Port for sale by retailer

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 21:03 Thu 26 Jun 2008

i have to ask because I never knew, but what is this concept of UB and DP in british sites?

Post by **DRT** » 22:09 Thu 26 Jun 2008

g-man wrote:i have to ask because I never knew, but what is this concept of UB and DP in british sites?

UB = Under Bond (sometimes termed as IB - In Bond). This means that no tax or duty has been paid on the wines at the point of entry into the UK and they must be stored in a Bonded Warehouse until sold with duty and VAT applied. It is possible to buy wine UB and leave it in a bonded warehouse and not pay the duty and tax until you want to take delivery. This is a particularly attractive option for young wines as you can buy them at the tax free price, keep them for 20 or 30 years and then only pay tax on the original purchase price.

DP = Duty Paid. Once the duty (which is about £2 per bottle for fortified wines) has been paid it is not possible to purchase the wines from a retailer without paying VAT at the point of sale.

Derek

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 02:00 Fri 27 Jun 2008

how about if I, in the US, buy the wines.

Do I have to pay the taxes?

Post by **jdaw1** » 03:47 Fri 27 Jun 2008

In-bond wines can be exported,without payment of UK taxes. The US will doubtless impose its own, but not the UK.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 06:57 Sun 29 Jun 2008

<-- proud owner of the ONLY single bid for a case of 1980 Fonseca.

500 inclusive of 20% buyers and shipping.

/me smells an emergency offline coming up.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:42 Sun 29 Jun 2008

You know where to post. You know who to PM. Do it.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 18:45 Sun 29 Jun 2008

jdaw1 wrote:You know where to post. You know who to PM. Do it.

Most definitely,

Recap for those of you wondering

66 Grahams 12 pack hammered at 1400$ (not inclusive)
94 grahams 9 pack hammered at 550$ (not inclusive)

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:46 Sun 29 Jun 2008

Credit crunch is biting.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 20:28 Sun 29 Jun 2008

jdaw1 wrote:Credit crunch is biting.

2000 cheval blanc set records at 9k per case (with 6 cases up for sale)

Perhaps bordeaux can be correlated to the truly rich, and port wine the populous?

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:27 Thu 03 Jul 2008

Spring Street Wine Shop
Soho Wine Gallery Inc
197 Spring Street, NY 10012
Tel 212 219 0521, fax 212 226 3352

1996 CÃƒÂ¡lem Foz $60
1997 Taylor $100
2003 Warre $80
2000 Dalva $70
2003 Presidential $57
1995 Offley Boa Vista $40

Tawnies:
20Y Cockburn $55
30Y Dow $100
20Y Graham $60
40Y Graham $170
40Y Taylor $155

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:49 Fri 04 Jul 2008

Tesco are running their "Buy 6 bottles and get 25% off" sale at the moment, port is included in the sale.

Sainsbury are discounting the Croft Pink Port as their contribution to the price war - currently £7.50.

Post by **DRT** » 22:22 Fri 04 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:Sainsbury are discounting the Croft Pink Port as their contribution to the price war - currently £7.50.

Excellent. Now it is only £7.51 over-priced.

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 15:33 Sat 05 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:
Sainsbury are discounting the Croft Pink Port as their contribution to the price war - currently £7.50.

YES

can you get me a case

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:29 Sat 05 Jul 2008

ADV wrote:
AHB wrote:
Sainsbury are discounting the Croft Pink Port as their contribution to the price war - currently £7.50.
YES can you get me a case

Happily, provided you pay me in advance and give me a note to say "It's not for me, it's for my weird friend. He's Californian, you know."

Do you want it stored in offsite storage for the next 10 years so that you can be the only person in the entire world to own Croft Bottle Aged Traditional Pink Port.

I really wonder what it would be like...but not enough to find out!

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 22:33 Sat 05 Jul 2008

AHB wrote: Do you want it stored in offsite storage for the next 10 years so that you can be the only person in the entire world to own Croft Bottle Aged Traditional Pink Port.

I really wonder what it would be like...but not enough to find out!

Get them relabeled first with a date, and sell them in 25 years as a previously-unknown Pink Colheita

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 01:33 Sun 06 Jul 2008

Although that would be funny to put just one aside for the next 20 years then serve it blind

SLT · Post by **SLT** » 05:03 Mon 07 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:
Do you want it stored in offsite storage for the next 10 years so that you can be the only person in the entire world to own Croft Bottle Aged Traditional Pink Port.

I really wonder what it would be like...but not enough to find out!

Couldn't make it any worse

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 19:37 Tue 08 Jul 2008

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... mber=11549

Fonseca 77

180$

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:49 Sat 12 Jul 2008

Benchmark Wine wrote:Dow Port 1985 ~ 1 @ $69 MB****
Rocha Port 1977 ~ 1 @ $86

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:50 Sat 12 Jul 2008

Aabalat Fine & Rare Wines wrote:1948 Graham Vintage Port - 1.5 Liter - 1 Available at $2,900
1983 Calem Vintage Port - 8 Available at $69.00 each
1997 Calem Vintage Port - 12 Available at $50.00 each
1997 Caves Messias Vintage Port (Quinta Do Cachao) - 1 Available at $32.00
1997 Cockburn Vintage Port - 6 Available at $58.00 each
1991 Dow Vintage Port - 3 Available at $55.00
1997 Ferreira Vintage Port - 1 Available at $42.00
1963 Fonseca Vintage Port - 16 Available at $439.00 each - Pre Arrival
1997 Fonseca Vintage Port - 1 Available at $80.00
1997 Martinez Vintage Port Quinta da Eira Velha - 1 Available at $75.00
1990 Quinta do Vesuvio Vintage Port - 5 Available at $64.00
1995 Warre Vintage Port Quinta da Cavadinha - 2 Available at $35.00 each

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:33 Tue 15 Jul 2008

Philippe Wine & Spirits, 312 West 23rd Street, NY 10011, +1 212 243 1355, “call for delivery†.

$135 Graham 1977 (with an odd label not mentioning the vintage, which I deduced from the capsule)
$104 Warre 1977
$103 Graham 1983
$100 Warre 1985
$95 Cockburn 1983
$95 Taylor 1997
$90 Dow 1983
$85 Warre 1983
$76 Graham 2000
$70 Vesuvio 1995
$70 Dow 1997
$50 Niepoort Quinta do Passadouro 1997
$36 Presidential 1997

Also Taylor 10Y (no price marked); 20Y $47; 30Y $100 and 40Y $140.

Add NYC sales tax to these prices.

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:07 Wed 16 Jul 2008

George Rhys of Southwick Court Fine Wines wrote:George Rhys

Southwick Court Fine Wines Ltd
Southwick Court (London) Fine Wines Ltd
DDI +44 (0)20 7801 2432
Fax +44 (0)20 7228 6677

July 2008.

This is the cheapest 100 point wine Parker has scored!!
20 cases Taylor 2003 £575:00 case 12 bottles IB London.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:28 Wed 16 Jul 2008

Benchmark Wine wrote:Cossart & Gordon Boal Solera 1845 ~ 1 @ $440 WS92 Fantastic fill!!
Quinta do Crasto Douro Reserva Old Vines 2005 ~ 2 @ $39 WS95
Warres Port 1977 ~ 1 @ $90 RP92, WS92, MB***/** torn label

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 20:17 Wed 16 Jul 2008

wow that's an incredible price for the solera

Post by **DRT** » 21:20 Wed 16 Jul 2008

Seckford Wines, Sussex, UK...

2004 - Quinta do Vallado - 6 btl @ 15
2003 - Quinta do Vallado - 6 btl @ 15
2000 - Delaforce - 1 cs @ 195
2000 - Fonseca - 1 cs @ 420
2000 - Fonseca - 6 btl @ 34
2000 - Graham - 2 cs @ 400
2000 - Graham - 1 cs @ 500
2000 - Quinta da Eira Velha - 1 cs @ 120
2000 - Taylor - 6 btl @ 50
1997 - Cockburn - 1 cs @ 240
1997 - Delaforce - 1 cs @ 250
1997 - Fonseca - 6 btl @ 31
1997 - Graham - 1 cs @ 295
1997 - Niepoort - 2 cs @ 395
1997 - Quinta do Vesuvio - 2 cs @ 295 & 6 btl @ 25
1997 - Warre - 2 cs @ 275
1992 - Niepoort - 1 btl @ 30
1992 - Niepoort, Halves - 1 cs @ 260
1992 - Niepoort, Magnums - 2 btl @ 75
1991 - Gould Campbell - 1 cs @ 285
1991 - Graham - 6 btl @ 28
1990 - Quinta de La Rosa - 1 cs @ 150
1985 - Cockburn - 1 cs @ 275
1985 - Dow, Halves - 6 btl @ 15
1985 - Graham, Halves - 6 btl @ 17
1985 - Quarles Harris, Halves - 6 btl @ 10
1985 - Taylor - 5 cs @ 495
1983 - Gould Campbell - 1 cs @ 295
1983 - Royal Oporto - 4 cs @ 195
1982 - Croft - 2 cs @ 180
1977 - Feuerheerd - 1 cs @ 275
1977 - Fonseca - 7 btl @ 80
1977 - Graham - 15 cs @ 650
1977 - Offley Boa Vista - 1 cs @ 350 & 11 btl @ 30
1977 - Taylor - 3 cs @ 775
1977 - Warre - 1 cs @ 495
1977 - Warre, Magnums - 1 btl @ 85
1975 - Fonseca - 1 btl @ 25
1975 - Graham - 2 btl @ 23
1975 - Taylor - 1 cs @ 450 & 9 btl @ 38
1970 - Fonseca - 1 btl @ 75
1970 - Quinta do Noval Nacional - 3 btl @ 350
1970 - Taylor - 1 btl @ 70
1970 - Taylor - 6 btl @ 75
1970 - Taylor - 1 btl @ 66
1970 - Warre - 1 cs @ 675 & 1 btl @ 50
1967 - Martinez - 3 cs @ 295
1966 - Graham - 3 cs @ 990
1966 - Taylor - 1 cs @ 950
1966 - Taylor - 1 cs @ 1100
1966 - Warre - 2 cs @ 795 & 8 btl @ 66
1963 - Croft - 1 cs @ 700
1963 - Fonseca - 1 cs @ 1950 & 11 btl @ 165
1963 - Quinta do Noval Nacional - 5 btl @ 1450
1963 - Warre - 1 cs @ 950
1961 - Quinta de Val Coelho, Halves - 1 btl @ 15
1955 - Taylor - 2 cs @ 2600 & 11 btl @ 220
1947 - Unknown Port - 1 btl @ 195
1945 - Taylor - 2 btl @ 750
1935 - Cockburn - 1 cs @ 3500

Some of those listed above also appear in the July Sale List...

1985 - Dow, Halves - 6 btl @ 13
1977 - Feuerheerd - 1 cs @ 225
1991 - Gould Campbell - 1 cs @ 260
1983 - Gould Campbell - 1 cs @ 270
1985 - Graham, Halves - 6 btl @ 14
1977 - Offley Boa Vista - 1 cs @ 290 & 11 btl @ 24
1990 - Quinta de La Rosa - 1 cs @ 120
1983 - Royal Oporto - 4 cs @ 150
1975 - Taylor - 1 cs @ 390 & 10 btl @ 33
1970 - Warre - 2 btl @ 45

All prices are in £GBP and are exclusive of VAT

They have no Graham's 1985 Halves left

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 01:13 Thu 17 Jul 2008

1970 grahams - 125$
http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... umber=7469

1970 warres - 75$

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... mber=12280

1977 grahams - 94$
http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... mber=12282

1977 taylors 125$

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... mber=12283

1977 warres 73$

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... mber=12285

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:48 Fri 18 Jul 2008

Berry Brothers & Rudd are having a summer sale. Smith Woodhouse 1997 is currently on sale at £11.80 per bottle if you buy 12 or more bottles.

Post by **DRT** » 21:51 Fri 18 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:Berry Brothers & Rudd are having a summer sale. Smith Woodhouse 1997 is currently on sale at £11.80 per bottle if you buy 12 or more bottles.

...and you can buy a case for £97 if, as I just did, you leave it with them In Bond

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:05 Fri 18 Jul 2008

Union Square Wines, 140 Fourth Avenue at 13th Street, NY 10003, +1 212 675 8100.

1994 Churchill magnum $130
2003 Graham $120
2003 Croft $89
2003 Quinta de Roriz $70
2003 Noval $100
2003 Taylor $135
2005 Taylor Vargellas $70
2003 Delaforce $78
2003 Churchill $100

Post by **DRT** » 22:07 Fri 18 Jul 2008

DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:Berry Brothers & Rudd are having a summer sale. Smith Woodhouse 1997 is currently on sale at £11.80 per bottle if you buy 12 or more bottles.
...and you can buy a case for £97 if, as I just did, you leave it with them In Bond

...and according to their website they have 800+ cases left

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:10 Fri 18 Jul 2008

has no TN for SW97. Please, if you have an unposted TN for SW97, de-unpost it.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 22:15 Fri 18 Jul 2008

I've not tried the Smith Woodhouse '97, but at that price and with the reputation that they have and my experience of their other vintages, I was more than happy to risk £10 per bottle.

Where on their website did you see that they have 800+ cases?

Post by **DRT** » 22:52 Fri 18 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:Where on their website did you see that they have 800+ cases?

Try this link.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 22:56 Fri 18 Jul 2008

DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:Where on their website did you see that they have 800+ cases?
Try this link.

All I can find is that there are 3+ cases. Where does it say 800+?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 23:03 Fri 18 Jul 2008

jdaw1 wrote: has no TN for SW97. Please, if you have an unposted TN for SW97, de-unpost it.

I’d posted one at

which is now in the TN Forum. It’s pleasant enough, though not great, and certainly worth getting at that price.

Post by **DRT** » 23:06 Fri 18 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:
DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:Where on their website did you see that they have 800+ cases?
Try this link.
All I can find is that there are 3+ cases. Where does it say 800+?

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 23:10 Fri 18 Jul 2008

Gotcha. When you look at the "in bond" prices, the website tells you how many cases are available.

Thanks.

Post by **DRT** » 23:19 Fri 18 Jul 2008

Just so that people understand how good this SW97 deal is the current http://www.wine-searcher.com low price in the UK is £200 IB, the lowest in the US is £275 before tax is added.

http://www.portlover.com give this wine 90 points.

Buy it.

Derek

PS: The Berry's price is not showing on wine-searcher - interesting!

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 23:19 Fri 18 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:Gotcha. When you look at the "in bond" prices, the website tells you how many cases are available.

Thanks.

Incidentally, their out-of-bond numbers includes both bottles in their cellars at St. James’s and at their out-of-town warehouse. (I’d assumed it was the just the former). This makes it worth calling ahead if you are planning a visit to pick up something in person.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 23:23 Fri 18 Jul 2008

DRT wrote:The Berry's price is not showing on wine-searcher - interesting!

The prices were only released today, so it could be a delay in the Wine Searcher webcrawlers picking up the price.

Or it could be the fact that Berry's have several prices and the crawlers only pick up the first (undiscounted) price.

Or it could be some other reason.

Post by **DRT** » 23:26 Fri 18 Jul 2008

AHB wrote:
DRT wrote:The Berry's price is not showing on wine-searcher - interesting!
The prices were only released today, so it could be a delay in the Wine Searcher webcrawlers picking up the price.

Or it could be the fact that Berry's have several prices and the crawlers only pick up the first (undiscounted) price.

Or it could be some other reason.

But Berry's aren't showing up on the list at all, which suggests that this is a new shipment that has only hit the market today? If so, good spot AHB

It does confuse me slightly why BBR would end up with such a large shipment of port at this price. Surely this is Tesco or M&S territory for Christmas 2008?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 13:12 Sat 19 Jul 2008

It’s now “Buy 6 and save £44.40 (23.5%)† (about £23 a bottle). Serves me right for not ordering on the immediately (I was planning on going over the West End today so could have picked up a half-case in person).

I’ll be interested to hear if they fulfil the orders that you made last night as the price appears to have been a mistake…

Post by **DRT** » 14:22 Sat 19 Jul 2008

JacobH wrote:I’ll be interested to hear if they fulfil the orders that you made last night as the price appears to have been a mistake…

I am sure they will do the honourable thing.

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:07 Mon 21 Jul 2008

Peter Wylie Fine Wines
Tel: +44 (0) 1884 277555 (U.K. office hours, please)
Fax: +44 (0) 1884 277557

1927 1 bt Taylor, EB, Berry Bros & Rudd, bottom shoulder, plain slip label £470 -
1935 1 bt Sandeman, Jubilee, j/b/j, stencilled bottle (D) £325 -
1966 1 bt Croft. EB, Berry Bros & Rudd, h/s, wine stained label £65 -
1966 4 bts Croft. EB, Berry Bros & Rudd, b/n, wine stained labels £75 -
1966 7 bts Croft. EB, Berry Bros & Rudd, h/s, good labels £85 -
Above 12 bottles Croft 1966 x £900
1970 1 bt Warre, EB, Yorkshire Fine Wine Co, Tercentury (300 years) Label, good condition for age £55 -
1985 6 bts Taylor, very good condition, (in 6 bottle owc x 290) £50 -

Post by **DRT** » 11:03 Mon 21 Jul 2008

Patrick Wilkinson wrote:
1958 8 botts Nacional £3600 dp/doz
1970 2 botts Nacional £4320 dp/doz
1963 2 cs and 9 botts Fonseca £1680 dp/doz
1970 14 cs Fonseca £1080 ub/cs
1977 9 botts Fonseca £980 dp/doz
1983 2 cs Fonseca £420 dp/doz
1985 10 cs Fonseca £550 ub/cs
1997 23 cs Fonseca £380 ub/doz
1955 1 MAGS Graham £3000 dp/cs 6 mags
1963 2 cs Graham £1480 dp/cs
1966 1 cs Graham £1100 dp/doz
1970 10 cs Graham £900 dp/cs
1977 8 cs Graham £650 dp/cs
1985 1 cs Graham £500 dp/cs
1955 1 bott Taylor £2700 dp/doz
1966 1 cs Taylor £1050 ub/cs
1970 12 cs Taylor £1050 dp/doz
1977 1 cs Taylor £775 dp/doz
1983 3 cs Taylor £440 dp/doz
1985 14 cs Taylor £520 dp/doz
1994 14 cs Taylor £840 ub/cs
1963 5 cs Warre £980 dp/doz
1966 5 cs Warre £720 dp/cs
1975 2 cs Warre £260 dp/doz
1977 7 cs and 10 botts Warre £550 dp/doz
1983 1 cs Warre £390 dp
1985 2 cs Warre £400 dp/cs
1991 27 cs Warre £250 ub/doz
1945 2 botts Dow £6000 dp/doz
1966 7 cs Dow £1100 dp/doz
1970 4 botts Dow £740 dp/doz
1975 2 cs Dow £270 dp/doz
1977 15 cs Dow £575 ub/cs
1983 5 cs Dow £380 dp/cs
1985 13 cs Dow £400 ub/cs
1991 11 cs Dow £282 dp/cs
1963 62 cs Croft £720 dp/cs
1963 5 single MAGS Croft £720 dp/cs 6 mags
1970 10 botts Croft £480 dp/doz
1977 5 cs Croft £440 dp/cs
1963 15 cs Cockburn £720 dp/cs
1967 3 cs Cockburn £560 ub/cs
1985 7 botts Cockburn £280 ub/doz
1931 1 bott Quinta do Noval £18000 dp/doz
1955 2 botts Quinta do Noval £1500 dp/doz
1966 2 botts Quinta do Noval £750 dp/doz
1970 1 cs Quinta do Noval £495 dp/cs
1985 10 cs and 6 botts Quinta do Noval £280 ub/doz
2000 6 botts Quinta do Noval £440 dp/cs
1977 1 cs Sandeman £440 dp/cs
1985 17 cs Sandeman £285 ub/doz
1970 1 cs Offley Boa Vista £395 dp/doz
1975 1 cs Offley Boa Vista £195 dp/cs
1985 34 cs Offley Boa Vista £245 ub/cs
1977 5 cs Quarles Harris £295 dp/cs
1983 16 cs Quarles Harris £230 ub/cs

All wines are offered subject to remaining in stock E and O.E

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:51 Mon 21 Jul 2008

DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:Berry Brothers & Rudd are having a summer sale. Smith Woodhouse 1997 is currently on sale at £11.80 per bottle if you buy 12 or more bottles.
...and you can buy a case for £97 if, as I just did, you leave it with them In Bond

I was too slow, as Jackie at BBR just told me—by phone—that the In-Bond price is £217 per case. Shame: I was going to take several cases.

ajfeather · Post by **ajfeather** » 17:50 Tue 22 Jul 2008

Lay & Wheeler in the UK are advertising Vesuvio 2006 @ 183/6 in bond

Don't recall having seen 2006's and given the heat in London today buying port was far from my mind.

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:41 Mon 28 Jul 2008

Benchmark Wine wrote: Graham`s Port 1963 ~ 1 @ $315 WS97, RP96 heavy bin soiled label
Graham`s Port 1977 ~ 1 @ $99 RP93, WS93, MB***** slightly scuffed label
Quinta do Crasto Douro Reserva Old Vines 2005 ~ 2 @ $39 WS95
Taylor Port 1963 ~ 1 @ $310 WS97
Taylor Quinta de Vargellas Vinha Velha Port 1995 ~ 10 @ $255 WE97, WS95

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 00:27 Tue 29 Jul 2008

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... mber=12501

Dow Vintage Port 1970 120$

Post by **jdaw1** » 02:44 Sat 09 Aug 2008

Peter Wylie Fine Wines
Tel: +44 (0) 1884 277555 (U.K. office hours, please)
Fax: +44 (0) 1884 277557

1935 1 bt Taylor, b/n, stencilled Jubilee Coronation Year 1935, branded lead capsule, looks fantastic £585 -
1945 1 bt Graham, Oporto bottled, complete wax capsule, very good label £645 -
1945 1 bt Sandeman, b/n, legible branded wax capsule, plain label £445 -
1955 2 bts Sandeman, b/n, legible branded wax capsule, fragile original labels £170 -
1966 2 c/s Taylor, good clean labels, wax capsules £95 £1080
1977 5 c/s Graham, about to arrive, £315 pr 6, o/c - £620

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