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I like Greeks (letters, rather than finance ministers).

AHB wrote:This is a dramatically different menu and very different from the normal B&F menu.

That is because this tasting is not at B&F, but at Woolgate.

flash_uk wrote:Are you going with Greeks? I thought we concluded that was difficult as not everyone recognises them?

Perhaps this could be an opportunity to bring out the zodiac, symbols with small text underneath?

PhilW wrote:

flash_uk wrote:Are you going with Greeks? I thought we concluded that was difficult as not everyone recognises them?

Perhaps this could be an opportunity to bring out the zodiac, symbols with small text underneath?

That would be great, so long as we have only 12 bottles

PhilW wrote:

flash_uk wrote:Are you going with Greeks? I thought we concluded that was difficult as not everyone recognises them?

Perhaps this could be an opportunity to bring out the zodiac, symbols with small text underneath?

I would not want folks to think that I thought that they didn’t know the symbols ( ): the words can go in the Circlearrays.

Might “” cause confusion?

Edit: like the Greek letters, the Zodiac symbols have a natural ordering (modulo 12). Might the ordering suggest something untrue? Whereas, say, there is have no such ordering in the Hobbit’s non-Thorin dwarves (Dwalin, Balin, Kili, Fili, Dori, Nori, Ori, Oin, Gloin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur)?

jdaw1 wrote:

PhilW wrote:

flash_uk wrote:Are you going with Greeks? I thought we concluded that was difficult as not everyone recognises them?

Perhaps this could be an opportunity to bring out the zodiac, symbols with small text underneath?

I would not want folks to think that I thought that they didn’t know the symbols ( )

They could cope.

jdaw1 wrote:Might “” cause confusion?

Probably not, assuming symbol is large enough. Lower text could be small enough to be ignored by those who know the symbols, yet large enough to be easily referred to by those who do not or need reminder without having to put their glasses on and peer closely at the circlearray text. More than 12 bottles would mean this was non-viable anyway of course.

jdaw1 wrote:

PhilW wrote:

flash_uk wrote:Are you going with Greeks? I thought we concluded that was difficult as not everyone recognises them?

Perhaps this could be an opportunity to bring out the zodiac, symbols with small text underneath?

I would not want folks to think that I thought that they didn’t know the symbols ( ): the words can go in the Circlearrays.

Might “” cause confusion?

Edit: like the Greek letters, the Zodiac symbols have a natural ordering (modulo 12). Might the ordering suggest something untrue? Whereas, say, there is have no such ordering in the Hobbit’s non-Thorin dwarves (Dwalin, Balin, Kili, Fili, Dori, Nori, Ori, Oin, Gloin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur)?

Please, can someone translate.

Since Chris is coming as my guest I should be covering his port contribution. If you put me down to bring the G77 as well as the two bottles I'm already allocated then that leaves Chris and me bringing 3 bottles between us and everyone else bringing one or two.

And please, for goodness sake, make an executive decision and tell Julian to go with standard alphabet symbols for the blinding. We are grown ups and are capable of resisting the urge to rank everything in alphabetical order when we come to select WOTN and SSV conclusion.

AHB wrote:And please, for goodness sake, make an executive decision and tell Julian to go with standard alphabet symbols for the blinding. We are grown ups and are capable of resisting the urge to rank everything in alphabetical order when we come to select WOTN and SSV conclusion.

**Like**

Simple numbers or letters are the least distracting solution. The options being discussed above are unnecessary fluff that add nothing to the event.

Phil and Flash seem to disagree with Alex and Derek.

flash_uk wrote:(Will find the thread/post in a moment with the relevant discussion).

Back to that agreed in Naming blinded bottles: upper-case Roman (I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X XI XII).

jdaw1 wrote:Might “” cause confusion?

flash_uk wrote:Please, can someone translate.

Maybe the joke about water wasn’t so humorous.

AHB wrote:We are grown ups

Is there really no evidence to the contrary?

jdaw1 wrote:Phil and Flash seem to disagree with Alex and Derek.

Really? I see no evidence of Flash being on the side of the fence you seem to think he is on.

DRT wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:Phil and Flash seem to disagree with Alex and Derek.

Really? I see no evidence of Flash being on the side of the fence you seem to think he is on.

flash_uk wrote:

PhilW wrote:Perhaps this could be an opportunity to bring out the zodiac, symbols with small text underneath?

That would be great, so long as we have only 12 bottles

I read “great” as meaning “great”. YMMV.

I missed that. So it seems to be the case that Phil and Flash are Little-endians and AHB and DRT are Big-endians.

jdaw1 wrote:

flash_uk wrote:(Will find the thread/post in a moment with the relevant discussion).

Back to that agreed in Naming blinded bottles: upper-case Roman (I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X XI XII).

Marvellous.

flash_uk wrote:great

flash_uk wrote:Marvellous.

Flash likes everything. Twelve tribes of Israel?

DRT wrote:The options being discussed above are unnecessary fluff that add nothing to the event.

I like the variety in placemat styles; many features might be considered unnecessary fluff (use of different fonts except for clarity, or use of the "rays" feature for example), but I would attribute some value to aesthetics provided that the primary functions are not compromised. In that latter regard for example, I would not select Greeks as while aesthetically interesting, they can (and have) cause(d) confusion. Numerals are clear, but less interesting; so be it.

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9830]the first post[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Draft of the placemats. These include glasses pages (I, II, III, …); voting pages (I, …); cork-display pages (D66, D70, D77, G66, …); decanter-label pages (both Roman and sighted Port); and personalised small sticky labels (2×D66, 2×D70, …).

This was based on the assumption that we’ll be using a blinding technique similar to that used for the 1958 Horizontal on 3^rd June 2014.

The small sticky labels are for people to affix to their glasses pages as they ‘decide’ what is what. The second set is for use in the unlikely event that any of these decisions should be erroneous: corrections could be over-stuck.


Edit: these placemats have provoked a question about the software. Please answer in that thread.

Please sir, could I have some little sticky labels that have the roman numerals (along with my initials) on them instead/as well?
That way I could try and arrange them in a year/shipper matrix while still keeping track of which is which.

PhilW wrote:Please sir, could I have some little sticky labels that have the roman numerals (along with my initials) on them instead/as well?

Done.

Many thanks Julian for an excellent set of placemats. I like Phil's addition to the sticky labels - I was thinking just the same thing about perhaps wanting to arrange things in a matrix.

flash_uk wrote:Many thanks Julian for an excellent set of placemats. I like Phil's addition to the sticky labels - I was thinking just the same thing about perhaps wanting to arrange things in a matrix.

I did contemplate asking for a second set of glasses sheets, with year/producer by row/column, to use for this purpose; but decided that as long as I can keep track of which glass is which while not on the original glasses sheets, the rest is more easily manageable (perhaps).

PhilW wrote:

flash_uk wrote:Many thanks Julian for an excellent set of placemats. I like Phil's addition to the sticky labels - I was thinking just the same thing about perhaps wanting to arrange things in a matrix.

I did contemplate asking for a second set of glasses sheets, with year/producer by row/column, to use for this purpose; but decided that as long as I can keep track of which glass is which while not on the original glasses sheets, the rest is more easily manageable (perhaps).

I was planning on either:
- turning the existing glasses sheets over, and scribbling years down the left and shippers along the top, or;
- leaving the glasses sheets and just scribbling years and shippers along the side and top.

I think either will be fine when dealing with 12 glasses, anything more and it could get messy. Davy's at Woolgate does have good space on the table to allow some rearrangement to take place.

Food order:

Crab toast with fennel, chilli and avocado to start

Rib steak on the bone - rare with Béarnaise sauce and Creamed spinach

Thanks

No Starter.

Rib steak on the bone (medium rare) with skinny fries and a fried egg.

Welsh Rarebit.

No dessert.

Starter-Welsh Rarebit

Main-Davy's Cheese and Bacon Burger (no bun), medium-rare
triple cooked chips
a side order of green beans and peas in lemon butter

Dessert-TBD on the night