Port for sale at auction

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 15:26 Tue 10 Mar 2009

I'm creating a new thread for listing port for sale at auctions (online, catalog, or otherwise) that folks find interesting. I am not suggesting that we in any way collude on bidding, etc, but of course if two people converse quietly on splitting up a mixed case or the like, that's their business.

(I thought we had this thread, but couldn't find it in the past year's worth of posts)

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 15:27 Tue 10 Mar 2009

Some 60's and 70's have been showing up on WineCommune. I forgot to keep an eye on them last time and a 1970 Warre slipped by at $62 (though I suspect their proxy bid was much higher, given that other bottles were going at 140-150). Right now it's 70 Warre and 70 Dow and they've piqued my interest.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 17:50 Tue 10 Mar 2009

I don't trust wine commune at all for these types of 1 bottle transactions.
Chances are, it's someone who found a deal some place, most likely not properly stored
and decided to pawn it off on wine commune.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:54 Tue 10 Mar 2009

Good idea to have such a thread a counterpart to Port for sale by retailer.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 18:33 Tue 10 Mar 2009

g-man wrote:I don't trust wine commune at all for these types of 1 bottle transactions.
Chances are, it's someone who found a deal some place, most likely not properly stored
and decided to pawn it off on wine commune.

Ah, so here's the WineCommune trick -- I only buy them when JJBuckley is the seller. You know its coming from their store, and can simply get it at a discount with some shrewd bidding.

benread · Post by **benread** » 19:18 Tue 10 Mar 2009

How would people feel about having UK and US threads seperately? Most of us are only looking for port in one location or the other!

I do like both threads though.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:27 Tue 10 Mar 2009

SushiNorth wrote:Ah, so here's the WineCommune trick -- I only buy them when JJBuckley is the seller. You know its coming from their store, and can simply get it at a discount with some shrewd bidding.

Please invite JJBuckley to join

and post offers in this thread.

Post by **jdaw1** » 02:30 Sat 21 Mar 2009

Brentwood Wine on 25th March 2009, including the likes of Vargellas 1967 (est: $55 to $75) and CachÃ£o 1967 (est: $45 to $65).

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 02:00 Mon 23 Mar 2009

(just won some Fonseca 1985 and a 1977 Warre)

JJBuckley (reliable) has listed the following items on WineCommune, bidding closes next sunday evening. There are rarely big enough piggybanks to cover the $$s these ports should command, and so I suspect there will be bargains about.
1985 Warre
1985 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Fonseca
1963 Fonseca
1977 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1985 Graham
2000 Graham
1977 Dow
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1963 Fonseca
1963 Warre
1983 Cockburn
1963 Warre
1963 Warre
1985 Graham
1977 Fonseca
1982 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1982 Sandeman
1963 Warre
1977 Fonseca
1985 Fonseca
1977 Fonseca
1985 Warre
1985 Graham
1963 Warre
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Graham
1963 Sandeman
1977 Dow
1977 Graham
(Multiple listings due to bottle lots of differing condition)
JJBuckley charges $3.50 per lot (multiple bottles from a dutch lot are counted as one lot), plus 1% insurance, plus shipping of about $19 +$2/bottle.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 03:00 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Zachy's april 3

880 1 Quinta do Noval Nacional 1985 750ml $150 - 250
1498 12 Fonseca 1985 750ml $550 - 800
1785 2 Cockburn 1927 750ml $1,100 - 1,700

1255 7 Mixed Lot Mixed $500 - 750
Bid
Qty Size Description
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1963
bottom neck, generic label, fully stamped wax capsule, imported by Wine Warehouse, Los Angeles
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1970
bottom neck
1 750ml Dow 1985
bottom neck
1 750ml Gould Campbell 1985
into neck, wine-stained label
1 750ml Graham 1985
bottom neck
2 750ml Taylor Port 1985
one bottom neck, one very top shoulder

1784 6 Mixed Lot Mixed $1,400 - 2,400
Bid
Qty Size Description
1 750ml Sandeman 1911
upper shoulder, bin-soiled label, shipped by BH. Loeb & Co. Ltd., British bottled by John Sanson & Son, Leicester, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman Port 1945
one into neck, one bottom neck, one nicked label, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
1 750ml Sandeman Port 1946
into neck, bin-soiled label, shipped by Avery's, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman 1955
one into neck, one bottom neck, two nicked labels, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 14:42 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Would it make sense to place some low bids on Fonseca and Warre 1963? It would definitely make our offline complete.

SushiNorth wrote:(just won some Fonseca 1985 and a 1977 Warre)

JJBuckley (reliable) has listed the following items on WineCommune, bidding closes next sunday evening. There are rarely big enough piggybanks to cover the $$s these ports should command, and so I suspect there will be bargains about.
1985 Warre
1985 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Fonseca
1963 Fonseca
1977 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1985 Graham
2000 Graham
1977 Dow
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1963 Fonseca
1963 Warre
1983 Cockburn
1963 Warre
1963 Warre
1985 Graham
1977 Fonseca
1982 Sandeman
1963 Sandeman
1982 Sandeman
1963 Warre
1977 Fonseca
1985 Fonseca
1977 Fonseca
1985 Warre
1985 Graham
1963 Warre
1977 Taylor Fladgate
1977 Graham
1963 Sandeman
1977 Dow
1977 Graham
(Multiple listings due to bottle lots of differing condition)
JJBuckley charges $3.50 per lot (multiple bottles from a dutch lot are counted as one lot), plus 1% insurance, plus shipping of about $19 +$2/bottle.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 14:46 Mon 23 Mar 2009

RonnieRoots wrote:Would it make sense to place some low bids on Fonseca and Warre 1963? It would definitely make our offline complete.

I would not recommend bothering to bid until the weekend, and you will want to be online when the auction concludes as there is lots of 1$ upping at the last. If bidding actually showed your username in the bid history, it would be worth it simply so that we knew who was "in it," but bidders are anonymized.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:46 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Josh: please would you take charge of this. Bid something low but more than fire-sale at whatever time you deem best. Costs will be reimbursed.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 18:32 Mon 23 Mar 2009

RonnieRoots wrote:Would it make sense to place some low bids on Fonseca and Warre 1963? It would definitely make our offline complete.

jdaw1 wrote:Josh: please would you take charge of this. Bid something low but more than fire-sale at whatever time you deem best. Costs will be reimbursed.

What should be the maximum spent on the bottle, not including shipping? Consider what your alternative sources are for the bottles, and best-price-elsewhere. I'll bid up to that # (less the $3.50 service fee).

Here's where they are at, now... This is unusually high, 6 days before the end of the auction, and there are a number of bigger names that I haven't seen bidding since last spring (the traditional port sell-off)

1963 Fonseca (fill into neck) $111
1963 Fonseca (fill base-neck, cracked capsule) $91
1963 Warre (fill into neck, sign of slight seepage) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is nicked and slightly corroded) $72
1963 Warre (fill midneck) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is slightly corroded) $22
1963 Warre (fill high neck) $28

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 18:52 Mon 23 Mar 2009

SushiNorth wrote:
What should be the maximum spent on the bottle, not including shipping? Consider what your alternative sources are for the bottles, and best-price-elsewhere. I'll bid up to that # (less the $3.50 service fee).

Here's where they are at, now... This is unusually high, 6 days before the end of the auction, and there are a number of bigger names that I haven't seen bidding since last spring (the traditional port sell-off)

1963 Fonseca (fill into neck) $111
1963 Fonseca (fill base-neck, cracked capsule) $91
1963 Warre (fill into neck, sign of slight seepage) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is nicked and slightly corroded) $72
1963 Warre (fill midneck) $72
1963 Warre (fill into neck, capsule is slightly corroded) $22
1963 Warre (fill high neck) $28

The 63 Fonseca never goes below 150 (including tax/shipping) retail that I've seen in the states.
The 63 warre i have no idea but can't possibly be more then the fonseca.

Post by **DRT** » 20:13 Mon 23 Mar 2009

beware of lurkers here who may outbid you by $1

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 20:23 Mon 23 Mar 2009

Oporto bottled W63 has a high incidence of leakers and/or poor levels - good fills are something of a rarity. UK bottlings are not often seen.

Tom

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 20:27 Mon 23 Mar 2009

DRT wrote:beware of lurkers here who may outbid you by $1

how bout you wait for a minute left. and sneak in a bid that's 2$ higher, so teh 1$ highers can't get in =)

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 20:33 Mon 23 Mar 2009

DRT wrote:beware of lurkers here who may outbid you by $1

LOL! You have to bid up to your absolute maximum. It'll auto-bid in increments for you. If they bid $1 more, that was $1 more than you were willing to spend. Sucks, but cut the losses.

I lost a few bottles last night that way. The tough part was that I needed to be sure I got my big lot (the 85 Fonseca) to fill out enough of the case to make shipping worth it. I delayed the two 1-bottle lots before it by bidding in $1 increments just before each auction closed (thus extending it 5 minutes). Once I had the Fonseca's, i pursued others more vigorously.

I didn't let anything go until it was no longer economically logical; no-one got a great deal if i was bidding.

Post by **DRT** » 21:08 Mon 23 Mar 2009

I was trying to caution against discussing maximum bids here as others will then know what you will bid as your max, and perhaps bid $1 more.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:58 Mon 23 Mar 2009

We need these: bid at least $25,000 each. (Ha! That’ll teach ’em.)

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 01:18 Mon 30 Mar 2009

Some interesting stuff at the upcomign zachy's

Lot 1784 6 Mixed Lot Mixed $1,400 - 2,400
Bid
Qty Size Description
1 750ml Sandeman 1911
upper shoulder, bin-soiled label, shipped by BH. Loeb & Co. Ltd., British bottled by John Sanson & Son, Leicester, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman Port 1945
one into neck, one bottom neck, one nicked label, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
1 750ml Sandeman Port 1946
into neck, bin-soiled label, shipped by Avery's, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618
2 750ml Sandeman 1955
one into neck, one bottom neck, two nicked labels, Provenance: Zachys, June 20, 2008 "The Adamson Collection Part II", lot 1618

Lot 1731 12 Warres 1977 750ml $600 - 900

Lot 1730 6 Fonseca 1970 750ml $500 - 750 - I think I'm going to try and win this one.

Lot 1255 7 Mixed Lot Mixed $500 - 750
Bid
Qty Size Description
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1963
bottom neck, generic label, fully stamped wax capsule, imported by Wine Warehouse, Los Angeles
1 750ml Taylor Fladgate 1970
bottom neck
1 750ml Dow 1985
bottom neck
1 750ml Gould Campbell 1985
into neck, wine-stained label
1 750ml Graham 1985
bottom neck
2 750ml Taylor Port 1985
one bottom neck, one very top shoulder

Lot 1498 12 Fonseca 1985 750ml $550 - 800

Post by **jdaw1** » 01:38 Mon 30 Mar 2009

1784 might be a wine investor fallen on hard times.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 02:07 Mon 30 Mar 2009

heh, i might bid on that one too

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 02:14 Mon 30 Mar 2009

No 63's were won at auction tonight.

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 16:30 Tue 31 Mar 2009

Brentwood Wine had a Niepoort 2000 up that started at $20. I put in an auto-bid up to $50, but 'burgundyman' out-bid me. So I drove him up to $70, which is essentially retail price for the bottle because there are various places on the web selling at or around that price.

I hope that isn't any of you guys!

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 20:35 Mon 06 Apr 2009

JJ Buckley has an interesting bottle for auction at winecommune.com... it is a 1927 C Da Silva Fine Douro Port Five Crown Port. What makes it really interesting is that the auction has no reserve, and bidding currently sits at $12.

My reading of the label says this is just a basic ruby, and so therefore probably long past being drinkable. If that is the case, then $12 for what is simply an interesting bottle is probably about right (at least to me). But if this is actually a Vintage Port it might make a great bottle to have for the next Old & Odd.

What do you think? Drinkable or no?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 20:43 Mon 06 Apr 2009

Glenn E. wrote:What do you think? Drinkable or no?

Only one way to find out

. Shame it probably didn’t get any wine from 1927 if that was the year in which it was bottled.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 20:44 Mon 06 Apr 2009

Glenn E. wrote:JJ Buckley has an interesting bottle for auction at winecommune.com... it is a 1927 C Da Silva Fine Douro Port Five Crown Port. What makes it really interesting is that the auction has no reserve, and bidding currently sits at $12.

My reading of the label says this is just a basic ruby, and so therefore probably long past being drinkable. If that is the case, then $12 for what is simply an interesting bottle is probably about right (at least to me). But if this is actually a Vintage Port it might make a great bottle to have for the next Old & Odd.

What do you think? Drinkable or no?

i might have to throw in 15$ bid =)

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 20:45 Mon 06 Apr 2009

Well it does say "Port of the 1927 Vintage" on the label, so it probably does contain 1927 grapes.

Now I'm second guessing... wouldn't a "Port of the 1927 Vintage" be a VP?

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 20:46 Mon 06 Apr 2009

g-man wrote:i might have to throw in 15$ bid =)

I'm planning to wait until closer to close and then bid on it. There's 6 days left right now... no point in attracting attention to the auction just yet.

Post by **jdaw1** » 01:16 Fri 10 Apr 2009

Bonham’s, 28th April 2009, lot 589 wrote:Hutcheson 1970 (1)
Warre 1975 (10) (2 top shoulder)
Graham 1980 (3)

14 bottles
Estimate: £280 - 340

For which I shan’t be bidding.

Post by **DRT** » 02:13 Fri 10 Apr 2009

jdaw1 wrote:
Bonham’s, 28th April 2009, lot 589 wrote:Hutcheson 1970 (1)
Warre 1975 (10) (2 top shoulder)
Graham 1980 (3)

14 bottles
Estimate: £280 - 340
For which I shan’t be bidding.

Do you think a bid of £1.28 will win? Slightly overstated but worth the risk I think.

Derek

Post by **jdaw1** » 02:43 Fri 10 Apr 2009

Three bottles of Graham 1980 are worth ≈£120, so this lot should go for about £100 hammer.

Post by **DRT** » 02:55 Fri 10 Apr 2009

jdaw1 wrote:Three bottles of Graham 1980 are worth ≈£120, so this lot should go for about £100 hammer.

I was banking on 10 x bottles of 1975 having a negative effect

Post by **jdaw1** » 05:28 Fri 10 Apr 2009

No no no. You don’t understand. 1975s are worth zero. It’s only the Hutcheson 1970 that’s worth negative.

benread · Post by **benread** » 07:14 Fri 10 Apr 2009

jdaw1 wrote:No no no. You don’t understand. 1975s are worth zero. It’s only the Hutcheson 1970 that’s worth negative.

After our experience at the RAF Club, someone would have to pay me to put the Hutcheson 1970 in my mouth!

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 11:59 Tue 14 Apr 2009

Glenn E. wrote:Now I'm second guessing... wouldn't a "Port of the 1927 Vintage" be a VP?

Not necessarily - could be colheita or even LBV.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 13:43 Tue 14 Apr 2009

Glenn E. wrote:JJ Buckley has an interesting bottle for auction at winecommune.com... it is a 1927 C Da Silva Fine Douro Port Five Crown Port. What makes it really interesting is that the auction has no reserve, and bidding currently sits at $12.

Did anyone from

buy this in the end? The final price was $168.00.

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 16:22 Tue 14 Apr 2009

Not I. It rapidly climbed out of my price range for something that old and of completely unknown quality.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 16:25 Tue 14 Apr 2009

Glenn E. wrote:Not I. It rapidly climbed out of my price range for something that old and of completely unknown quality.

i think toberdick is the "house" buyer whenever something doens't hit reserves.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 18:05 Tue 14 Apr 2009

g-man wrote:i think toberdick is the "house" buyer whenever something doens't hit reserves.

He's bid on lots of things I wouldn't touch, and often higher than I. However, given that he hasn't exclusively purchased from JJB and used to sell, I'm betting just another port nut. I sent him a note to see

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 13:46 Fri 17 Apr 2009

Morrell's has an auction coming up, for a no label, believed to be taylors 1924 ..
I've got a bid in, but was wondering is < 300$ worth a punt?
The fill is consistent with a 1924 bottle (or possibly poor storage of a much younger bottle)

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 16:14 Fri 17 Apr 2009

Mid shoulder fill and signs of seepage...at that price an easy pass.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 16:21 Fri 17 Apr 2009

Andy V wrote:Mid shoulder fill and signs of seepage...at that price an easy pass.

yea, but a perfect fill of this bottle will run in the 1000$ from the last christie's auction...

are you saying it's an easy pass because it won't be drinkable?

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 16:27 Fri 17 Apr 2009

At that age and condition, it's a crap shoot. You've got a 50/50 chance that it is either good or bad. What worries me the most is the low fill level combined with signs of seepage. To me that's the death sentence for such an old bottle. If you're willing to take that risk, then go ahead. For me, I'd rather wait for another opportunity with a bottle in better condition and pay a little more. THere are lots of older bottles in great condition you can buy in the $300 range.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 16:32 Fri 17 Apr 2009

Andy V wrote:At that age and condition, it's a crap shoot. You've got a 50/50 chance that it is either good or bad. What worries me the most is the low fill level combined with signs of seepage. To me that's the death sentence for such an old bottle. If you're willing to take that risk, then go ahead. For me, I'd rather wait for another opportunity with a bottle in better condition and pay a little more. THere are lots of older bottles in great condition you can buy in the $300 range.

ah okay I see, doesn't signs of seepage mean that the fill level will go down anyway? =) ...
Was hoping for better then 50/50 chance since if it is a 24, the year might be good enough to take a punt.
I've got a bid in at 240$... which with buyers would hit about 280$

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 22:38 Fri 01 May 2009

Hart davis has an upcoming auction the 16th of may.

some interesting bits

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... lot_no=681 Fonseca 1991

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... lot_no=683 cockburn 94

http://www.hdhwine.com/content.cfm?Cont ... lot_no=586 Fonseca 70

and a croft 94 which Josh and I are eyeing, as I'm over my monthly fonseca budget =)

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 18:28 Sat 16 May 2009

think someone's been reading our notes.
10 pack of f 1970 - 1600$

and the croft went unreasonably at 340$ ~ 56$ / bottle

who are these people overpaying?

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 22:15 Sat 16 May 2009

Feh. Too high by far.