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1871 Cabral Port

Post by hadge » 18:17 Fri 05 Mar 2021

I was looking through Sworders auction and came across these bottles again i believe this is the third or fourth auction with them in and i have 4 bottles which i bought in one of the auctions. i'm assuming that a few of us have bought lots, i was wondering if anybody had a tried any of these yet? i tasted the sample from the one bottle Sworders openned.

text from the auction listing,
Lots XXXX were bought by the vendor from The Dower House, Tewkesbury and whilst they do not have labels and the capsules are plain, there is reasonable evidence the port dates from 1871 (bottled in the 1970s); please ask for further details. One bottle from this collection was previously opened; the cork for which had the date of 1871 and Cabral which is Serafim Cabral of Quinta de Loueiro.

I'm also wondering how many bottles are out there?
Edit: does anyone know anything else about this port?

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by Alex Bridgeman » 23:08 Fri 05 Mar 2021

I don’t know much about this Port, other than the fact that there is plenty of it around. I’ve had it a couple of times and it’s very nice, but not in the same class as Scion or the Krohn / Taylor 1863 or the Mourão 100 year old.
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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by Glenn E. » 23:13 Fri 05 Mar 2021

I know of 2 bottles of this that have been consumed by denizens of The Port Forum. One in Belgium and one in Seattle. Neither were spectacular. The Belgium bottle has tasting notes recorded at FTLOP.com, while the Seattle bottle was opened at a friend's house and I don't think any of the notes have been published anywhere. I found my notes in an old tasting notebook, and I at least gave it a slightly higher score (92 pts) than the Belgium bottle which received 89, 90, and 89 (100) from the recorded notes. (The last note was 89 for the Port, but 100 for the experience of tasting something that old.)

Both of the above bottles were noted as 1871 Quinta do Loureiro Vinho Velho do Douro.
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Post by Andy Velebil » 01:36 Sat 06 Mar 2021

I've had it once, in Portugal, about 8-10 years ago if I recall correctly. I remember it being very nice but not out of this world great. Not sure the price, but I wouldn't pay too much for just the age of it. It is not in the league of the likes of Scion.

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by idj123 » 09:05 Sat 06 Mar 2021

Alex Bridgeman wrote:
23:08 Fri 05 Mar 2021
I don’t know much about this Port, other than the fact that there is plenty of it around. I’ve had it a couple of times and it’s very nice, but not in the same class as Scion or the Krohn / Taylor 1863 or the Mourão 100 year old.
Indeed but of course it is a fraction of the cost of the aforementioned-I picked up a bottle (yet to be consumed) a few years ago for what probly amounted to no more than £60 (it was a mixed lot). My bottle is stencilled but again, probably bottled in the 1970s.

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Post by Andy Velebil » 15:04 Sat 06 Mar 2021

idj123 wrote:
Alex Bridgeman wrote:
23:08 Fri 05 Mar 2021
I don’t know much about this Port, other than the fact that there is plenty of it around. I’ve had it a couple of times and it’s very nice, but not in the same class as Scion or the Krohn / Taylor 1863 or the Mourão 100 year old.
Indeed but of course it is a fraction of the cost of the aforementioned-I picked up a bottle (yet to be consumed) a few years ago for what probly amounted to no more than £60 (it was a mixed lot). My bottle is stencilled but again, probably bottled in the 1970s.
At that price definitely worth getting.

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by hadge » 11:10 Sun 07 Mar 2021

thanks guys, i might well bring a bottle along to a tasting when we are able to.

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Post by Alex Bridgeman » 10:17 Mon 08 Mar 2021

I notice there are also 4 lots of 11/12 bottles of Cabral 40YO Tawny in the sale which look, to my inexpert eye, as though they were bottled in the 1960s.

I don't intend to bid for any of these lots, but if someone buys one of the dozens and would like to share the lot with others, I would be interested in taking 2-3 bottles.
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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by hadge » 10:40 Mon 08 Mar 2021

i might put a cheeky bid on one of the lots, it depends on how today goes.

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Post by JacobH » 10:59 Mon 08 Mar 2021

Can someone fill me in on the history of this shipper? There is a Cabral Porto & Douro but that says it was set up in 1996 (by Emanuel A. Cabral). They say they are connected to Vallegre who own Quinta da Vista Alegre amongst other businesses. Is the Cabral being discussed here a business run by a previous generation of the same family?
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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by nac » 12:25 Tue 09 Mar 2021

hadge wrote:
18:17 Fri 05 Mar 2021
I was looking through Sworders auction and came across these bottles again i believe this is the third or fourth auction with them in and i have 4 bottles which i bought in one of the auctions. i'm assuming that a few of us have bought lots, i was wondering if anybody had a tried any of these yet? i tasted the sample from the one bottle Sworders openned.
I also picked up four of these from Sworders at the back end of 2019. All in price per bottle including delivery was around £125 (I think).

Shared a bottle with some friends back in December (during one of the brief lockdown respites) and amongst some pretty spectacular company it stood up quite well. Clearly not Scion standard, but a fraction of the price.

Planning to bring another bottle to a physical tasting at some point this year to mark its 150th birthday.

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by nac » 12:27 Tue 09 Mar 2021

Alex Bridgeman wrote:
10:17 Mon 08 Mar 2021
I notice there are also 4 lots of 11/12 bottles of Cabral 40YO Tawny in the sale which look, to my inexpert eye, as though they were bottled in the 1960s.

I don't intend to bid for any of these lots, but if someone buys one of the dozens and would like to share the lot with others, I would be interested in taking 2-3 bottles.
Assuming the price remains sane then I might. If successful will probably offload half.

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by nac » 13:26 Wed 17 Mar 2021

Alex Bridgeman wrote:
10:17 Mon 08 Mar 2021
I notice there are also 4 lots of 11/12 bottles of Cabral 40YO Tawny in the sale which look, to my inexpert eye, as though they were bottled in the 1960s.

I don't intend to bid for any of these lots, but if someone buys one of the dozens and would like to share the lot with others, I would be interested in taking 2-3 bottles.
12 bottles of the Cabral 40YO Tawny secured (along with a few others things which I'm likely to partially offload as well). Will let you know once I've received them, but will put some aside for you. A few more bottles will also be available as I really don't 'need' that many.

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by flash_uk » 14:12 Wed 17 Mar 2021

nac wrote:
13:26 Wed 17 Mar 2021
Alex Bridgeman wrote:
10:17 Mon 08 Mar 2021
I notice there are also 4 lots of 11/12 bottles of Cabral 40YO Tawny in the sale which look, to my inexpert eye, as though they were bottled in the 1960s.

I don't intend to bid for any of these lots, but if someone buys one of the dozens and would like to share the lot with others, I would be interested in taking 2-3 bottles.
12 bottles of the Cabral 40YO Tawny secured (along with a few others things which I'm likely to partially offload as well). Will let you know once I've received them, but will put some aside for you. A few more bottles will also be available as I really don't 'need' that many.
I might be interested in one or two if spare...?

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Post by winesecretary » 17:16 Wed 17 Mar 2021

I also might be interested in one or two.

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Post by nac » 16:34 Thu 18 Mar 2021

flash_uk wrote:
14:12 Wed 17 Mar 2021
nac wrote:
13:26 Wed 17 Mar 2021
Alex Bridgeman wrote:
10:17 Mon 08 Mar 2021
I notice there are also 4 lots of 11/12 bottles of Cabral 40YO Tawny in the sale which look, to my inexpert eye, as though they were bottled in the 1960s.

I don't intend to bid for any of these lots, but if someone buys one of the dozens and would like to share the lot with others, I would be interested in taking 2-3 bottles.
12 bottles of the Cabral 40YO Tawny secured (along with a few others things which I'm likely to partially offload as well). Will let you know once I've received them, but will put some aside for you. A few more bottles will also be available as I really don't 'need' that many.
I might be interested in one or two if spare...?
Done.

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Post by nac » 16:35 Thu 18 Mar 2021

winesecretary wrote:
17:16 Wed 17 Mar 2021
I also might be interested in one or two.
Also done.

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Post by PhilW » 21:28 Thu 18 Mar 2021

I would be similarly interested, but appreciate I may be too late to the party.

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Post by nac » 13:15 Fri 19 Mar 2021

PhilW wrote:
21:28 Thu 18 Mar 2021
I would be similarly interested, but appreciate I may be too late to the party.
Maybe not - I'll let you know once they've been delivered.

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Re: 1871 Cabral Port

Post by Alex Bridgeman » 20:01 Sat 20 Mar 2021

nac wrote:
13:26 Wed 17 Mar 2021
Alex Bridgeman wrote:
10:17 Mon 08 Mar 2021
I notice there are also 4 lots of 11/12 bottles of Cabral 40YO Tawny in the sale which look, to my inexpert eye, as though they were bottled in the 1960s.

I don't intend to bid for any of these lots, but if someone buys one of the dozens and would like to share the lot with others, I would be interested in taking 2-3 bottles.
12 bottles of the Cabral 40YO Tawny secured (along with a few others things which I'm likely to partially offload as well). Will let you know once I've received them, but will put some aside for you. A few more bottles will also be available as I really don't 'need' that many.
Excellent, thank you.
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