Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
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I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
On an unrelated topic, this is an unusual apostrophe crime, committed by ‟Taylor‘s”:

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Agreed, but i am not just going by the labels on their bottles.JacobH wrote:I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
Perusing the C. da Silva website and blog, the majority of references are to DALVA (capitalised) . Likewise on the C. da Silva/DALVA facebook page. There are a couple of rogue references to "Dalva" that have crept in (particularly where they are quoting wine critics/magazines), but i think these are in the minority. Worth referring to Goncalo?
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Rob C.
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Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.JacobH wrote:Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
Rob C.
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Alas, no more.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
Glenn Elliott
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Glenn E. wrote:Alas, no more.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.

Rob C.
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Edit: this complaint withdrawn, with apologies see below.[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor.
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The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.jdaw1 wrote:[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Correct!DRT wrote:The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.jdaw1 wrote:[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor.
Glenn Elliott
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Then my complaint is withdrawn, with apologies.
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My mentor will be very pleased that I noticed.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5888&p=49729#p49729]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:Be thankful he didn't steal you're Port too
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I don't know what you speak of, the link shows it correctly spelledDRT wrote:[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5888&p=49729#p49729]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:Be thankful he didn't steal you're Port too


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Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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Is this an Oxford comma thing?jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Ernest H. Cockburn
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Spelling, punctuation, and grammar?DRT wrote:Is this an Oxford comma thing?jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=39367#p39367]Here[/url] Cookie wrote:1. His Excellency Dr Joao de Vallera
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So great that I can't spot itRAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser

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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser

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I was searching for a misplaced or missing apostrophe
Very funny

Very funny

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I’m going to have to return to this puzzle.
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That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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I’m glad AHB asked the question I was thinking about, too!AHB wrote:That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
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I counted three.[url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/ftlopforum/viewtopic.php?p=80366#p80366]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:And lets not forget that those storms that do hit land, depending on trajectory, are often stopped, reduced in severity, or significantly slowed down by the Marao mountain range. And lets not forget that just because it rained at Quinta A doesn't mean it rained at Quinta's B,C,D,E,F,G,H....
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Be quiet and go get another drinkDRT wrote:I counted three.[url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/ftlopforum/viewtopic.php?p=80366#p80366]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:And lets not forget that those storms that do hit land, depending on trajectory, are often stopped, reduced in severity, or significantly slowed down by the Marao mountain range. And lets not forget that just because it rained at Quinta A doesn't mean it rained at Quinta's B,C,D,E,F,G,H....

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There are two possibilities.RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
1. There is an amusing error that I have failed to see.
2. Mornington-Cresent style, there has been an agreement to set me a futile puzzle.
Neither hypothesis has yet been eliminated.
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Captain, the chickens are getting restless!jdaw1 wrote:There are two possibilities.RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
1. There is an amusing error that I have failed to see.
2. Mornington-Cresent style, there has been an agreement to set me a futile puzzle.
Neither hypothesis has yet been eliminated.
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CLUE: Apostrophe pedants will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.jdaw1 wrote:There are two possibilities.RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
1. There is an amusing error that I have failed to see.
2. Mornington-Cresent style, there has been an agreement to set me a futile puzzle.
Neither hypothesis has yet been eliminated.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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These t-shirts hit the news this week and have caused much discussion, but surprisingly little outrage at the disgraceful apostrophe abuse!


Rob C.
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Please could somebody brighter than me explain how the hyphenation survived the BoE’s proofing process?Andrew Gracie, Director, Special Resolution Unit, Bank of England, in a speech entitled [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2012/speech600.pdf]A practical process for implementing a bail-in resolution power[/url], wrote:These standards form part of a global solution to a global problem that of ‟too-big-to fail” and the avoidance of state-sponsored bail-out of the biggest international banks - or G-SIFIs in the parlance of the FSB.
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Was it because they are stupid?jdaw1 wrote:Please could somebody brighter than me explain how the hyphenation survived the BoE’s proofing process?Andrew Gracie, Director, Special Resolution Unit, Bank of England, in a speech entitled [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2012/speech600.pdf]A practical process for implementing a bail-in resolution power[/url], wrote:These standards form part of a global solution to a global problem that of ‟too-big-to fail” and the avoidance of state-sponsored bail-out of the biggest international banks - or G-SIFIs in the parlance of the FSB.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Sackcloth and ashes.jdaw1, in an email, wrote:Reminder of whatÂ’s available:
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Police bail has been granted in return for self-disclosure.jdaw1 wrote:Sackcloth and ashes.jdaw1, in an email, wrote:Reminder of whatÂ’s available:
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
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That how financial regulation works. Those who self-disclose, and who are then massively helpful, get in just as much trouble, but are told that they aren’t.DRT wrote:Police bail has been granted in return for self-disclosure.
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In fairness to the Old Girl’s proof-readers, it doesn’t sound so bad when read out.jdaw1 wrote:Please could somebody brighter than me explain how the hyphenation survived the BoE’s proofing process?Andrew Gracie, Director, Special Resolution Unit, Bank of England, in a speech entitled [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2012/speech600.pdf]A practical process for implementing a bail-in resolution power[/url], wrote:These standards form part of a global solution to a global problem that of ‟too-big-to fail” and the avoidance of state-sponsored bail-out of the biggest international banks - or G-SIFIs in the parlance of the FSB.
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JGH and DRT can share a prize for mangling of BBcode.
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{sackcloth and ashes}JacobH wrote:jdaw1 wrote:JGH and DRT can share a prize for mangling of BBcode.
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=52294#p52294]Here[/url] Christopher wrote:the historical greatness of Cockburn before it lost it's way
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1/42 must put Christopher near the top of the crime league?jdaw1 wrote:[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=52294#p52294]Here[/url] Christopher wrote:the historical greatness of Cockburn before it lost it's way
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
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oh dear....
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9579295/Father-killed-his-two-children-and-then-himself-after-family-split.html]here[/url], The Telegraph wrote:There was no sign of the Mrs Pedersen at the neat and tidy £310,000 pounds property.
Rob C.
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The phrasing is clunky; the redundant definite article is, well, redundant; but I can forgive the missing hyphen. What’s the complaint?RAYC wrote:oh dear....
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9579295/Father-killed-his-two-children-and-then-himself-after-family-split.html]here[/url], The Telegraph wrote:There was no sign of the Mrs Pedersen at the neat and tidy £310,000 pounds property.
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Head far above parapet. Humiliation expected.
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Personally, i would accept either "£310,000" or "three hundred and ten thousand pounds", but use of the "£" symbol and the word "pounds" does not seem right to mejdaw1 wrote:The phrasing is clunky; the redundant definite article is, well, redundant; but I can forgive the missing hyphen. What’s the complaint?RAYC wrote:oh dear....
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9579295/Father-killed-his-two-children-and-then-himself-after-family-split.html]here[/url], The Telegraph wrote:There was no sign of the Mrs Pedersen at the neat and tidy £310,000 pounds property.
(Note: i'm referring here to casual use in the context of a newspaper article, rather than contract or more technical usage that i know you have written abut in your book. But even then, their usage would fail to meet the standards you advocate. Either the word "sterling" following the word "pounds" or the acronym "GBP" preceding the figure would be required to avoid all possibility of confusion)
Rob C.
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I failed to notice the squared currency.
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RAYC wrote:oh dear....
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9579295/Father-killed-his-two-children-and-then-himself-after-family-split.html]here[/url], The Telegraph wrote:There was no sign of the Mrs Pedersen at the neat and tidy £310,000 pounds property.
You will now hopefully all understand the difficulties I face in trying to publish "The Book"jdaw1 wrote:I failed to notice the squared currency.

Especially because I am far worse than JDAW at noticing stuff!
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Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
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What book?DRT wrote:trying to publish "The Book"
