1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by hadge » 00:01 Fri 19 Mar 2021

yes please

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by Glenn E. » 01:18 Fri 19 Mar 2021

For clarity, my Ramos Pinto is a regular VP not a Quinta da Ervamoira SQVP. I believe that they produced both in 1994, which is a bit of an oddity.
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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by akzy » 09:24 Fri 19 Mar 2021

If I get promoted, I have Dow and Berry's.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by idj123 » 14:00 Fri 19 Mar 2021

Sigh...had already retired for the evening when this opened and so was fully subscribed by the time I got going this morning. Please add me to the waiting list please. Like alot of people have plenty of 94s.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by PhilW » 14:27 Fri 19 Mar 2021

idj123 wrote:
14:00 Fri 19 Mar 2021
Sigh...had already retired for the evening when this opened and so was fully subscribed by the time I got going this morning.
It was fully subscribed within 12 minutes of even being suggested!

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by CPR 1 » 14:28 Fri 19 Mar 2021

PhilW wrote:
14:27 Fri 19 Mar 2021
idj123 wrote:
14:00 Fri 19 Mar 2021
Sigh...had already retired for the evening when this opened and so was fully subscribed by the time I got going this morning.
It was fully subscribed within 12 minutes of even being suggested!
Doggett wrote:
21:29 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Ian Johns says yes please
yes but you made the cut ;-)

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by idj123 » 17:50 Fri 19 Mar 2021

CPR 1 wrote:
14:28 Fri 19 Mar 2021
PhilW wrote:
14:27 Fri 19 Mar 2021
idj123 wrote:
14:00 Fri 19 Mar 2021
Sigh...had already retired for the evening when this opened and so was fully subscribed by the time I got going this morning.
It was fully subscribed within 12 minutes of even being suggested!
Doggett wrote:
21:29 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Ian Johns says yes please
yes but you made the cut ;-)
Indeed I did :D

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by idj123 » 17:55 Fri 19 Mar 2021

And of those not listed at the start of the thread, I believe that I have Ck, Df and Sk.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by jdaw1 » 20:24 Fri 19 Mar 2021

The second post of this thread has been edited to explain the suggested maximum size, and which Ports are chosen. Comment welcomed.

jdaw1 wrote:
21:21 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Ck, Cr, Df, D, F, GC, G, Ni, N, Ps, QH, RP, Rs, SW, S, Sk, T, V, W.
If the RPE is added, to accompany the RP, then which should be removed?

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by winesecretary » 21:54 Fri 19 Mar 2021

I have never participated in a good Noval 94 (sample size small - 4 bottles over ten years - but all from different cases ). I would rather have a potentially rewarding port I have not had than another potentially disappointing Noval.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by jdaw1 » 23:19 Fri 19 Mar 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
21:21 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Hence: Ck, Cr, Df, D, F, GC, G, Ni, Ps, QH, RP, RPE, Rs, SW, S, Sk, T, V, W.
Done.

Also, I’d prefer Kopke over Passadouro. And might also want Cálem over something, that something perhaps being Cockburn. Others?

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by nac » 08:48 Sat 20 Mar 2021

There's a 12bt case of the quite rare Noval 94 in the current BidForWine auction. Looks to be in excellent condition.

Any interest in a group purchase?

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by idj123 » 09:34 Sat 20 Mar 2021

I wouln't mind a couple of these Neil and so yes, although price dependent. What are we potentially loking at in terms of the latter?

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by nac » 09:48 Sat 20 Mar 2021

Opening price is £800 dp inc vat. No buyer’s commission.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by idj123 » 10:15 Sat 20 Mar 2021

nac wrote:
09:48 Sat 20 Mar 2021
Opening price is £800 dp inc vat. No buyer’s commission.
That's not bad although definitely caveat emptor with regards to this wine, as like George, I don't think that I have had a non flawed bottle of this wine although of course someone will now point out a tasting that I have attended to the contrary!

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by idj123 » 10:22 Sat 20 Mar 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
23:19 Fri 19 Mar 2021
jdaw1 wrote:
21:21 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Hence: Ck, Cr, Df, D, F, GC, G, Ni, Ps, QH, RP, RPE, Rs, SW, S, Sk, T, V, W.
Done.

Also, I’d prefer Kopke over Passadouro. And might also want Cálem over something, that something perhaps being Cockburn. Others?
I would agree with replacing the Ck as I think that this is one of most disappointing of the 94s. I also need to update my previous bottle availability ( he says sheepishly) as whilst I do have a bottle of the Sk, I now see that it is empty as I recall drinking it earlier in lockdowm (and it was in good place)!

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by winesecretary » 11:43 Sat 20 Mar 2021

Oddly enough, I see that the only note on the tasting notes list for N 94 is the bottle from the 2019 horizontal of 1994s. Neil would appear to be on the money in saying 'quite rare'.

I also support the removal of Ck from the list for this tasting.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by jdaw1 » 12:13 Sat 20 Mar 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
21:21 Thu 18 Mar 2021
• The purported Skeffington has already been drunk (!), and has been replaced with Kopke.
• General agreement to remove pre-Symington Cockburn, it being replaced with Cálem.

Updated selection: Cá, Cr, Df, D, F, GC, G, K, Ni, Ps, QH, RP, RPE, Rs, SW, S, T, V, W.

Comment? Agreement? Objections?

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by jdaw1 » 12:16 Sat 20 Mar 2021

winesecretary wrote:
11:43 Sat 20 Mar 2021
Neil would appear to be on the money in saying 'quite rare'.
Only 800 dozen were made — Axa had bought Noval in late 1993, hadn’t had time to do the many needed works, so decided to raise quality by aggressive selection.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by Alex Bridgeman » 20:22 Sat 20 Mar 2021

Not already offered by others, I have the following:
  • Martinez
  • Paxton & Whitfield own label
I'd like to see the Martinez included, perhaps instead of the Passadouro?
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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by PhilW » 22:11 Sat 20 Mar 2021

My thoughts:
- Agree with NN exclusion, given youth/cost combination.
- Very much agree to prioritise the RP-RPE for comparison
- I would also prioritise Ni-Ps to have the Passadouro alongside the Niepoort for comparison
- (consequentially disagreeing with JDAW's preference of K > Ps due to point above)
- I would include the Mz now offered from AHB
- Since that would have me including Ps and Mz, if we want the same number of wines per current proposed selection, I would suggest dropping Df and K (and/or GC/SW)

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by jdaw1 » 23:34 Sat 20 Mar 2021

Mike: are you willing to make available printing facilities, such that trimmed A2 becomes possible, which would allow twenty-one glasses?
jdaw1 wrote:
21:21 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Or twenty-one on A2 trimmed to be 1″ = 25.4mm taller than A4, and 86.0mm ≈ 3.39″ less wide than 3×A4. (Radius ≈ 122.841pt ≈ 1.71″ ≈ 43.34mm.)

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(If Mike agrees, will add Fr and Mz.)

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by nac » 09:13 Sun 21 Mar 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
23:34 Sat 20 Mar 2021
Mike: are you willing to make available printing facilities, such that trimmed A2 becomes possible, ...
If Mike can’t, I can.

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by jdaw1 » 11:55 Sun 21 Mar 2021

nac wrote:
09:13 Sun 21 Mar 2021
jdaw1 wrote:
23:34 Sat 20 Mar 2021
Mike: are you willing to make available printing facilities, such that trimmed A2 becomes possible, ...
If Mike can’t, I can.
Thank you.


jdaw1 wrote:
21:21 Thu 18 Mar 2021
Original plan was nineteen; later upgraded to twenty-one.



• Team seemed keen on Mz; and I on Fr.

Updated selection: Cá, Cr, Df, D, Fr, F, GC, G, K, Mz, Ni, Ps, QH, RP, RPE, Rs, SW, S, T, V, W.

Comment? Agreement? Objections?

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Re: 1994s, Tue 16 Nov 2021

Post by hadge » 19:28 Sun 21 Mar 2021

nac wrote:
08:48 Sat 20 Mar 2021
There's a 12bt case of the quite rare Noval 94 in the current BidForWine auction. Looks to be in excellent condition.

Any interest in a group purchase?
i would be keen on a few.

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