Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
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- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
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Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
Oh I know that from the disclaimer. But I was just thinking that presumably that thought process works as much for Shippers as merchants?
Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
heeh i do distro part time. the full time job pays more and allows me to keep larger inventoriesLGTrotter wrote:Oh I know that from the disclaimer. But I was just thinking that presumably that thought process works as much for Shippers as merchants?
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- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
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Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
Now you are being coy. I don't suppose that you send the shippers that fat a wedge all at once, so there must be a mutual interest in getting it sold.
Futhermore I seem to remember that you started life as a port lover only. So let us know; wear one hat then the other. What do you think? 2011; oversold or just right, you could even let us know that you can't answer it at present. I am all agog!
Futhermore I seem to remember that you started life as a port lover only. So let us know; wear one hat then the other. What do you think? 2011; oversold or just right, you could even let us know that you can't answer it at present. I am all agog!
Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
the major houses you hear about have their own distributors so I actually have to buy close to retail much like everyone else.LGTrotter wrote:Now you are being coy. I don't suppose that you send the shippers that fat a wedge all at once, so there must be a mutual interest in getting it sold.
Futhermore I seem to remember that you started life as a port lover only. So let us know; wear one hat then the other. What do you think? 2011; oversold or just right, you could even let us know that you can't answer it at present. I am all agog!
The smaller houses like quinta de cavuto, quinta de gomariz (up north with vinho verde) or Quevedo, with no representation in the US, the answer is yes, I send them a fat check and take full risk of anything not being sold.
My early life as a port lover helps explain the situation. If I don't sell it, I'm perfectly happy drinking it. If i do sell any, it supplements my cost of buying alot of bottles.
Here are my purchase # by vintage when i started buying on release.
2003 - 48
2007 - 6
2009 - 24
2011 - 108 (not including Quevedo which would blow this number out alot)
Been fortunate enough to taste the above vintages on release and I personally find: 2003 and 2011 as favorites so far
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- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
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Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
Thanks, would you say your experience is unusual or are most US distributors working on the same kind of model?
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Wow! The numbers you have quoted suggest you are sitting on circa 900 bottles of 2011. That is a lot of drinking in 30 years from now if Plan B comes into effectg-man wrote:I send them a fat check and take full risk of anything not being sold.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
it's actually closer to 400 btls of which 8% are 6L btls.DRT wrote:Wow! The numbers you have quoted suggest you are sitting on circa 900 bottles of 2011. That is a lot of drinking in 30 years from now if Plan B comes into effectg-man wrote:I send them a fat check and take full risk of anything not being sold.
but yes, I've got enough stock that I'm very happy spotting some bottles for our 2051 tasting
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Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
very unusual, I go cold calling at most once a week.LGTrotter wrote:Thanks, would you say your experience is unusual or are most US distributors working on the same kind of model?
I do deliveries once every two weeks.
I attend the occasional trade tasting and go around tasting events maybe once a month.
If someone were to make this a career, they'd have to 50x the numbers i'm doing.
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- Dalva Golden White Colheita 1952
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Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
Punchy posts chock full of solid facts. Top marks!
In a sense this sounds rather like the traditional english pattern of buy twice as much as you need, sell half and reinvest in younger vintages. Glad to hear it is still being done on such a grand scale.
Close to retail sounds a bit tough though, are you hoping that once you build a relationship with the producers and grow the market this will ease, or are these margins likely to stay the same? Please tell me to mind my own business if this is more information than you can reasonably give.
In a sense this sounds rather like the traditional english pattern of buy twice as much as you need, sell half and reinvest in younger vintages. Glad to hear it is still being done on such a grand scale.
Close to retail sounds a bit tough though, are you hoping that once you build a relationship with the producers and grow the market this will ease, or are these margins likely to stay the same? Please tell me to mind my own business if this is more information than you can reasonably give.
Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
So the equivalent of 592 standard bottles, or a pipe and four cases in old money. At that cost I assume you have also paid the import tax? (my 900 bottle calculation assumed UK prices excluding duty and tax)g-man wrote:DRT wrote:g-man wrote:it's actually closer to 400 btls of which 8% are 6L btls.
I do hope this works for you, but fear you have a mountain to climb.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Re: Port and Marketing: "Best Vintage ever"
No import tax.
I have an importer that takes all that and i just cover the shipping to me.
This business is really trying to discount my wine costs more than anything else. Margins are always the same in this business.
I have an importer that takes all that and i just cover the shipping to me.
This business is really trying to discount my wine costs more than anything else. Margins are always the same in this business.
Disclosure: Distributor of Quevedo wines and Quinta do Gomariz