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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 20:43 Fri 22 Nov 2019

Doggett wrote:
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Personally on the latest iteration for the Rebello Valente tasting, I think the droplets detract from the classic nature of the placemat and is like a very light version of Pollock’s number 14. I am all for pimping up the mats but this one is not for me... thoughts?
I’d like to know what others think.

Some food for thought.

• From the log page of the Rebello Valente placemats: “Droplets will cover approximately 7.3% of non-margin bare page (ignoring overlaps and hollow inners, assuming no sharp turns, etc).”

• Thoughts on other decorative things? E.g.,:

◊ Spirals, Messias tasting 23 Oct 2019:
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◊ CrossHatching, 1994 tasting on 11 June 2019:
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◊ Flowers, Blind and Informal tasting on 21 May 2019:
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◊ Stars, DRT’s Annual Elixir tasting on 26 Mar 2019:
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Doggett » 22:33 Fri 22 Nov 2019

Quite liked the spirals, flowers and crosshatching. Not sold on the stars but the bold defining of the main elements is good to my taste a la Flowers.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Glenn E. » 23:08 Fri 22 Nov 2019

I like all of the above for different reasons. But if I'm honest, I probably won't use these features. We're pretty basic with our placemats and are very happy with just the core functionality.

I might try spirals (or anything else that fills the circle) some time. For some reason filling the glasses circle is more appealing to me than filling the empty space between glasses.
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 00:53 Sat 23 Nov 2019

Glenn E. wrote:
23:08 Fri 22 Nov 2019
For some reason filling the glasses circle is more appealing to me than filling the empty space between glasses.
Is this a quirky feature of Simon and our American cousins (and hence perhaps ignorable), or is this a general preference?

Doggett wrote:
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Quite liked the spirals, flowers and crosshatching. Not sold on the stars but the bold defining of the main elements is good to my taste a la Flowers.
Flowers not so different to the Stars (compare this use of Hearts). Why the different preference?


I seek guidance.


Reminder: many many placemats shown at the list of placemats.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Andy Velebil » 01:56 Sat 23 Nov 2019

Doggett wrote:Quite liked the spirals, flowers and crosshatching. Not sold on the stars but the bold defining of the main elements is good to my taste a la Flowers.
Ditto

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by Glenn E. » 01:26 Sun 24 Nov 2019

jdaw1 wrote:
00:53 Sat 23 Nov 2019
Glenn E. wrote:
23:08 Fri 22 Nov 2019
For some reason filling the glasses circle is more appealing to me than filling the empty space between glasses.
Is this a quirky feature of Simon and our American cousins (and hence perhaps ignorable), or is this a general preference?
It is such a mild preference for me - on a feature that I'm not likely to use anyway - that it can be safely ignored, at least as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 15:14 Sun 24 Nov 2019

Is it the shape of the flowers versus that of the stars? Or is it that in the examples above the stars are pale on pale, whereas the flowers are pale on dark?

Compare, for example, the 1963 horizontal on 10 April 2018.
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Or, similar, the Cockburn vertical on 02 Oct 2018.
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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by PhilW » 20:40 Mon 25 Nov 2019

jdaw1 wrote:
20:43 Fri 22 Nov 2019
I’d like to know what others think.
I tend to prefer a single pattern on a set of placemats - or at least a coherent one; so:
- outline or solid wording, with pattern filling in circles and clear background
- outline or solid wording, with clear circles and pattern filled background
- pattern-filled wording, with clear circles and clear or same/related pattern background

So, for example, when a pattern is used in the background (rays, diagonals, spirals, sperm and others) I prefer empty circles; or vice versa. Matching background and text-fill can be good (complementary might also work well).

Where a pattern is used to fill the circle, it should not also fill the text, which should then be clear or solid; noting this is as per your Messias example above, but not always per previous placemats.

Am not keen on gray-and-pattern-filled text (such as flowers example, or stars example), nor black-and-pattern filled text.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 00:45 Tue 26 Nov 2019

PhilW wrote:
20:40 Mon 25 Nov 2019
I tend to prefer a single pattern on a set of placemats - or at least a coherent one; so:
- outline or solid wording, with pattern filling in circles and clear background
- outline or solid wording, with clear circles and pattern filled background
- pattern-filled wording, with clear circles and clear or same/related pattern background
Please post some examples (the dates would suffice) of near-fails and only-just-successes.
jdaw1 wrote:
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Reminder: many many placemats shown at the list of placemats.
Thank you.

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Re: Emergency-Tuesday 28 January 2020

Post by jdaw1 » 00:01 Wed 29 Jan 2020

flash_uk wrote:
00:21 Tue 28 Jan 2020
Placemats created.
My bugs, or yours? (E.g., spacing in Circlearrays. E.g., the table of contents has a link to the log page, but there isn’t a log page — was it removed in a post-process rather than by /OutputLogToPage false def? Please send me the code.)


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Re: Emergency-Tuesday 28 January 2020

Post by flash_uk » 00:18 Wed 29 Jan 2020

jdaw1 wrote:
00:01 Wed 29 Jan 2020
flash_uk wrote:
00:21 Tue 28 Jan 2020
Placemats created.
My bugs, or yours? (E.g., spacing in Circlearrays. E.g., the table of contents has a link to the log page, but there isn’t a log page — was it removed in a post-process rather than by /OutputLogToPage false def? Please send me the code.)
I noticed both the spacing thing, and the lack of log page. Will email the .ps.

The spacing thing I think is my doing. I think I used initials in more than one circlearrays field.


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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 00:04 Thu 30 Jan 2020

Score one each.

Code: Select all

/Circlearrays [
	[ (NAC) () (NAC) ]
	[ (IDJ) () (IDJ) ]
	[ (MPM) () (MPM) ]
	[ (Dagger) () (Dagger) ]
	[ (Double Dagger) () (Double Dagger) ]
] def
The empty strings explain the weird gaps.

But the absence of a log page was a failure of the author of the code to realise that there was a difference in behaviour between Adobe Distiller and Ghostscript. Fixed. Apologies.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by flash_uk » 00:11 Thu 30 Jan 2020

jdaw1 wrote:
00:04 Thu 30 Jan 2020
The empty strings explain the weird gaps.
Sackcloth and ashes. This requires some adaptation to the wizard coding, to cope with blank fields. I will get round to that, but not at the pace with which you fixed the log page matter.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 08:50 Thu 30 Jan 2020

Next question, is about branding, but likely as not the most consistent usage is in the software and its output.

Are we PascalCase (www.ThePortForum.com) or camelCase (www.thePortForum.com)? Current usage is PascalCase; but there would be less need for kerning with camelCase.

Currently we use PascalCase:
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Preference? Comment?

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by flash_uk » 09:32 Thu 30 Jan 2020

I prefer PascalCase, as it reinforces the often used acronym TPF. Where would the kerning difference happen with camelCase? Around the first dot?

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Post by jdaw1 » 10:22 Thu 30 Jan 2020

Yes: “.T” needs kerning; “.t” doesnʼt, or at least, it matters much less.

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 00:34 Thu 27 Feb 2020

During the Emergency at 67 Pall Mall on 25 February 2020, Neil, and perhaps others, asked that the parameter NeckTagsHoleRadius be larger. Currently its default is 42.52pt ≈ 15mm, so a diameter of 3cm. What size is wanted?

Suggestion: 54pt = 19.05mm, so a diameter of 38.1mm. Comment?

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Re: Software that makes placemats

Post by jdaw1 » 00:50 Tue 03 Mar 2020

jdaw1 wrote:
00:34 Thu 27 Feb 2020
Suggestion: 54pt = 19.05mm, so a diameter of 38.1mm. Comment?
No comment, so done. If there is later disagreement, it can be undone.

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