Ramos-Pinto: Tuesday 21st October 2014

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Ramos-Pinto: Tuesday 21st October 2014

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This post to hold plans as and when they are agreed.

Theme: a vertical of Ramos-Pinto Vintage Port.

Date: Tuesday 21st October 2014.
Time: the start time is 18:30. And I won’t be waiting for those who aren’t ready.

Location: Davy’s at Woolgate (25 Basinghall Street, London, EC2V 5HA, tel +44 20 7600 5216, streetmap.co.uk, maps.google.co.uk, bing.com).

Vintages:
  1. 1909 (JNdA);
  2. 1924, 65cl (THRA);
  3. 1931 (JDAW);
  4. 1960 (AP);
  5. 1964 (AP);
  6. 1970 (AP);
  7. 1980 (THRA, WPS?, AP);
  8. 1982 (AP);
  9. 1983 (WPS?, AP, AHB);
  10. 1985 (AP);
  11. 1991 (THRA, AP);
  12. 1994 (JDAW, AP, AHB);
  13. 1994 Ervamoira (AP);
  14. 1997 (AP, JDAW).

    The current plan is that the tasting will include vintages ≤1997, but anyway noted here is possession of those younger.
  15. 2000 (AP);
  16. 2002 (AP);
  17. 2003 (AP);
  18. 2005 (AP);
  19. 2007 (AP);
  20. 2007 Ervamoira (AP);
  21. 2009 Ervamoira (AP);
  22. 2011 (AP).
People:
  1. João Nicolau de Almeida;
  2. Mark Bingley M.W.;
  3. Ana Rato (Ramos Pinto head of marketing);
  4. JDAW;
  5. PW;
  6. THRA;
  7. WPS;
  8. AP;
  9. AHB;
  10. DJ;
  11. MPM;
  12. RAYC.
Wait list, Possibles, and Might Change Their Mind At The Last Moments:
  1. DRT;
  2. CPR.
Current draft of placemats (and parameters by which made).
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Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical

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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=44021#p44021]Here[/url], on 02 August 2011, jdaw1 wrote:
JacobH wrote:The (very few) Ramos Pinto red Ports I’ve tried have not been great. Am I missing something?
Vickers' Liquors had RP85 at ≈$25 a bottle. A few of us cleared them out, and it was a very satisfactory house VP.
I would like there to be a deep tasting of many vintages of Ramos-Pinto. But the only Ramos-Pinto vintages I have are 1994 and 1931.

Would anybody else want there to be such a tasting? And which vintages do those people own?

Let’s aim for an autumn date. Preferences? How about Tuesday 21st October 2014?
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jdaw1 wrote:I would like there to be a deep tasting of many vintages of Ramos-Pinto. But the only Ramos-Pinto vintages I have are 1994 and 1931.

Would anybody else want there to be such a tasting? And which vintages do those people own?
I sadly have none but would love to join such a tasting.
Let’s aim for an autumn date. Preferences? How about Tuesday 21st October 2014
That sounds like a plan. If considering other dates, please remember the planned Martinez vertical date is still to be confirmed, but expected in last fortnight of Nov.
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jdaw1 wrote:I would like there to be a deep tasting of many vintages of Ramos-Pinto. But the only Ramos-Pinto vintages I have are 1994 and 1931.

Would anybody else want there to be such a tasting? And which vintages do those people own?
I would like to be at that tasting and will bring every RP vintage that I own. So we now have 1994 and 1931 :(
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I can only add the '24 (650cL) '80 & '91

RP's bottle store has impressive stocks at the older end of the spectrum..
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jdaw1 wrote:People:
  1. JDAW;
  2. PW;
  3. DRT;
  4. THRA.
Vintages:
  1. 1924, 650cl (THRA);
  2. 1931 (JDAW);
  3. 1980 (THRA);
  4. 1991 (THRA);
  5. 1994 (JDAW).
So far we are four people and most of five bottles. Whilst that could be said to work in some sense, it wasn’t what I had in mind.
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Hi,

I think I have 80, 83 and 94. But would need to have a closer look where they are. Would be interested too in such a vertical since I missed the one Axel did in Germany.

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WS1 wrote:the one Axel did in Germany.
Axel P, in organising a [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6030]Ramos Pinto vertical on 13 October 2012[/url], wrote:Joao Nicolau de Almeida and Joao Machete Perreira will come to Germany on Oct 13th for a very decent lineup of Ramos Pinto Vintage Ports:
1880
1924
1931
1934
1935
1945
1960
1970
1980
1982
1983
1985
1991
1994
1997
2000
2003
2007
2011 (CS)
two Colheita bottlings of 1937 (1968 and 1986)
and a single varietal tasting of 1983s comparing this with the Vintage of 1983.
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I have
60
70
80
82
83
85
91
94
94 Ervamoira
97
2000
02
03
05
07
07 Ervamoira
09 Ervamoira
11

I would be much interested in including Toms second bottle of "LBV" 27 and the 55 and 63.

Let me know the date asap.

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Axel P wrote:Let me know the date asap.
jdaw1 wrote:Let’s aim for an autumn date. Preferences? How about Tuesday 21st October 2014?
Any objections to or problems with Tuesday 21st October 2014? (Subject to industry-guest consent.)
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Thank to Axel’s excellent collection, the list of vintages has grown substantially.
jdaw1 wrote:Vintages:
  1. 1924, 650cl (THRA);
  2. 1931 (JDAW);
  3. 1960 (AP);
  4. 1970 (AP);
  5. 1980 (THRA, WPS?, AP);
  6. 1982 (AP);
  7. 1983 (WPS?, AP);
  8. 1985 (AP);
  9. 1991 (THRA, AP);
  10. 1994 (JDAW, WPS?, AP);
  11. 1994 Ervamoira (AP);
  12. 1997 (AP);
  13. 2000 (AP);
  14. 2002 (AP);
  15. 2003 (AP);
  16. 2005 (AP);
  17. 2007 (AP);
  18. 2007 Ervamoira (AP);
  19. 2009 Ervamoira (AP);
  20. 2011 (AP).
Is it a good idea to have 1931 and 2011 in the same tasting? Do the very young Ports overwhelm those with some dignified age? Should we restrict ourselves to ≤2000, thereby excluding those from this century? I say yes.
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jdaw1 wrote:Is it a good idea to have 1931 and 2011 in the same tasting? Do the very young Ports overwhelm those with some dignified age? Should we restrict ourselves to ≤2000, thereby excluding those from this century? I say yes.
I would go further, and only include <94, or perhaps <=94 (i.e. not including under 21s with oldies).
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PhilW wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Is it a good idea to have 1931 and 2011 in the same tasting? Do the very young Ports overwhelm those with some dignified age? Should we restrict ourselves to ≤2000, thereby excluding those from this century? I say yes.
I would go further, and only include <94, or perhaps <=94 (i.e. not including under 21s with oldies).
I agree. The youngsters always get lost/neglected at these big verticals. Dropping 8 or 9 youngsters from the line-up could provide funds for a couple more oldies.
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There is plenty of evidence that our forefathers started drinking their VP at 15. We’ll keep ≤1997. Hopefully this compromise is generally acceptable.
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I can add nothing to the list of bottles as I have no RP! but this sounds like an excellent idea and a shipper I am not overly familiar with, thus count me in please
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uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
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jdaw1 wrote:
uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Yikes! Thank you to Tom for offering to open such a rare gem.
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jdaw1 wrote:
uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Would this rather unbalance the tasting? There’s nothing wrong with each of us having to drink half a litre of a ninety year old port really, nothing wrong but would it fit with the workings of a vertical tasting?

Part of me says no. But not all of me.
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I'm in, but can offer only the 1983 and/or the 1994.
jdaw1 wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Would this rather unbalance the tasting? There’s nothing wrong with each of us having to drink half a litre of a ninety year old port really, nothing wrong but would it fit with the workings of a vertical tasting?

Part of me says no. But not all of me.
I think it depends on the cost. While I would love to help to drink 6½ litres of 90 year old port it could significantly distort the costs of the tasting. Personally, I would rather spend the same amount of money but taste a smaller amount of the 1924 and more vintages.
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I would like. I can, at present, offer nothing, but perhaps that might change between now and October. Happy to adopt as always.
Honestly, I turn my back for a moment and you've organised an enormous vertical with bumper formats of decently old port.
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That sounds awesome. Ramos Pinto is the producer I'd like to do a vertical the most of.
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mosesbotbol wrote:That sounds awesome. Ramos Pinto is the producer I'd like to do a vertical the most of.
Does that mean that you are crossing the Atlantic? Or not?
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AHB wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Would this rather unbalance the tasting? There’s nothing wrong with each of us having to drink half a litre of a ninety year old port really, nothing wrong but would it fit with the workings of a vertical tasting?

Part of me says no. But not all of me.
I think it depends on the cost. While I would love to help to drink 6½ litres of 90 year old port it could significantly distort the costs of the tasting. Personally, I would rather spend the same amount of money but taste a smaller amount of the 1924 and more vintages.
I get where you are both coming from on this, but at which other event do you think Tom should open this unusual bottle? Cost will obviously be a consideration, but assuming it is palatable (sorry), surely this is a fabulous event to let this very unusual bottle show the world what it has been waiting for?
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If the timing works I would fly over for this.
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Andy Velebil wrote:If the timing works I would fly over for this.
I was thinking the same thing, the problem being that I'll have just returned from the 2014 Port Harvest Tour and can't simply extend my stay for that long.
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