Apostrophe crimes

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RonnieRoots » 15:09 Tue 10 Jan 2012

RAYC wrote:
Here, Ronnie Roots wrote:Berry's Own Crusted Port (bottled 2004)


Though, interestingly, not a mistake if Ronnie had instead stumbled across one of the ≤1983 BBR own-label ports, which were indeed labelled "Berry's Own Selection".

For some reason the apostrophe seems to have changed location between 1985 and 1987, since the 1985 labels (and subsequent labels) are "Berrys' Own Selection". (perhaps both Berrys started to select....!)

[apologies Ronnie - this was posted merely as a segue into a bit of trivia i noticed whilst re-arranging my cellar recently!]
I should note that officially I am exempt from this thread since I'm not a native speaker of English. :wink:

Quite interesting though. I had simply assumed it would be Berry's. I wonder why they changed it, perhaps because they found Berrys would be a better abbreviation of Berry Bros? (The Bros implying multiple Berrys etc etc?)
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 02:21 Thu 12 Jan 2012

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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby jdaw1 » 07:02 Thu 12 Jan 2012

➊ “Waterstones”? It is natural enough for names of corporate entities to shorten and simplify over time. No objection. Think of it as the simplest phonetic spelling of the traditional name of this shop.

➋ Every time email arrives announcing a new post in the Apostrophe crimes thread, I dread that I’ve made an error. My errors get no mercy — and deserve none.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 15:52 Thu 12 Jan 2012

jdaw1 wrote:➊ “Waterstones”? It is natural enough for names of corporate entities to shorten and simplify over time. No objection. Think of it as the simplest phonetic spelling of the traditional name of this shop.



perhaps, but - as noted in the press - the possessive apostrophe reflects the origins of the brand, and Sainsbury's and McDonald's can quite happily manage to keep it in their trading names without harming their online/digital presence. Still, a bit of free publicity at a good time...
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby jdaw1 » 17:40 Sun 15 Jan 2012

A sign outside the Tooting Methodist Church
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And if the apostrophe crime isn’t enough, the sign probably meant to refer to the Rights of Way Act 1932. Oh dear.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby Glenn E. » 16:46 Mon 16 Jan 2012

jdaw1 wrote:A sign outside the Tooting Methodist Church
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And if the apostrophe crime isn’t enough, the sign probably meant to refer to the Rights of Way Act 1932. Oh dear.

Is the period after Act not also an error? Or is Act an abbreviation that I don't understand?
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby jdaw1 » 22:59 Thu 19 Jan 2012

Glenn E. wrote:Is the period after Act not also an error?
Probably another error.

Cambridge & District CAMRA, to promote the 16th Cambridge Winter Ale Festival, wrote:The Cambridge Winter Ale Festival had a brief outing in 1986, before starting it's current run in 1997.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 12:31 Fri 20 Jan 2012

Here, Uncle Tom wrote:The one's in the lodge were in individual sealed sterile pouches,
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby JacobH » 11:22 Sat 21 Jan 2012

jdaw1 wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:Is the period after Act not also an error?
Probably another error.
I’m not even sure that that sign would have any effect in preventing some sort of easement being established by prescription (which is its presumed intention)...
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby jdaw1 » 06:23 Sun 05 Feb 2012

Is this an apostrophe crime?
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 01:21 Tue 07 Feb 2012

so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby DRT » 01:33 Tue 07 Feb 2012

RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 01:37 Tue 07 Feb 2012

DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.


Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby DRT » 01:37 Tue 07 Feb 2012

In the post above this with pictures of Sandeman bottles, jdaw1 wrote:Is this an apostrophe crime?
No. If written in a different context, yes, but this is a brand. For whatever reason, the owners of Sandeman have decided to give up the English language and drop the possessive. That is their choice, and is perfectly valid.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby DRT » 01:40 Tue 07 Feb 2012

RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.


Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 01:48 Tue 07 Feb 2012

DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.


Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.


In which case the judgment of the Judge who sent you there was correct!
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby DRT » 01:55 Tue 07 Feb 2012

RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.


Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.


In which case the judgment of the Judge who sent you there was correct!

Is it too late to plead diminished responsibility due to Dow Trademark Reserve?
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 03:14 Tue 07 Feb 2012

DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.


Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.


In which case the judgment of the Judge who sent you there was correct!

Is it too late to plead diminished responsibility due to Dow Trademark Reserve?

On checking, OED actually seems to be rather non-committal on the point, so maybe i will wait to see if anyone considers that i did actually err before saying any more!
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby PhilW » 08:42 Tue 07 Feb 2012

DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:
DRT wrote:
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....

Here, RAYC wrote:assuming that there's at least one person whose judgment you trust at every tasting!!
I'm missing the problem.


Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.

Can't see anything wrong with your sentence, contraction of "there is" to "there's" seems valid with singular target; I guess I may have to head to jail too; though fortunately not in the US or victorian gaol with Derek ;)
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby RAYC » 10:38 Tue 07 Feb 2012

I had always thought that proper usage dictates the use of "judgment" (with no "e") in a legal context when referring to a legal decision whereas "judgement" (with an "e") should be used in expressions of personal opinion.

The Americans, naturally, did not like this and as far as i am aware tend to use "judgment" in all circumstances. However, I was able to get comfortable that the title of one of my favourite childhood films, "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", was not incorrect on the basis that "judgment" in a religious context also tends to be without the "e".
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby AHB » 10:44 Thu 09 Feb 2012

RAYC wrote:I had always thought that proper usage dictates the use of "judgment" (with no "e") in a legal context when referring to a legal decision whereas "judgement" (with an "e") should be used in expressions of personal opinion.

The Americans, naturally, did not like this and as far as i am aware tend to use "judgment" in all circumstances. However, I was able to get comfortable that the title of one of my favourite childhood films, "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", was not incorrect on the basis that "judgment" in a religious context also tends to be without the "e".

If thats why you self-posted then youre guilty of an e-crime and not one of this threads crimes* Start another thread for e-cimes.



* taking full advantage of a comment JDAW made some years ago that missing or erroneous apostrophe's in this thread we're considered to be attempts at humor and not reportable crime's
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby jdaw1 » 21:48 Thu 09 Feb 2012

This thread is also used for reports of crimes of similar import. Carry on.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby jdaw1 » 11:09 Sun 12 Feb 2012

Here, on :ftlop:, J. D. A. Wiseman wrote:
J. D. A. Wiseman wrote:
Derek T. wrote:is slightly anarchic.
Derek might even have meant this.
So I am in the awkward, even embarrassing, situation, of having accused DRT of mis-quoting Fowler, when he hadn’t. Ooops. Sorry. Sackcloth-and-ashes.
Not an AC, but plenty crime enough.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby DRT » 11:47 Sun 12 Feb 2012

jdaw1 wrote:
Here, on :ftlop:, J. D. A. Wiseman wrote:
J. D. A. Wiseman wrote:
Derek T. wrote:is slightly anarchic.
Derek might even have meant this.
So I am in the awkward, even embarrassing, situation, of having accused DRT of mis-quoting Fowler, when he hadn’t. Ooops. Sorry. Sackcloth-and-ashes.
Not an AC, but plenty crime enough.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Postby JacobH » 20:13 Sun 12 Feb 2012

DRT wrote:
In the post above this with pictures of Sandeman bottles, jdaw1 wrote:Is this an apostrophe crime?
No. If written in a different context, yes, but this is a brand. For whatever reason, the owners of Sandeman have decided to give up the English language and drop the possessive. That is their choice, and is perfectly valid.
I would be more likely to accept this were Sandeman to have had more than one founder. Their Partners Port is, perhaps, therefore, less objectionable.
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