1999 Chateau Musar
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1999 Chateau Musar
I've always been a fan of the Hochar wines and Elizabeth and I decided to open this bottle tonight to go with a leg of Welsh lamb that we were having for dinner.
This wine is superb at the moment, probably at its peak. The nose was of sweet, ripe fruit. This sweet fruit carried into the mouth but was supported by a nice acidic structure with tannins present - but only if you looked for them. But the best feature of the wine was the fantastic aftertaste of cranberries that just went on for ages.
We don't often finish a full bottle between is in one sitting, but this bottle disappeared very quickly. 94/100. Fantastic value for money at £8 a bottle last summer.
This wine is superb at the moment, probably at its peak. The nose was of sweet, ripe fruit. This sweet fruit carried into the mouth but was supported by a nice acidic structure with tannins present - but only if you looked for them. But the best feature of the wine was the fantastic aftertaste of cranberries that just went on for ages.
We don't often finish a full bottle between is in one sitting, but this bottle disappeared very quickly. 94/100. Fantastic value for money at £8 a bottle last summer.
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- Alex Bridgeman
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I first came across Chateau Musar wines when travelling on an intercity train from London to Hull, many years ago. I was having dinner in the Restaurant car and wanted something to wash down my steak. They had half-bottles of Musar on their wine list and the price was very reasonable compared to the other half bottles. I tasted the wine and was very impressed.
Since then, we have usually had one or two bottles of a relatively recent vintage lying around in the house. One of the things that I particularly like about Musar is that the wines are not released or sold until they are ready to be drunk (although they will improve further with additional bottle time).
I had the 1979 2-3 years ago. I'll be very interested to hear what you think of them as I felt it was a little tired and was declining. For me, the Musar wines that are at their best are from the vintages 1999-1983. The drinking window for my personal taste seems to be about 8-25 years from the vintage.
It sounds like a great event, a tutored tasting led by one of the family. Enjoy.
Alex
Since then, we have usually had one or two bottles of a relatively recent vintage lying around in the house. One of the things that I particularly like about Musar is that the wines are not released or sold until they are ready to be drunk (although they will improve further with additional bottle time).
I had the 1979 2-3 years ago. I'll be very interested to hear what you think of them as I felt it was a little tired and was declining. For me, the Musar wines that are at their best are from the vintages 1999-1983. The drinking window for my personal taste seems to be about 8-25 years from the vintage.
It sounds like a great event, a tutored tasting led by one of the family. Enjoy.
Alex
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Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Went to vertical a couple of weeks ago at Imperial College, tasting '99 thru to '93, and '89. Hadn't had Musar for a while, and it reminded me of the beautiful nose it has. The VA that it tends to have got quite overpowering after drinking through 8 vintages which also reminded me that it definitely requires food!
Generally better as it gets older, though I preferred '94, '89, and then possibly '93 or '95. My stock of '00 and '01 will therefore have to be left a while longer!
Generally better as it gets older, though I preferred '94, '89, and then possibly '93 or '95. My stock of '00 and '01 will therefore have to be left a while longer!
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
I didn't see this till now, but last Sunday I took a bottle of 2000 Chateau Musar to a dinner at Leslie's new house (She's part of a dry wine group I am part of called EWG) In was in many peoples top tier for the night. I loved it but thought that even at 9 years old it is still way to young. I have one more and stuck it away to age.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
I first came across Musar in 1991, in a restaurant in Harrogate and loved it. I have one or two bottles remaining from the mid nineties, will search them out. There is a second wine, simply called Hochar, which is pretty good as well.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Wish I'd known about that, I'd have made the effort to join the tasting. Who organised the event?angeleyes wrote:Went to vertical a couple of weeks ago at Imperial College, tasting '99 thru to '93
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
I'm a big fan of the wines of Musar. Although very atypical, the white Chateau Musar is also worthwhile, and capable of ageing. In addition to the second wine (Hochar), there is a third wine "Cuvee", which is very affordable and utterly quaffable.
LadyR and I visited the winery last summer (see here and click on the link in the TN). It was great and I would recommend going there to anyone who ever happens to be in Lebanon.
LadyR and I visited the winery last summer (see here and click on the link in the TN). It was great and I would recommend going there to anyone who ever happens to be in Lebanon.
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
It was the WES - http://www.wine-education-service.co.uk ... tings.html . They're doing a port and madeira tasting in December as well. Sandy Leckie (who hosted and was very knowledgable) says he does a Musar tasting every year. One for the diary methinks!AHB wrote:Wish I'd known about that, I'd have made the effort to join the tasting. Who organised the event?angeleyes wrote:Went to vertical a couple of weeks ago at Imperial College, tasting '99 thru to '93
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
I've read a lot about the white but never seen it anywhere, but would love to try. Thinking about it there was a good Lebanese restaurant called Kaslik on Greek St in Soho that had it, but we went for the red.RonnieRoots wrote:Although very atypical, the white Chateau Musar is also worthwhile, and capable of ageing.
Mark
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Now that I know you guys are Musar lovers, maybe I'll bring some mags with me to share. I have some beauties between 1988 and 1998 ... one or two young ones too. Great stuff, but so much better with a decade or three on 'em.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Never say no to Musar. Love them and I don't think they get the respect they deserve.Roy Hersh wrote:Now that I know you guys are Musar lovers, maybe I'll bring some mags with me to share. I have some beauties between 1988 and 1998 ... one or two young ones too. Great stuff, but so much better with a decade or three on 'em.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Sure wish they were more readily available.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Alas, couldn't wait any longer and cracked open an '01. Lovely stuff, a touch underdeveloped and tannins a little more evident than what I've noticed before. Lamb joint in the oven, they ought to go nicely together
Mark
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
There's another tasting at Imperial College on May 20th.
"Thursday 20th May (KEN) Chateau Musar - £45
Another chance to taste a range of mature wines from this world famous Lebanese property. This time, we will show two vintages of Serge Hochar's distinctive white wine and the '02, '01, '00, '99, 95 and '89 of his warm, spicy, Rhône-like red.
This tasting will be tutored by Sandy.
Availability - Good."
"Thursday 20th May (KEN) Chateau Musar - £45
Another chance to taste a range of mature wines from this world famous Lebanese property. This time, we will show two vintages of Serge Hochar's distinctive white wine and the '02, '01, '00, '99, 95 and '89 of his warm, spicy, Rhône-like red.
This tasting will be tutored by Sandy.
Availability - Good."
Mark
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Did anyone try the Musar from 1997?
- RonnieRoots
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Yes I tried it, but it was some time ago. Have a look here for the TN.
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
I tried it last October (along with several other vintages):smisse wrote:Did anyone try the Musar from 1997?
"Tasted in this order:
1999- dull red/brown, plums, sweet port-like smell, touch of mint. Plummy taste, tangy acidity
1998- similar colour to 99, smell very different- wood, vanilla, earthy. A little thinner, acidity quite refreshing
1997- deeper ruby colour; smell similar to 98 but stronger and more perfumed. Slightly fuller body than 98, with stronger acidity
1996- Red going tawny; meaty/umami nose with a touch of almonds. Richer and more rounded
1995- Deeper red brown; pungent almonds; wood and fruit coming out, and alcohol more noticable
1994- similar colour to 95; smell of farmyards/cow fields; sweeter taste
1993- no appearance note; smell similar but less strong to the 94; taste a little weaker and thinner
1989-no appearance note; farmyard smell, but different to 94 and 93 somehow. Warming and smoky."
Mark
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
thanks both. I can buy some for 12,50EUR / bottle and will take the opportunity now. Seems an interesting wine!
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
12,50 is a steal. A couple of years ago the standard price was between 25-30 euro.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
My thoughts exactly. Smisse, please buy as many as you can and we will retrieve them from you at the Dutch off-line. Happy to transfer cash upfront.RonnieRoots wrote:12,50 is a steal. A couple of years ago the standard price was between 25-30 euro.
Port is basically a red drink
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
A very good idea KillerB, I'll second that.KillerB wrote:My thoughts exactly. Smisse, please buy as many as you can and we will retrieve them from you at the Dutch off-line. Happy to transfer cash upfront.RonnieRoots wrote:12,50 is a steal. A couple of years ago the standard price was between 25-30 euro.
Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
I'll check how many he has available.
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Re: 1999 Chateau Musar
Thanks - that will be thoroughly appreciatedsmisse wrote:I'll check how many he has available.
Port is basically a red drink