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RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?
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RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...

On an unrelated topic, this is an unusual apostrophe crime, committed by ‟Taylor‘s”:
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JacobH wrote:
RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...
Agreed, but i am not just going by the labels on their bottles.

Perusing the C. da Silva website and blog, the majority of references are to DALVA (capitalised) . Likewise on the C. da Silva/DALVA facebook page. There are a couple of rogue references to "Dalva" that have crept in (particularly where they are quoting wine critics/magazines), but i think these are in the minority. Worth referring to Goncalo?
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JacobH wrote:
RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?
Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
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DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
Alas, no more.
RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.
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Glenn E. wrote:
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
Alas, no more.
RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.
:wink: very good - so quick!
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[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor. ;-)
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jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor. ;-)
The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.
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DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor. ;-)
The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.
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Then my complaint is withdrawn, with apologies.
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I don't know what you speak of, the link shows it correctly spelled :lol: :lol:
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Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
Is this an Oxford comma thing?
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DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
Is this an Oxford comma thing?
Spelling, punctuation, and grammar?
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=39367#p39367]Here[/url] Cookie wrote:1. His Excellency Dr Joao de Vallera
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A great error from House of Fraser
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
So great that I can't spot it :?
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
:D Love it - Jacob should approve!
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I was searching for a misplaced or missing apostrophe :QuotePedant:

Very funny :lol:
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I’m going to have to return to this puzzle.
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?
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AHB wrote:
RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?
I’m glad AHB asked the question I was thinking about, too!
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[url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/ftlopforum/viewtopic.php?p=80366#p80366]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:And lets not forget that those storms that do hit land, depending on trajectory, are often stopped, reduced in severity, or significantly slowed down by the Marao mountain range. And lets not forget that just because it rained at Quinta A doesn't mean it rained at Quinta's B,C,D,E,F,G,H....
I counted three.
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DRT wrote:
[url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/ftlopforum/viewtopic.php?p=80366#p80366]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:And lets not forget that those storms that do hit land, depending on trajectory, are often stopped, reduced in severity, or significantly slowed down by the Marao mountain range. And lets not forget that just because it rained at Quinta A doesn't mean it rained at Quinta's B,C,D,E,F,G,H....
I counted three.
Be quiet and go get another drink :lol:
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
There are two possibilities.

1. There is an amusing error that I have failed to see.

2. Mornington-Cresent style, there has been an agreement to set me a futile puzzle.

Neither hypothesis has yet been eliminated.
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jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
There are two possibilities.

1. There is an amusing error that I have failed to see.

2. Mornington-Cresent style, there has been an agreement to set me a futile puzzle.

Neither hypothesis has yet been eliminated.
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Here is a traditional apostrophe crime :)

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/08/08/327625/
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jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
There are two possibilities.

1. There is an amusing error that I have failed to see.

2. Mornington-Cresent style, there has been an agreement to set me a futile puzzle.

Neither hypothesis has yet been eliminated.
CLUE: Apostrophe pedants will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
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These t-shirts hit the news this week and have caused much discussion, but surprisingly little outrage at the disgraceful apostrophe abuse!

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Andrew Gracie, Director, Special Resolution Unit, Bank of England, in a speech entitled [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2012/speech600.pdf]A practical process for implementing a bail-in resolution power[/url], wrote:These standards form part of a global solution to a global problem that of ‟too-big-to fail” and the avoidance of state-sponsored bail-out of the biggest international banks - or G-SIFIs in the parlance of the FSB.
Please could somebody brighter than me explain how the hyphenation survived the BoE’s proofing process?
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jdaw1 wrote:
Andrew Gracie, Director, Special Resolution Unit, Bank of England, in a speech entitled [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2012/speech600.pdf]A practical process for implementing a bail-in resolution power[/url], wrote:These standards form part of a global solution to a global problem that of ‟too-big-to fail” and the avoidance of state-sponsored bail-out of the biggest international banks - or G-SIFIs in the parlance of the FSB.
Please could somebody brighter than me explain how the hyphenation survived the BoE’s proofing process?
Was it because they are stupid?
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jdaw1, in an email, wrote:Reminder of whatÂ’s available:
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jdaw1 wrote:
jdaw1, in an email, wrote:Reminder of whatÂ’s available:
Sackcloth and ashes.
Police bail has been granted in return for self-disclosure.
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DRT wrote:Police bail has been granted in return for self-disclosure.
That how financial regulation works. Those who self-disclose, and who are then massively helpful, get in just as much trouble, but are told that they aren’t.
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jdaw1 wrote:
Andrew Gracie, Director, Special Resolution Unit, Bank of England, in a speech entitled [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/speeches/2012/speech600.pdf]A practical process for implementing a bail-in resolution power[/url], wrote:These standards form part of a global solution to a global problem that of ‟too-big-to fail” and the avoidance of state-sponsored bail-out of the biggest international banks - or G-SIFIs in the parlance of the FSB.
Please could somebody brighter than me explain how the hyphenation survived the BoE’s proofing process?
In fairness to the Old Girl’s proof-readers, it doesn’t sound so bad when read out.
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JGH and DRT can share a prize for mangling of BBcode.
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jdaw1 wrote:JGH and DRT can share a prize for mangling of BBcode.
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JacobH wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:JGH and DRT can share a prize for mangling of BBcode.
:oops:
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=52294#p52294]Here[/url] Christopher wrote:the historical greatness of Cockburn before it lost it's way
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jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=52294#p52294]Here[/url] Christopher wrote:the historical greatness of Cockburn before it lost it's way
1/42 must put Christopher near the top of the crime league?
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oh dear....
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RAYC wrote:oh dear....
The phrasing is clunky; the redundant definite article is, well, redundant; but I can forgive the missing hyphen. What’s the complaint?
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Head far above parapet. Humiliation expected.
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jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:oh dear....
The phrasing is clunky; the redundant definite article is, well, redundant; but I can forgive the missing hyphen. What’s the complaint?
Personally, i would accept either "£310,000" or "three hundred and ten thousand pounds", but use of the "£" symbol and the word "pounds" does not seem right to me

(Note: i'm referring here to casual use in the context of a newspaper article, rather than contract or more technical usage that i know you have written abut in your book. But even then, their usage would fail to meet the standards you advocate. Either the word "sterling" following the word "pounds" or the acronym "GBP" preceding the figure would be required to avoid all possibility of confusion)
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I failed to notice the squared currency.
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RAYC wrote:oh dear....
jdaw1 wrote:I failed to notice the squared currency.
You will now hopefully all understand the difficulties I face in trying to publish "The Book" :roll:


Especially because I am far worse than JDAW at noticing stuff!
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DRT wrote:trying to publish "The Book"
What book? :?:
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