62. 3 × Gonzalez Byass vintage port
63. 3 × Hutcheson vintage port
64. 3 × Pintas vintage port
65. 3 × Taylor Quinta de Terra Feita vintage port
66. 2 × Offley LBV
67. 2 × Offley vintage port
68. 2 × Borges & Irmão vintage port
69. 2 × Cálem colheita
70. 2 × Messias Quinta do Cachão vintage port
71. 2 × Messias vintage port
72. 2 × Churchill LBV
73. 2 × Churchill Quinta da Agua Alta vintage port
74. 2 × Cockburn LBV
75. 2 × Croft LBV
76. 2 × Dow tawny
77. 2 × Fonseca LBV
78. 2 × Andresen LBV
79. 2 × Andresen vintage port
80. 2 × Krohn vintage port
81. 2 × Niepoort LBV
82. 2 × Niepoort tawny
83. 2 × Osborne vintage port
84. 2 × Quinta da Romaneira vintage port
85. 2 × Quinta de la Rosa colheita
86. 2 × Quinta de Roriz LBV
87. 2 × Quinta de Ventozelo vintage port
88. 2 × Quinta do Crasto LBV
89. 2 × Fonseca Quinta do Cruzeiro vintage port
90. 2 × Quinta do Portal vintage port
91. 2 × Ramos-Pinto Quinta de Ervamoira vintage port
92. 2 × Taylor tawny
93. 2 × Fonseca Quinta do Panascal vintage port
94. 2 × Quinta do Infantado vintage port
95. 1 × Robertson Rebello Valente tawny
96. 1 × Ferreira garrafeira
97. 1 × Ferreira LBV
98. 1 × Offley colheita
99. 1 × Berry Brothers & Rudd Selection vintage character
100. 1 × Dalva (Presidential) Golden White colheita
101. 1 × Dalva (Presidential) Golden White Reserve
102. 1 × Churchill crusted
103. 1 × Cockburn Reserve
104. 1 × Cockburn ruby
105. 1 × Croft Distinction Reserve
106. 1 × Croft Platinum Reserve
107. 1 × Croft pink
108. 1 × Delaforce colheita
109. 1 × Delaforce tawny
110. 1 × Dow colheita
111. 1 × Fonseca Bin 27 Reserve
112. 1 × Fonseca Terra Prima Reserve
113. 1 × Fonseca crusted
114. 1 × Fonseca tawny
115. 1 × Graham Reserve
116. 1 × Kopke LBV
117. 1 × Kopke tawny
118. 1 × Krohn colheita
119. 1 × Krohn tawny
120. 1 × Marks & Spencer BOB LBV
121. 1 × Marks & Spencer BOB pink
122. 1 × Niepoort Secundum vintage port
123. 1 × Niepoort dry white
124. 1 × Niepoort garrafeira
125. 1 × Barros colheita
126. 1 × Barros vintage port
127. 1 × Cruz tawny
128. 1 × Cruz vintage port
129. 1 × Quinta da Romaneira LBV
130. 1 × Quinta de la Rosa LBV
131. 1 × Quinta do Noval crusted
132. 1 × Quinta do Noval Reserve
133. 1 × Quinta do Noval tawny
134. 1 × Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo LBV
135. 1 × Ramos-Pinto Collector Reserve
136. 1 × Ramos-Pinto LBV
137. 1 × Ramos-Pinto white port
138. 1 × Royal Oporto Quinta das Carvalhas vintage port
139. 1 × Rozès tawny
140. 1 × Rozès vintage port
141. 1 × Sandeman Imperial Reserve
142. 1 × Sandeman Vau vintage port
143. 1 × Smith Woodhouse colheita
144. 1 × Sogevinus Honorable tawny
145. 1 × Unknown vintage port
146. 1 × Quinta do Vale Dona Maria Reserve
147. 1 × Quinta da Vista Allegre LBV
148. 1 × Quinta da Vista Allegre vintage port
149. 1 × Adam vintage port
150. 1 × Avery vintage port
151. 1 × Davy vintage port
152. 1 × Duff Gordon vintage port
153. 1 × Feist colheita
154. 1 × Feist LBV
155. 1 × Guedes LBV
156. 1 × Kopke Quinta São Luiz vintage port
157. 1 × Krohn Quinta do Retiro Novo vintage port
158. 1 × Mitcheltombs vintage port
159. 1 × Moreira colheita
160. 1 × Quarles Harris LBV
161. 1 × Quinta da Brunheda colheita
162. 1 × Quinta de Baldias LBV
163. 1 × Quinta de Baldias vintage port
164. 1 × Quinta do Bragào colheita
165. 1 × Quinta do Convento de São Pedro das Aguias vintage port
166. 1 × Quinta do Fojo vintage port
167. 1 × Quinta do Infantado LBV
168. 1 × Quinta do Javali LBV
169. 1 × Rainha Santa vintage port
170. 1 × Romariz vintage port
171. 1 × Santos Junior vintage port
172. 1 × Taylor Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha vintage port

[DRT]

This is what we drink, in descending order of number of TNs:

1. 55 × Graham vintage port
2. 49 × Quinta do Vesuvio vintage port
3. 35 × Fonseca vintage port
4. 32 × Taylor vintage port
5. 30 × Warre vintage port
6. 26 × Dow vintage port
7. 23 × Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port
8. 20 × Croft vintage port
9. 20 × Quinta do Noval vintage port
10. 19 × Cockburn vintage port

We continue to have excellent taste

Can I suggest that "Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port" should appear as "Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port"?

[jdaw1]

Can I suggest that "Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port" should appear as "Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port"?

You may suggest it. The software can do “Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port”, which isn’t quite what you ask.

Or find a better link, which may be a deep-link.

[DRT]

Can I suggest that "Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port" should appear as "Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port"?

You may suggest it. The software can do “Quinta do Noval Nacional vintage port”, which isn’t quite what you ask.

Or find a better link, which may be a deep-link.

Their site uses Flashiness that prevents me from isolating a url to a Nacional-only page. Your compromise is better than nothing.

[jdaw1]

Can’t be bothered with the complicated copy-pasting right now, but the database has been updated so it’ll appear next time I can.

[jdaw1]

Admin: please send me the data and the recent tastings can be included.

[DRT]

A suggestion: Quinta do Noval Nacional should come immediately after Qunita do Noval in the TN Index. Mainly just because it should.

[jdaw1]

Works for me.