2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by jdaw1 » 21:29 Fri 21 May 2021

Justin K wrote:
21:24 Fri 21 May 2021
Just gone from a Fonseca LBV to a Taylor's; is that not a demotion?
See Cruz Ruby Revisited.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by jdaw1 » 21:36 Fri 21 May 2021

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Julian, the organisation of this tasting is a mess, can you please sort it out? Hurry along man, there is no time to lose!
Lordy: is it time to take the food order? Should I assume that we will all still have teeth?

From The Code of Health and Longevity (1818), by Sir John Sinclair, page 123:
It is a custom, which almost universally prevails in the northern parts of Europe, to present a dram, or glass of liqueur, before sitting down to dinner. It answers the double purpose of a whet to the appetite, and an announcement that dinner is on the point of being served up. As the practice has continued so long, most probably it has been found to answer the first of these objects, or at least to do no harm; and the other has the convenience attached to it, of letting those of the company engaged at cards or billiards know, that they should stop, without beginning a new game or party. Along with the dram, is presented on a waiter, little square pieces of cheese, slices of cold tongue, and dried toast, accompanied with fresh caviar, &c.

A celebrated physician, when far advanced in life, found a similar stimulus necessary. After his dinner, which consisted chiefly of broths and fish, (as he could not eat animal food from want of teeth), he drank a pint of port daily, and concluded with a wine glass filled with white sugar and as much rum as it could hold; so that he had fully half a glass of spirit. The same dose was taken every morning about twelve o’clock; and if visiting at that hour, he was accustomed to call for it, as regularly as when he was at home. It was never understood that his health suffered from that practice.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by DRT » 21:42 Fri 21 May 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
21:36 Fri 21 May 2021
DRT wrote:
21:17 Fri 21 May 2021
Julian, the organisation of this tasting is a mess, can you please sort it out? Hurry along man, there is no time to lose!
Lordy: is it time to take the food order? Should I assume that we will all still have teeth?
Starter:Soup
Main: Soup
Savoury: Soup
Dessert: Custard
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by DRT » 21:43 Fri 21 May 2021

Glenn E. wrote:
19:13 Sat 15 May 2021
Are we reconfirming again? I reconfirm!
I reconfirm.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by Andy Velebil » 03:07 Mon 24 May 2021

DRT wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:
19:13 Sat 15 May 2021
Are we reconfirming again? I reconfirm!
I reconfirm.
As do I.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by PhilW » 06:31 Mon 24 May 2021

I'm not dead yet. I reconfirm.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by differentdave » 20:12 Tue 25 May 2021

I can reconfirm both my and my sons attendance. Have been itching to taste a few of the 11's this year but must show restraint. I will be celebrating my 80th birthday shortly after this offline -- My father lived to 82 and was enjoying wine until the end, I am pumped!

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by jdaw1 » 18:11 Wed 26 May 2021

differentdave wrote:
20:12 Tue 25 May 2021
I can reconfirm both my and my sons attendance. Have been itching to taste a few of the 11's this year but must show restraint. I will be celebrating my 80th birthday shortly after this offline -- My father lived to 82 and was enjoying wine until the end, I am pumped!
Most all of us have offspring. If signing on children were allowed, there would be many dozens of my-daddy-signed-me-up-for-this. A policy decision has been taken that this isn’t fair (DRT ruling). The seats belong to Port enthusiasts, giving some amount of priority to those who signed early, and some amount of priority to those with bottles. Offspring who are genuinely enthusiastic about Port will have to charm their own way into the event.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by Justin K » 21:28 Wed 26 May 2021

Julian, not wishing to sart an argument with you regarding non attendance of offspring but you're being a bit hasty. Wouldn't it be good idea to have someone to catch the dribbles and generally keep an eye on us (medical training not obligatory but a definite plus)? I'm also a bit worried about those narrow stairs, I don't want to risk my hip and knee replacement replacements; a young strong she, he or it would come in handy. I think Derek may have to look into this.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by PhilW » 21:32 Wed 26 May 2021

Justin K wrote:
21:28 Wed 26 May 2021
Julian, not wishing to sart an argument with you regarding non attendance of offspring but you're being a bit hasty. Wouldn't it be good idea to have someone to catch the dribbles and generally keep an eye on us (medical training not obligatory but a definite plus)? I'm also a bit worried about those narrow stairs, I don't want to risk my hip and knee replacement replacements; a young strong she, he or it would come in handy. I think Derek may have to look into this.
I believe the organiser already authorised the presence of a nurse; Julian's objection is I think to someone's suggestion of seats passing by inheritance instead of to TPF reserve list, rather than to preclude assistance.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by MigSU » 23:22 Wed 26 May 2021

Offspring as a +1: yes.
Offspring as a replacement: no.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by jdaw1 » 18:41 Thu 27 May 2021

MigSU wrote:
23:22 Wed 26 May 2021
Offspring as a +1: yes.
So bring one of mine as my +1, who thereby takes the seat of a genuine Port enthusiast? No.

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by Glenn E. » 18:54 Thu 27 May 2021

My reading of the rules:

Anyone who wishes to attend and drink (hereinafter a "drinker") must have their own account here on TPF and sign up separately. Accommodations for industry guests to be arranged by the organizer (DRT) or his duly appointed representative (jdaw1).

Others may attend as aids to the drinkers, but do not receive their own portions, and their attendance is subject to the capacity of the event room once that has been determined. Whether or not their drinker shares a sip with them is entirely at the drinker's prerogative.
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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by MigSU » 20:00 Thu 27 May 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
18:41 Thu 27 May 2021
MigSU wrote:
23:22 Wed 26 May 2021
Offspring as a +1: yes.
So bring one of mine as my +1, who thereby takes the seat of a genuine Port enthusiast? No.
Well, I was operating under the assumption that the offspring was also a Port enthusiast (but not a member of TPF, so can't sign themselves up for this). Otherwise they'd have no interest, and would only be there as a care worker (in which case they could be excluded from imbibing any Port at all).

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by jdaw1 » 21:25 Thu 27 May 2021

This tasting was started with the default process for handling people. That process copes well with the then-usual outcome, in which about fourteen would want to attend, a short waitlist holding the others. It has become clear that such a process isn’t robust to a tasting being announced 37¾ years before the event.

As that process doesn’t work, I will soon be announcing a change. This is its proto-announcement, in that it can be changed in the light of reasoning received.

  • The possible attendees are being combined into a single list.
  • Nearer the time, the organiser (originally Derek, now me, but not necessarily remaining me) will select the fourteen attendees. In making that selection, the organiser will have regard to the following.
    • First: Bottles that person would bring.
    • Second: Enthusiasm for Port, at least partly measured by scale and quality of role and presence, both offline and online.
    • Third: pleasurability of company.
    • Distant fourth: timeliness of requesting a place. (This isn’t quite the same as ordering by date of first request: somebody now young who becomes a Port enthusiast might be very timely even if making the request a decade from now.)

Some people hitherto on the list won’t attend by reasons of death or incapability. Others might not attend because the organiser has chosen an attendee thought more suitable. Doubtless those losing by the change won’t like it. Even so, please recognise its broader fairness, and play nice.

— JDAW (new organiser) and DRT (founder organiser).

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Re: 2011 Horizontal - London, Sunday 23rd April 2051

Post by DRT » 08:12 Sun 30 May 2021

jdaw1 wrote:
21:25 Thu 27 May 2021
This tasting was started with the default process for handling people. That process copes well with the then-usual outcome, in which about fourteen would want to attend, a short waitlist holding the others. It has become clear that such a process isn’t robust to a tasting being announced 37¾ years before the event.

As that process doesn’t work, I will soon be announcing a change. This is its proto-announcement, in that it can be changed in the light of reasoning received.

  • The possible attendees are being combined into a single list.
  • Nearer the time, the organiser (originally Derek, now me, but not necessarily remaining me) will select the fourteen attendees. In making that selection, the organiser will have regard to the following.
    • First: Bottles that person would bring.
    • Second: Enthusiasm for Port, at least partly measured by scale and quality of role and presence, both offline and online.
    • Third: pleasurability of company.
    • Distant fourth: timeliness of requesting a place. (This isn’t quite the same as ordering by date of first request: somebody now young who becomes a Port enthusiast might be very timely even if making the request a decade from now.)

Some people hitherto on the list won’t attend by reasons of death or incapability. Others might not attend because the organiser has chosen an attendee thought more suitable. Doubtless those losing by the change won’t like it. Even so, please recognise its broader fairness, and play nice.

— JDAW (new organiser) and DRT (founder organiser).
Agreed.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn

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