Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 22:18 Wed 01 Jan 2014
AHB wrote:I've just noticed that Quinta do Sagrado 2011 is missing from the list of declarations. They filled 2,700 bottles.
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2011 Declarations
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Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 20:26 Mon 03 Feb 2014
With JDAW's permission, I have added production volumes and a handful of new shippers to the first post on this thread.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 19:37 Tue 04 Feb 2014
Glad I could help! 
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 21:41 Tue 04 Feb 2014
I have a question as to some of the ports that are being confirmed as a "declaration" in the first post.
Are we simply talking about how many differently-labelled bottles of port there are on the market?
Or are we talking more technically about how many individual blends have been approved by the IVDP and for which there is a supporting IVDP certificate? (see here for 2011 Quevedo VP certificate and here for a good article on the approval process, including the need to disclose exact numbers of bottles...)
Or, to put it another way by choosing just one of the many examples: according to the convention that is intended in the first post, would Niepoort Secundum 1999 VP and Fortnum & Mason 1999 VP be regarded as the same "declaration" or as two separate "declarations"?
Are we simply talking about how many differently-labelled bottles of port there are on the market?
Or are we talking more technically about how many individual blends have been approved by the IVDP and for which there is a supporting IVDP certificate? (see here for 2011 Quevedo VP certificate and here for a good article on the approval process, including the need to disclose exact numbers of bottles...)
Or, to put it another way by choosing just one of the many examples: according to the convention that is intended in the first post, would Niepoort Secundum 1999 VP and Fortnum & Mason 1999 VP be regarded as the same "declaration" or as two separate "declarations"?
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 21:46 Tue 04 Feb 2014
I am amazed at the volume of Romaneira produced.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 21:55 Tue 04 Feb 2014
It is easier for us to see labels than blends, for which reason it probably lies on that side. (Though obviously Danish-label G11 is deemed to equal USA-label G11.)RAYC wrote:Or, to put it another way by choosing just one of the many examples: according to the convention that is intended in the first post, would Niepoort Secundum 1999 VP and Fortnum & Mason 1999 VP be regarded as the same "declaration" or as two separate "declarations"?
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 22:03 Tue 04 Feb 2014
Sounds sensible.jdaw1 wrote:It is easier for us to see labels than blends, for which reason it probably lies on that side.
So for consistency, should we include Tanners 2011 b.o.b (with a note that it is confirmed as the same blend as Skeffington)?
Likewise, should e.g.: the SFE "Wine Society" bottling carry a note indicating that we are not sure whether this is a unique / bespoke blend?
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 22:17 Tue 04 Feb 2014
Tanners wrote:Most of our House Ports are produced by Churchill Graham, apart from our Tanners Fine Reserve Port, which we source from Fonseca. If you want to buy a Port to drink with the minimum of fuss i.e. no decanting or ageing ”“ then our Fine Reserve Port or Tanners LBV will fit the bill perfectly.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 23:17 Tue 04 Feb 2014
Same here... if that 7,000 case number is true we will be drinking a lot of it at a great QPR.RAYC wrote:I am amazed at the volume of Romaneira produced.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 23:50 Tue 04 Feb 2014
jdaw1 wrote:Tanners wrote:Most of our House Ports are produced by Churchill Graham, apart from our Tanners Fine Reserve Port, which we source from Fonseca. If you want to buy a Port to drink with the minimum of fuss i.e. no decanting or ageing ”“ then our Fine Reserve Port or Tanners LBV will fit the bill perfectly.
See also here[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6805&p=56990&hilit=Tanners#p56990]here[/url], jdaw1 wrote:In the video Adrian Bridge describes a Pipe as ‟60 dozen”. Interesting.RAYC wrote:Tanners are releasing an own-label 2011 (i think it is Skeffington)
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 00:04 Wed 05 Feb 2014
Delighted I was able to pick up a few more labels to add to the list.Roy Hersh wrote:Glad I could help!
On a different thread, I plan to compare our impressions as there are some real differences which make me want to go back and revisit some of the ports I tried last summer. Very interesting and thought provoking.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 00:42 Wed 05 Feb 2014
Not sure why you are astonished. QdR is one of the largest quintas in the Douro and this output is smaller than Graham and Taylor.Miguel Simoes wrote:Same here... if that 7,000 case number is true we will be drinking a lot of it at a great QPR.RAYC wrote:I am amazed at the volume of Romaneira produced.
To give context to my use of the word "largest", the driveway from the gate to the quinta house is 7km
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 04:51 Wed 05 Feb 2014
Not to mention the extremely large riverfront land mass. Likely the greatest of any quinta that comes to mind.
My Romaneira production number came directly from the source.
My Romaneira production number came directly from the source.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 09:37 Wed 05 Feb 2014
Not sure whether you are being facile, but i'll give you a few reasons why i am astonished that Romaneira could be the third largest production of all 2011 vintage ports:DRT wrote:Not sure why you are astonished. QdR is one of the largest quintas in the Douro and this output is smaller than Graham and Taylor.
- huge quinta - yes. But area actually under vine is stated now as 85 hectares - not so huge by comparison e.g.: to Graham vineyards (240ish hectares under vine according to Malvedos blog), particularly when you consider that the proportion of those Romaneira vines old enough to be producing VP quality grapes in 2011 was presumably much smaller (only 36 hectares of vineyard in 2004, for instance)
- need to take into account Romaneira's stated primary focus on Douro wine rather than port (according to Romaneira website - but this tallies with the impression i have always had of the Romaneira project, even if it does have a particularly good 40yr tawny)
- general low profile / visibility / availability of its port in the UK
- 2008 VP production was only 5,900 bottles according to Roy's article on FTLOP link. I accept that production can be scaled up in good years (cf. Warre's 500 cases in 2009 and 3000 cases in 2011), but even so i am surprised at the difference between the quoted production numbers for those two declarations.
- Wine Spectator article about the recent developments in ownership from January last year which gives a quote of 12,500 annual case production for everything that comes out of the quinta, of which only 20% is port (and presumably an even smaller proportion is VP).
[url=http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/47914]here[/url], in January 2013, Wine Spectator wrote:Today, 80 percent of the winery's production is table wine and 20 percent is Port. The total production reaches to 12,500 cases yearly, for a total annual revenue of about $1.33 million
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 01:34 Fri 07 Feb 2014
This thread diverged into a different discussion, which can now be found here.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 02:26 Fri 07 Feb 2014
In terms if RCV production numbers, as well as 500 cases of Delaforce and 500 cases of Carvalhas, there were 6000 bottles of a third blend, of which 4,500 bottles are under the RCV label and 1,500 bottles are under the RO label. Source is from the company and I will report the name of the individual once I've worked out definitively how to spell it!
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 13:57 Thu 20 Mar 2014
I add 2 more 2011 vintage to the list.
- Fafide.
- Castelo D`Alba.
The link to the winemaker webpage:
http://www.ruimadeira.pt/en/?/vinhos
- Fafide.
- Castelo D`Alba.
The link to the winemaker webpage:
http://www.ruimadeira.pt/en/?/vinhos
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 15:43 Thu 20 Mar 2014
Thank you: done.
And welcome to ThePortForum.com.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 01:07 Sat 22 Mar 2014
I am not sure what qualifies as Declared, but
Quinta da Gricha
from Churchill, is also being sold, so would you add it to the list? If you need it, I have proof from the opimian offering 223.
Quinta da Gricha
from Churchill, is also being sold, so would you add it to the list? If you need it, I have proof from the opimian offering 223.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 11:07 Sat 22 Mar 2014
Please do post the ‘proof’, as churchills-wineshop.com has only one 2011, the full blend.gardenhose wrote:I have proof from the opimian offering 223.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 17:28 Sat 22 Mar 2014
It is saved in PDF form on my computer, just one page with the information on it. Is there a way I could upload it as an image?
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 23:34 Tue 25 Mar 2014
The easiest way is probably to email it to me or one of the other admins. Let me know if you need my email address.gardenhose wrote:It is saved in PDF form on my computer, just one page with the information on it. Is there a way I could upload it as an image?
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 23:36 Tue 25 Mar 2014
I suspect that the Canadian company has made an error, and need to call them.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 04:17 Wed 26 Mar 2014
I shall call opimian about it. But I sent the pdf to jdaw which included a little picture of the label, and it says Quinta da gricha 2011. We will know for sure when it ships in June.
Re: 2011 Declarations
Posted: 16:52 Wed 26 Mar 2014
I just received an email from churchill's stating that they are indeed releasing a small amount of the 2011 Quinta da Gricha, mostly in magnums, this year. Opimian secured a small batch that were bottled in 750s and sold directly to their members.