Wednesday October 8, 2008

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Wednesday October 8, 2008

Post by AHB » 09:34 Fri 18 Apr 2008

Wednesday October 8 2008, The Crusting Pipe, Covent Garden, London

A Vertical of Cockburn Ports


Due to the surprising number of requests that I have had with questions on this tasting, this far in advance of the date, I have decided to start a thread with the details of the event so as to allow people to make arrangements and book a seat at the table.

There will be a limit of 12-14 people so as to ensure that tasting samples from a single bottle don’t get to be too small. 14 people means that you get the equivalent of a miniature bottle of port as your tasting sample.

Cost of attending will be a share of the costs of the event (corkage, glass hire, service - around £40 per person), the cost of food (£15-30 per person, depending on menu choice) and two bottles of Cockburn vintage ports. The two bottles will be one older bottle (defined as being from a vintage earlier than 1960) and one younger bottle (defined as being from the 1960 vintage or later). Please PM me with your proposed bottles so that I can do my best to avoid duplications. I can also help you to track bottles down if you are struggling.

Confirmed Attendees
  • AHB - 1912, 1967
    ADV - 1924, 1983
    Stewart Todd â€‟ subject to confirmation
    Roy Hersh â€‟ subject to Harvest Tour commitments
    Mario Ferreira â€‟ subject to Harvest Tour commitments
    Ben Read
    DRT and Axel Probst - 1935, 1960, 1994
    Sean C - 1908, 1983
    Conky - 1963
    Christopher
    Nicos Neocleous
    Uncle Tom - 1955
    Simon Lisle - 1896, 1975
Others are welcome, please either PM me or post here to reserve one of the remaining slots. With the number of people who are "subject to", I will also run a wait list.

Waitlist
  • JDAW
Confirmed vintages
  • 1896
    1908
    1912
    1924
    1935
    1955
    1960
    1963
    1967
    1970 (courtesy of jdaw, despite his likely non-attendance)
    1975
    1983 x2 (to account for the poor reputation of these wines)
    1994
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Post by AHB » 10:41 Fri 18 Apr 2008

Summary of details updated.
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Post by Andy Velebil » 15:54 Fri 18 Apr 2008

Alex,
You read my mind, I was just thinking that a thread needed to be started. BTW, I've PM'd you with info.

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Post by Christopher » 23:14 Fri 18 Apr 2008

Hi Alex

Can you please put me donw for this as well, it looks excellent. I have never actually tried Cockburn at all! So if I am going to start might as well max it out! :lol:

many thanks

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Post by Andy Velebil » 23:59 Fri 18 Apr 2008

I'l be bringing the 1924, so put me down for that one. I'll figure out a 2nd bottle soon.

Christopher,
Great news!! See you soon :wink:
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Cockburn 1924

Post by jdaw1 » 00:20 Sat 19 Apr 2008

For those interested in the provenance of the 1924:
Christies, London, 7th June 2007, lot 306 wrote:Believed Cockburn—Vintage 1924: Remains of embossed wax capsule. No label. Level into neck (1)
Croft—Vintage 1927: English bottled by Trover & Sons. Black foil capsules. One with remains of label and one without label. Levels into neck (2)
Cost of the three bottles = £480 + stuff = £564.60. (And one of the Croft 1927s appeared at the Croft Vertical in Boston, for which we didn’t post TNs.)

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Re: Wednesday October 8, 2008

Post by jdaw1 » 03:09 Sat 19 Apr 2008

AHB wrote:
  • 1970 (courtesy of jdaw, despite his likely non-attendance)
Provenance of the 1970: Bonhams, 29 Nov 2005, auction # 11919, lot 729, described as “Cockburn 1970 (17); Sandeman 1970 (2)†. I forgot to record my hammer price, but with non-delivery extras was £440, so about £23 a bottle.

A bottle from the same lot described here as “Pale red; little nose …; nicely rounded with prunes†.

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My only other Cockburn is a single bottle of 1985.

Post by jdaw1 » 03:19 Sat 19 Apr 2008

My only other Cockburn (in the UK or the US) is a single bottle of 1985. Available at moderate cost if needed. But speak before Alex travels to my father’s to collect other bottles.

Edit: AHB has agreed to swap this C85 for one of his precious Vesuvios, planning that somebody might acquire it from him. That had to be agreed now as AHB’s trip to Sussex is imminent.
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Post by Axel P » 07:06 Sat 19 Apr 2008

As Germany is a third world country the only elder Cockburns I have in mind is the 55 which is most probably be possible to acquire. I ll get back soon, but any hints where to find elder trustworthy Cockburns somewhere near London would be excellent.

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Post by Axel P » 07:10 Sat 19 Apr 2008

For the newer vintages I could contribute 94, 97, 2000 or 2003 as well if wanted.

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Post by Simon Lisle » 10:15 Sat 19 Apr 2008

I'm afraid being midweek I can't confirm my attendance.Cockburn I have are 1896?,1960,63,67,70,75,97and I'm nearly sure I have 83.

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Post by AHB » 14:08 Sat 19 Apr 2008

Axel P wrote:For the newer vintages I could contribute 94, 97, 2000 or 2003 as well if wanted.
I'd be interested in the 1994 as I am generally a fan of the 1994 vintage but have not had a good bottle of the 1994 Cockburn.
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Post by AHB » 14:10 Sat 19 Apr 2008

Simon Lisle wrote:I'm afraid being midweek I can't confirm my attendance.Cockburn I have are 1896?,1960,63,67,70,75,97and I'm nearly sure I have 83.
Simon - I mentioned that I would run a wait list in case people had to drop out nearer the time because travel arrangements don't work out - would you like to go at the top of the wait list in case you find nearer the time that you can make it down to London for a mid-week event?

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Post by AHB » 14:12 Sat 19 Apr 2008

I'm hoping someone will bring a 1983 vintage. I have only had this twice and both times the bottles were corked. Yet with the reputation that this wine has, I would love to be able to try a good bottle.

I might even be persuaded to double up on this particular bottle given its reputation for being a "dodgy" bottling.

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Post by Axel P » 08:28 Sun 20 Apr 2008

... so the 94 it is.

Still looking out for any advice where to get elder ones in good condition.

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Post by Andy Velebil » 13:12 Sun 20 Apr 2008

I have a 1983 and can bring that along as well.

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Post by Axel P » 13:29 Sun 20 Apr 2008

Alex,

I couldnt reach Wolfgang jet, but please hold a seat for him, before all the others are gone.

I will let you know next week, being pretty sure that he will show up

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Post by uncle tom » 18:04 Mon 21 Apr 2008

Why have I been missing this thread? - dunno..

Anyway, I have plenty of the '55, and would be happy to attend, complete with bottle!

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Post by Conky » 18:58 Mon 21 Apr 2008

We surely have to persuade Simon to attend, if he'll share his 1896!

We could have Spag Boll with a 2000+ Cockburn sauce (I'm not drinking it straight, so young!) and then we can claim THREE CENTURIES of Cockburns.

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2000 was in the nineteenth century

Post by jdaw1 » 19:28 Mon 21 Apr 2008

A pedant—though it is unlikely that there will be any severe pedants present—might observe that 2000 was in the nineteenth century. Cockburn 2003 (much of which is being auctioned soon at Bonhams) would save the extra century.

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Re: 2000 was in the nineteenth century

Post by Conky » 19:39 Mon 21 Apr 2008

jdaw1 wrote:A pedant—though it is unlikely that there will be any severe pedants present—might observe that 2000 was in the nineteenth century. Cockburn 2003 (much of which is being auctioned soon at Bonhams) would save the extra century.
I'm going to regret this.....

But was it not clear I put 2000+ ? As in 2000 plus something ?

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Post by uncle tom » 20:03 Mon 21 Apr 2008

Julian said:
might observe that 2000 was in the nineteenth century
Actually it was in the 20th - we are now in the 21st..

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Post by jdaw1 » 20:19 Mon 21 Apr 2008

uncle tom wrote:Julian said:
might observe that 2000 was in the nineteenth century
Actually it was in the 20th - we are now in the 21st..

Tom
Doh!

— Retard Pedant.
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Post by Axel P » 20:25 Mon 21 Apr 2008

Alex,

my simple german mind is confused. Could you summ it up again. Who is bringing what (and how should we balance the costs later on)?

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Post by Andy Velebil » 23:12 Mon 21 Apr 2008

3 centuries would be fun, just for the sake of saying so. we need to convince Simon to come.

Tom,
glad you will be able to make this, i look forward to finally being able to meet you in the flesh.

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