’83 and ’85 Double-horizontal, Sat 13 Sept ’08, Brooklyn

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’83 and ’85 Double-horizontal, Sat 13 Sept ’08, Brooklyn

Post by jdaw1 » 15:48 Sat 13 Sep 2008

From the double-horizontal, 1983 and 1985, on Saturday 13 September 2008 at the home of jfacciol in Brooklyn.

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Post by SushiNorth » 17:24 Sat 13 Sep 2008

Dow 85 decanted at 10:45pm on Friday, Graham's 83 decanted at 11:45am Saturday.
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Post by jdaw1 » 17:52 Sat 13 Sep 2008

G85 and NN85 decanted shortly after 11am Saturday.

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Post by jdaw1 » 07:39 Sun 14 Sep 2008

Jay hosted yet another fantastic evening. Photographs and commentary tomorrow.

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Post by jdaw1 » 17:36 Sun 14 Sep 2008

The bottles, as photographed late in the evening.
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About to start:
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The ports:
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Later in the evening
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Post by jdaw1 » 18:53 Sun 14 Sep 2008

In all five houses I preferred the ’85. Most males present agreed, with scores averaging 4-1. (The ladies preferred the ’83s.) In all five houses ’85 had better fruit than ’83, and the spirit was more overt in the ’83.

It is always fabulous to see one’s prejudices reaffirmed. Hurray!

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Post by DRT » 22:24 Sun 14 Sep 2008

This seems to have been a fun evening. Any chance someone can put names to faces, pease?

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Post by jdaw1 » 22:47 Sun 14 Sep 2008

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Left-to-right: Molly E. B.; Subir G.; Dave C. = differentdave; Jay = jfaciol; EricD.; Michael W. = TBird.

Off to the viewer’s left are Stephanie and Jeff Ghi, and yours truly is behind the camera.

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Post by DRT » 00:03 Mon 15 Sep 2008

Thanks for that.

Interesting to see the depth of colour of the Dow and GC 83s. These seem as dark as the F85 which is normally very dark. The NNs seem very mature from a colour perspective alone. Not what one might expect from these. I wonder if the bottles you had are typical of these NN vintages? I don't think I have had either of these.

Great pictures and great notes. Thanks.

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Re: ’83 and ’85 Double-horizontal, Sat 13 Sept ’08, Brooklyn

Post by g-man » 15:17 Mon 15 Sep 2008

Finally got around to posting. Busy with family stuff and getting caught up with friends who work at lehman. Rough times, especially with a port hangover.

I'm trying to find my tasting notes but I'm not sure where I put them.

Wine of the night for drinking now was the Fonseca 83, which I believe got 4 votes for first.
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Re: ’83 and ’85 Double-horizontal, Sat 13 Sept ’08, Brooklyn

Post by AHB » 17:57 Mon 15 Sep 2008

Fonseca 1983 as wine of the night! Very interesting considering the reputation of this wine as being a "weak" Fonseca. I'm glad you pitched it against the Grahams '83 and '85, which are wines I know and love.
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Post by g-man » 18:17 Mon 15 Sep 2008

AHB wrote:Fonseca 1983 as wine of the night! Very interesting considering the reputation of this wine as being a "weak" Fonseca. I'm glad you pitched it against the Grahams '83 and '85, which are wines I know and love.
me and julian both voted for the graham's 83 as wine of the night but were overruled by the majority since we were the only two votes for the Grahams.

A common comment I heard about the Fonseca is the delicate balance and for the non everyday port drinking people was the least like "cough syrup". They also refer to the spiciness of the finish and talked about the lack of "dryness" that was apparent in the dows.

In terms of drinking in some future date, the Fonseca 85 was the clear winner.
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Post by jdaw1 » 18:24 Mon 15 Sep 2008

g-man wrote:me and julian both voted for the graham's 83 as wine of the night but were overruled by the majority since we were the only two votes for the Grahams.
Correction: I voted, for drinking now, G85. For drinking at peak, F85.

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Post by g-man » 18:41 Mon 15 Sep 2008

ah yes, I voted for the grahams 85 then too.

I'll repost once I find my notes again as I've marked the wines with their total votes.
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Post by TBird » 19:26 Mon 15 Sep 2008

my notes are missing in action too. :oops: :? they'll pop up. 88)

thanks for a great evening. i think i was kicked out at the end? :lol:

despite going the wrong way on the F, i made it home intact. how hard could it be, i stated earlier in the evening... :shock:

thanks again! :)
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Post by SushiNorth » 20:08 Mon 15 Sep 2008

Two lonely bottles, settling in the basement...

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As we prepared for another special evening.

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With lots of familiar faces... (L-R: TBird, JDaw, G-Man, Steph, Molly, Subir)
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(And our host said a few words)
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Full of pretty colors
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and the familiar sights of a tasting...
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We wrapped up quite happy...
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And in good form.
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Thanks again to our host jfacciol for the lovely evening, to g-man for that excellent pork, jdaw for supplies/glass/etc, and everyone for the good company.
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Post by SushiNorth » 21:51 Mon 15 Sep 2008

Well that was really a lovely evening, and I've just enjoyed writing up my chicken scratch as legitimate notes (and replaying the evening -- sans red drink).

Several things struck me over the course of the night. One was that my numbers are on target (whew!) -- TBird and I found ourselves consistently in lock step, and I'd no idea G-man and I both gave the F85 a 96 until this very moment. Another was that my sense of direct smell is as lacking as I'd feared, but that
A) this "back of the pharanx (Nasopharanx was it, gman?)" thing is quite effective. I smelled more of the port by basically inhaling through my mouth than my nose.
B) the whole "cover the glass and swirl" thing works really well for me.

I also made a bunch of notes that are worth sharing...
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Grahams 83 and 80 need to be compared.

and, most important, many people are up for drinkings. I think we need a whole different classification for them, as a Drinking differs from a Tasting:
Casual, no need for placemats. Drinkers outnumber bottles 2:1. Good food is a key part of the equation. Impromptu: if we're planning it for more than a few days it might as well become a Tasting.
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Re: ’83 and ’85 Double-horizontal, Sat 13 Sept ’08, Brooklyn

Post by g-man » 01:58 Tue 16 Sep 2008

F 83 3 votes - Dave, Molly, Steph
G 85 2 votes - Julian, Jeff
F 85 2 votes - Subir, Josh
G 83 1 vote - Eric
Dow 85 1 vote - Jay
GC 83 1 vote - Mike

G-Man's personal ranking- I kept ranking after the initial tasting pre-food .. When Julian mentioned it, I realized I was suffering from palate fatigue and I believe I might have skewed the noval's higher then my initial thoughts.

D83 - 87
D85 - 91
GC83 - 87
GC85 - 84
G83- 92
G85- 93
F83- 88
F85- 96
NN83- 79
NN85 - 86
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Re: ’83 and ’85 Double-horizontal, Sat 13 Sept ’08, Brooklyn

Post by TBird » 20:17 Wed 17 Sep 2008

i finally found my notes/impressions. :oops:

my favorite two were:
1) taylor 85 - complex and young, milk chocolate cherries with cinnamon and dark berries.

2) gould campbell 83 - raspberry kirsch & dark chocolate cherries, just gorgeous.

i guess in a way they now look vaguely similar but i don't recall thinking that way at the time.

to copy gmans way of scoring, i'll go:

D83 - 90
D85 - 93
GC83 - 94
GC85 - 91
G83 - 89
G85 - 92
F83 - 93
F85 - 95
NN83 - 79 - flawed
NN85 - 87
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