Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 22:17 Mon 03 Jan 2022
I haven’t understood what consequence came of the one-handedness.
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A cork pusher
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Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 22:23 Mon 03 Jan 2022
More complicated to make, and a piece to be lost.flash_uk wrote: ↑21:36 Mon 03 Jan 2022Late to this discussion, the most important design factor in my mind is the piston width. As others have already noted, pressure at the cork edge is paramount to prevent a ripped/hollowed cork. Given this, should there be some way to have varied piston widths?
How about four pistons, 14-17mm, each 20mm long, but with holes drilled through at 2, 4, 8mm. Supply with a round bar that slots into the drilled hole, to stop the piston in the bottle neck at the desired depth.
Said round bar could be stored vertically in one of the pistons.
Bottles seem to have a necks of at least 17mm, so 16mm will fit all. If your bottle is very wide, the pusher can be rotated to round to apply pressure at the edges.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 22:25 Mon 03 Jan 2022
Comparing with bottle openers chez Wiseman, they all seem to have an aperture wider than 16mm. So perhaps the suggestion, despite enthusiasm, is withdrawn.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 23:07 Mon 03 Jan 2022
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 23:20 Mon 03 Jan 2022
The grubbiness of the top of a cork is an issue. I seem to be able to manage it by diligently cleaning with cloth or green scratchy or even scraping the top carefully with a knife before pushing the cork in.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 23:58 Mon 03 Jan 2022
As of 22:55 Mon 03 Jan 2022. Volume ≈ 5970 mm³. Aluminium density ≈ 2710 kg m⁻³ ⟹︎ weight ≈ 16.2 g.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 00:01 Tue 04 Jan 2022
Some non-TPFers are being asked for an opinion, so ordering likely won’t happen this week. Perhaps next.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 00:50 Tue 04 Jan 2022
this relates to your suggestion of placing the 2mm piston in the middle but would apply regardless of that. Your description made me think of an unsupported bottle standing on a worktop or table with a user grasping the pusher-in-thing with two hands bearing down on the cork. A minor slip would lead to disaster. I want a hand on the bottle.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 09:54 Tue 04 Jan 2022
Hence my confusion. I had envisaged always always this device being one-handed, so that the other hand could firmly grasp the absence of disaster. Maybe I should have said that explicitly.DRT wrote: ↑00:50 Tue 04 Jan 2022this relates to your suggestion of placing the 2mm piston in the middle but would apply regardless of that. Your description made me think of an unsupported bottle standing on a worktop or table with a user grasping the pusher-in-thing with two hands bearing down on the cork. A minor slip would lead to disaster. I want a hand on the bottle.
Still, marginally easiest to use with the middle piston.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 09:55 Tue 04 Jan 2022
It occurred to me yesterday that if you wanted to produce a prototype of this with minimal tools, some thumb screws with a 16mm flat head might do the trick. They don’t make one with a 2mm thick head but do make them with 3.5mm ones and 9.5mm ones which is pretty close to the sizes being discussed here. You could probably produce something quite close to the finished product by taking a piece of 2mm flat steel bar; drilling & tapping a couple of holes in it; screwing these in; and then cutting the thread flush with the back of the plate.
https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Kno ... ess_Steel/
https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Kno ... ess_Steel/
https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Kno ... ess_Steel/
https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Kno ... ess_Steel/
I appreciate it might sound a bit less glamorous than this tool but I wonder if a M16 bolt would do the trick for one-handed operation since you could push straight down whilst holding the bottle in the other hand. A nut would allow you to set the maximum depth, too.DRT wrote: ↑00:50 Tue 04 Jan 2022this relates to your suggestion of placing the 2mm piston in the middle but would apply regardless of that. Your description made me think of an unsupported bottle standing on a worktop or table with a user grasping the pusher-in-thing with two hands bearing down on the cork. A minor slip would lead to disaster. I want a hand on the bottle.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 10:52 Tue 04 Jan 2022
With apologies for my poor drawing skills, two images to try and help show (a) the minor mod I was suggesting, and (b) how it could be easily extended into addition of bottle opener without additional complexity if wanted.
(a)
The intention by widening the end slightly is to allow the device to be used horizontally to push with the pistons per JDAW original concept, but also to allow use vertically (perhaps after freeing the cork) to push the cork all the way in to the bottle. The widened end would prevent the tool falling in, as well as being easier to push on, with no additional parts/difficulty to manufacture.
(b)
This was just a thought on how it could be extended to include bottle-opener capability meeting both needs (prevention of drop-in and bottle opener). If not needing the drop-in prevention, then the alternative (without width increase) would be a notch in the side of the tool (though I'm less keen as this might reduce the tool strength).
FWIW, not sure if (b) is worth it, but I like (a), especially if the larger piston size were not needed, and so the pistons were not sufficient to prevent drop in when used as a vertical pusher. Also possibly just for handling ease.
(a)
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(b)
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FWIW, not sure if (b) is worth it, but I like (a), especially if the larger piston size were not needed, and so the pistons were not sufficient to prevent drop in when used as a vertical pusher. Also possibly just for handling ease.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 11:13 Tue 04 Jan 2022
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 11:14 Tue 04 Jan 2022
Whilst the bottle-opener option seemed useful when suggested I do not think it is worthy of adding bulk or cost to the device.PhilW wrote: ↑10:52 Tue 04 Jan 2022 With apologies for my poor drawing skills, two images to try and help show (a) the minor mod I was suggesting, and (b) how it could be easily extended into addition of bottle opener without additional complexity if wanted.
(a)
pusher1.jpg
The intention by widening the end slightly is to allow the device to be used horizontally to push with the pistons per JDAW original concept, but also to allow use vertically (perhaps after freeing the cork) to push the cork all the way in to the bottle. The widened end would prevent the tool falling in, as well as being easier to push on, with no additional parts/difficulty to manufacture.
(b)
pusher2-bc.jpg
This was just a thought on how it could be extended to include bottle-opener capability meeting both needs (prevention of drop-in and bottle opener). If not needing the drop-in prevention, then the alternative (without width increase) would be a notch in the side of the tool (though I'm less keen as this might reduce the tool strength).
FWIW, not sure if (b) is worth it, but I like (a), especially if the larger piston size were not needed, and so the pistons were not sufficient to prevent drop in when used as a vertical pusher. Also possibly just for handling ease.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 12:42 Tue 04 Jan 2022
I did consider this myself. I was concerned about the effective radius being larger
End effective radius = sqrt(65) ~8.06mm
2mm plunger effective radius = sqrt(68) ~8.25 mm
4mm plunger effective radius = sqrt(80) ~8.94 mm (too large)
8mm plunger effective radius = sqrt(128) ~11.31mm (way too large)
A simple solution is to have the plungers tablet shaped not circular. This would work well for everything upto 8 mm.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 12:45 Tue 04 Jan 2022
The very sensible approach which sane people should actually do.JacobH wrote: ↑09:55 Tue 04 Jan 2022 It occurred to me yesterday that if you wanted to produce a prototype of this with minimal tools, some thumb screws with a 16mm flat head might do the trick. They don’t make one with a 2mm thick head but do make them with 3.5mm ones and 9.5mm ones which is pretty close to the sizes being discussed here. You could probably produce something quite close to the finished product by taking a piece of 2mm flat steel bar; drilling & tapping a couple of holes in it; screwing these in; and then cutting the thread flush with the back of the plate.
https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Kno ... ess_Steel/
https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Kno ... ess_Steel/
I appreciate it might sound a bit less glamorous than this tool but I wonder if a M16 bolt would do the trick for one-handed operation since you could push straight down whilst holding the bottle in the other hand. A nut would allow you to set the maximum depth, too.DRT wrote: ↑00:50 Tue 04 Jan 2022this relates to your suggestion of placing the 2mm piston in the middle but would apply regardless of that. Your description made me think of an unsupported bottle standing on a worktop or table with a user grasping the pusher-in-thing with two hands bearing down on the cork. A minor slip would lead to disaster. I want a hand on the bottle.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 14:25 Tue 04 Jan 2022
Something like this:akzy wrote: ↑12:45 Tue 04 Jan 2022The very sensible approach which sane people should actually do.JacobH wrote: ↑09:55 Tue 04 Jan 2022 I appreciate it might sound a bit less glamorous than this tool but I wonder if a M16 bolt would do the trick for one-handed operation since you could push straight down whilst holding the bottle in the other hand. A nut would allow you to set the maximum depth, too.
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Adjust the nut (3rd along from left) to give the desired piston depth. Could even make the adjusting nut a wing nut for easier operation.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 14:54 Tue 04 Jan 2022
We've been assuming that the benefit of using a piston is for full cork press; do we know this to be true? We know that when a cork is stuck to the glass we can rip the core out, so presumably could push the core through also (if using too small a "piston") but how big does it need to be?
Julian's answer of "as big as possible" is probably the safest, and we certainly would not want to use a small-diameter shape; but considering in regard to Zak's comment on ovals, it made me wonder how small a 16mm x Ymm oval might work; or indeed whether a 16mm x 2mm rectangle might work, i.e. a flat section of 2mm bar. If such were sufficient, we could then have all sorts of possible simple flat-metal solutions which would be extremely cheap to make...
(once again, please excuse my [lack of] drawing skills)
Julian's answer of "as big as possible" is probably the safest, and we certainly would not want to use a small-diameter shape; but considering in regard to Zak's comment on ovals, it made me wonder how small a 16mm x Ymm oval might work; or indeed whether a 16mm x 2mm rectangle might work, i.e. a flat section of 2mm bar. If such were sufficient, we could then have all sorts of possible simple flat-metal solutions which would be extremely cheap to make...
(once again, please excuse my [lack of] drawing skills)
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Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 20:38 Tue 04 Jan 2022
By Jove!, this is much easier than I had reckoned, and somewhat easier than recent posts. It would suffice to have a 100mm-long 16mm bolt with a 24mm-across matching nut.
Is it really that easy? Am I missing anything?
Except that the pressure will be a thread-width away from the edge.
Is it really that easy? Am I missing anything?
Except that the pressure will be a thread-width away from the edge.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 21:27 Tue 04 Jan 2022
Simple, functional and adjustable. Could use a pair of nuts (so they essentially lock against each other to stop the bottom one turning during use), and a much shorter bolt. Not as pleasing to the eye, but much cheaper (though I did wonder whether a 3D printed plastic version of the tool might be almost as cheap).jdaw1 wrote:Is it really that easy? Am I missing anything?
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 08:40 Sat 26 Mar 2022
I am now able to report my first (and successful) use of The Wiseman.
Just opened a half of Vargellas 1996. Every previous opening of these has been a disaster.
Pushed the cork down approximately 5mm and then carefully removed with The Durand.
Almost tempted to open another just for the pleasure of defeating the cork.
Just opened a half of Vargellas 1996. Every previous opening of these has been a disaster.
Pushed the cork down approximately 5mm and then carefully removed with The Durand.
Almost tempted to open another just for the pleasure of defeating the cork.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 14:44 Sat 26 Mar 2022
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 21:41 Sat 26 Mar 2022
I find that if I heat the neck of the bottle briefly (30 seconds or so) in steam it seems to melt whatever adhesive sticks that cork to the glass and allows the cork to be extracted smoothly and easily.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 20:11 Mon 28 Mar 2022
How did I miss this thread? Fabulous idea (push in a little before using a screw pull) -- I keep nearly all of my empties, and will have to do some measuring/testing. One concern is that a soft cork will compress significantly, and long before the stuck part releases. It may also be difficult to reduce pressure just as a stuck cork becomes freed, i.e. push->compress, push more -> compress more, push even more -> release! Plop. cork in the bottle.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 21:15 Mon 28 Mar 2022
This risk is not denied. Surely the inventor of the Port garrotte can suggest better.SushiNorth wrote: ↑20:11 Mon 28 Mar 2022i.e. push->compress, push more -> compress more, push even more -> release! Plop. cork in the bottle.
Re: A cork pusher
Posted: 04:40 Tue 29 Mar 2022
Oh you know I am thinking about itjdaw1 wrote: ↑21:15 Mon 28 Mar 2022This risk is not denied. Surely the inventor of the Port garrotte can suggest better.SushiNorth wrote: ↑20:11 Mon 28 Mar 2022i.e. push->compress, push more -> compress more, push even more -> release! Plop. cork in the bottle.
