Re: Port brand abbreviations
Posted: 07:36 Sun 23 Apr 2023
While on the letter P, can we grab Pe for Petre’s Port? We have tasting notes for 3 vintages in the index and I’m sure there are at least another couple of vintages about.
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No objection.Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:36 Sun 23 Apr 2023While on the letter P, can we grab Pe for Petre’s Port? We have tasting notes for 3 vintages in the index and I’m sure there are at least another couple of vintages about.
Fine by me also. FYI, the VPID includes photos of 75, 80, 82 and 90 for Petre's brand, while the tasting note index has notes for 90, 94 and 95. So at least six vintages in total, more than enough to justify its own abbreviation.jdaw1 wrote: ↑20:12 Sun 23 Apr 2023No objection.Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:36 Sun 23 Apr 2023While on the letter P, can we grab Pe for Petre’s Port? We have tasting notes for 3 vintages in the index and I’m sure there are at least another couple of vintages about.
Works for me.Alex Bridgeman wrote:While on the letter P, can we grab Pe for Petre’s Port? We have tasting notes for 3 vintages in the index and I’m sure there are at least another couple of vintages about.
Three years ago we discussed Mourão ≈ São Leonardo, but failed to conclude. Using Mr for Mourão was unpopular. So should it be SL = São Leonardo for both?jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:59 Wed 26 Aug 2020We seem to be veering toward SL. Should we ask? Please could whoever is best connected send this link, also asking that they peruse the first post of this thread?
One could dispute whether we are all full-strength pedants, rather than some of us being somewhat pedantic, but your message is well taken.
I have only seen San Leonardo branding on their ports, both tawnies/Colheitas/white and vintage; so yes agree, SL.jdaw1 wrote:Three years ago we discussed Mourão ≈ São Leonardo, but failed to conclude. Using Mr for Mourão was unpopular. So should it be SL = São Leonardo for both?jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:59 Wed 26 Aug 2020We seem to be veering toward SL. Should we ask? Please could whoever is best connected send this link, also asking that they peruse the first post of this thread?
One could dispute whether we are all full-strength pedants, rather than some of us being somewhat pedantic, but your message is well taken.
I say yes: SL for São Leonardo and for Mourão. Objections? (Objections must be accompanied by a better suggestion.)
Point taken. Though I was talking about Port, I wasn't aware that they used "Quinta do Mourão" as a brand on any table wine either.
has been added to the first post.SL = São Leonardo
jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:44 Fri 08 Sep 2023 First post has images of the current draft of the placemats.
Dm chosen as the abbreviation for Dolamore, as it was in October 2013 (second session, page 2, top). NB: Dl = Dalva; DM = Quinta Dona Matilde.
Ick. While allowed, having both DM and Dm seems ripe to cause confusion.jdaw1 wrote: ↑09:41 Sat 09 Sep 2023 Dm = Dolamore?jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:44 Fri 08 Sep 2023 First post has images of the current draft of the placemats.
Dm chosen as the abbreviation for Dolamore, as it was in October 2013 (second session, page 2, top). NB: Dl = Dalva; DM = Quinta Dona Matilde.
I'm less worried about Dm vs DM. We already have similarly VZ (Van Zeller) vs Vz (Quinta de Ventozelo), and I suspect there will be others.
No good question should go unanswered; to the best of my knowledge:
Would be nice to make a decision on this for an upcoming tasting in.... 5 days. I personally think Mo is suitable. Julian, apologies for not following the first rule of making placemats.Glenn E. wrote: ↑01:33 Sat 26 Aug 2023 Quinta do Mourão has two brands: São Leonardo and Rio Bom. Miguel told me that they are the same wine but branded for different markets. I don't believe that they actually use "Quinta do Mourão" as a brand on any IVDP-approved labels because... and it's only a vague memory... I think I was told that they do not own the rights to that brand much like Quinta do Silval does not own the rights to "Silval" on a label (Noval does).
Which is a long way of saying that I do not think that QM or Mr is appropriate, but also that SL should potentially only serve for SL-branded bottles. The other bottles should theoretically be RB.
I believe we did, and you're looking for SL30yt for your San Leonardo 30 year tawny from Quinta do Mourao.akzy wrote: Would be nice to make a decision on this for an upcoming tasting in.... 5 days. I personally think Mo is suitable. Julian, apologies for not following the first rule of making placemats.
SL = São Leonardo
Referencing earlier discussion, we have previously only assigned permanent abbreviations for brands which have released vintage ports for ~3 vintages or more; do these meet that criteria? is that criteria still reasonable?jdaw1 wrote: ↑19:17 Wed 15 May 2024 For the Young Turks tasting, more abbreviations are needed. Please comment on the following.
Ph, for Quinta da Pacheca? Observe that already blocked are PA (Quinta da Pedra Alta), Pç (Poças), and Pe (Petre).
Gv, for Quinta da Gaivosa?
Tc, for Tecedeiras?
SO, for Quinta Seara D’Ordens?
Po for Quinta do Pessegueiro? Observe that already blocked are Pe (Petre), Ps (Passadouro), Pg (Pego), and Pi (Pintas).
Very reasonable. And I had forgotten that.
Website has multiple tawnies, two LBVs, and zero VPs. ⟹︎ No permanent abbreviation. But anyway, I’m changing my mind for this temporary abbreviation to Pa.jdaw1 wrote: ↑19:17 Wed 15 May 2024Ph, for Quinta da Pacheca? Observe that already blocked are PA (Quinta da Pedra Alta), Pç (Poças), and Pe (Petre).
No website; internet knows of VPs 2015 and 2017. ⟹︎ No permanent abbreviation.
Website knows of Vintages 2016 and 2017 with other online evidence of a 2008, and LBVs 2014 and 2015. Also, unlike the table wine, it is “Quinta das Tecedeiras”. ⟹︎ Yes, this is a question. Tc?
Website has VPs from every year 2013–2021. ⟹︎ Yes, this is a question. SO?
Website has VPs 2014, ’16, ’17, ’18. ⟹︎ Yes, this is a question. Po?jdaw1 wrote: ↑19:17 Wed 15 May 2024Po for Quinta do Pessegueiro? Observe that already blocked are Pe (Petre), Ps (Passadouro), Pg (Pego), and Pi (Pintas).