27 Nov 2013, The Bung Hole, 83@30

Post by **DRT** » 22:17 Mon 21 Oct 2013

That is why I valued it at £0 for the purposes of this tasting.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:26 Mon 21 Oct 2013

DRT wrote:I valued it at £0

Overpriced.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 11:20 Tue 22 Oct 2013

I am securing some Niepoort 83!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:58 Tue 22 Oct 2013

Christopher wrote:I am securing some Niepoort 83!

Brilliant. Boring placemat question - initials (etc) of your guest?

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 20:54 Tue 22 Oct 2013

I may well be too late but if not, can I be put down for this tasting-or else add me to the reserve list? I know I have a Graham's 83 I can put up although not sure what else.

Ian

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:08 Tue 22 Oct 2013

You're in, Ian.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 10:27 Thu 24 Oct 2013

An update. Instead of bringing my Cálem I will bring one of these and we can see what we think of it / what we think it is. Should be interesting alongside the GC and QH.
RAB will be bringing the Roeda as discussed.
We will have these delivered to JDAW if agreeable? Possibly next week.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 14:17 Mon 28 Oct 2013

I will bring the Warre if that is not already spoken for

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:20 Sun 03 Nov 2013

While I'm on a roll I'm doing these placemats. Could everyone choose what they're bringing / adopting and post?
Also if anyone is in touch with CMAG, please ask him his guest's initials and handedness.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:21 Sun 03 Nov 2013

CPR 1 wrote:I will bring the Warre if that is not already spoken for

I'm putting you down for this on the placemats..

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:32 Sun 03 Nov 2013

djewesbury wrote:Also if anyone is in touch with CMAG, please ask him his guest's initials and handedness.

Unless you have better information assume Tom Forcier, TF, rightie.

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 20:58 Mon 04 Nov 2013

Daniel, put me down for Graham's please.

Ian

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 21:22 Mon 04 Nov 2013

If there is space could you include me please...I have the odd '83 but happy to adopt if required.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:39 Mon 04 Nov 2013

idj123 wrote:Daniel, put me down for Graham's please.

Ian

Cookie wrote:If there is space could you include me please...I have the odd '83 but happy to adopt if required.

Done

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 13:20 Thu 14 Nov 2013

Daniel,

I assume we're at capacity or is there room for a +1-I have a friend who would be interested in attending?

Ian

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:27 Thu 14 Nov 2013

Hi Ian

I make it that we have 11 at the moment - so room for another, hopefully they'll want to adopt something..?

I should repeat my request for everyone to declare what they're bringing or adopting - I will shortly disappear into undergraduate essay marking, so I want to get the first draft of the placemats complete if possible.

Thanks!
D

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:13 Thu 14 Nov 2013

djewesbury wrote:I should repeat my request for everyone to declare what they're bringing or adopting

jdaw1 wrote:If wanted, I could bring a Churchill Agua Alta 1983, that for some years was stored only mediumly well. So I’ll also adopt.

No idea what I am adopting. Tom?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 16:35 Thu 14 Nov 2013

idj123 wrote:a +1-I have a friend who would be interested in attending

Ian

Can you give me initials please - and whether left- or right-handed

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 18:37 Thu 14 Nov 2013

AJH and he's a 'leftie'.
Ian

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 21:51 Sat 16 Nov 2013

I shall bring the Offley Boa Vista if nobody objects.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:18 Sat 16 Nov 2013

Cookie wrote:I shall bring the Offley Boa Vista if nobody objects.

Thanks, and thanks Ian... placemats updated.

Post by **DRT** » 22:32 Sat 16 Nov 2013

DRT wrote:That is why I valued it at £0 for the purposes of this tasting.

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I should repeat my request for everyone to declare what they're bringing or adopting
jdaw1 wrote:If wanted, I could bring a Churchill Agua Alta 1983, that for some years was stored only mediumly well. So I’ll also adopt.
No idea what I am adopting. Tom?

Me neither. Tom?

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 21:00 Mon 18 Nov 2013

Daniel,
Can you put my guest down for a Dow?
Thanks.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:22 Mon 18 Nov 2013

Thanks Ian

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:33 Mon 18 Nov 2013

We now have 12 persons and (presumably) 13 ports (8 declared).
I believe we also have a bottle of Riesling for dinner, that TBH 'lost' the evening of the Halloween tasting.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 19:51 Tue 19 Nov 2013

I have various adoptibles that have not already been bagged:

Cockburn
Feuerheerd
Fonseca (which I think I will volunteer for me)
Gould Campbell
Kopke
Noval Nacional
Royal Oporto
Smith Woodhouse
Taylor

- Please choose!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 19:59 Tue 19 Nov 2013

uncle tom wrote:Noval Nacional

Might we need some collective rebalancing if we are to open this?

Do we want to adopt it as a group?

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 22:08 Tue 19 Nov 2013

Might we need some collective rebalancing if we are to open this?

Whilst it might excel, I only hold it in moderate esteem, given my experiance of neighbouring NNs (although I don't think I've ever tried this particular one)

Have had this bottle for the best part of a decade, but will let it go at cost.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:22 Tue 19 Nov 2013

uncle tom wrote:I have various adoptibles that have not already been bagged:

Cockburn
Feuerheerd
Fonseca (which I think I will volunteer for me)
Gould Campbell
Kopke
Noval Nacional
Royal Oporto
Smith Woodhouse
Taylor

- Please choose!

I need an adoption, and choose Kopke. Just a single K to the placemat maker (who isn’t me); and also the ChAA.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 02:03 Wed 20 Nov 2013

uncle tom wrote:
Might we need some collective rebalancing if we are to open this?
Whilst it might excel, I only hold it in moderate esteem, given my experiance of neighbouring NNs (although I don't think I've ever tried this particular one)

Have had this bottle for the best part of a decade, but will let it go at cost.

Please specify that cost (here or by PM) and we can evaluate whether to add it as a group adoption.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 02:21 Wed 20 Nov 2013

Three adoptions and the question of the Nacional remain to be resolved.

Can DRT, WPS and CMAG's +1, believed-TF, please select from Tom's list. (May I suggest that Gould Campbell, Smith Woodhouse and Taylor should be represented.)

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:08 Wed 20 Nov 2013

djewesbury wrote:Can DRT, WPS and CMAG's +1, believed-TF, please select from Tom's list.

Daniel: you make the choices that need to be made, and announce that your choices are binding if not over-ruled by 6pm Friday. Make the choices here; PM the relevant people with their ‘choices’ and the deadline; and it’s decided by the deadline.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:21 Wed 20 Nov 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Can DRT, WPS and CMAG's +1, believed-TF, please select from Tom's list.
Daniel: you make the choices that need to be made, and announce that your choices are binding if not over-ruled by 6pm Friday. Make the choices here; PM the relevant people with their ‘choices’ and the deadline; and it’s decided by the deadline.

Done.
WS1 - Taylor
DRT - Gould Campbell (WOTN at the tasting Axel mentioned a couple of pages back)
TF - Smith Woodhouse

Tom to decide whether to bring the NN and if so, a suitable amount for those wishing to buy in.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:34 Wed 20 Nov 2013

First draft of the placemats. Provisional, to be made much more wonderful, page 1 to be mirrored; glasses placements to be made more logical (eg SFE on one sheet). (Even though JDAW is not doing these placemats, we may rest assured that he is keeping a close eye.)

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:13 Wed 20 Nov 2013

For a 1983 tasting the ZX Spectrum font is very appropriate. But I didn’t choose it, despite my website having a wonderful map of that classic ZX Spectrum game, Jet Set Willy II.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 14:04 Wed 20 Nov 2013

djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Can DRT, WPS and CMAG's +1, believed-TF, please select from Tom's list.
Daniel: you make the choices that need to be made, and announce that your choices are binding if not over-ruled by 6pm Friday. Make the choices here; PM the relevant people with their ‘choices’ and the deadline; and it’s decided by the deadline.
Done.
WS1 - Taylor
DRT - Gould Campbell (WOTN at the tasting Axel mentioned a couple of pages back)
TF - Smith Woodhouse

Tom to decide whether to bring the NN and if so, a suitable amount for those wishing to buy in.

Fine by me; will ask uncle Tom for the bill

regards

WS1

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:18 Wed 20 Nov 2013

Thanks Wolfgang, and Derek also (by PM).
We are nearly ready to taxi down the runway...

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 19:13 Wed 20 Nov 2013

Re. Adoptions..

There is a large disparity between the cost of bottles - would the adopters prefer me to average them out??

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 19:21 Wed 20 Nov 2013

uncle tom wrote:Re. Adoptions..

There is a large disparity between the cost of bottles - would the adopters prefer me to average them out??

Tom, this seems fair. Please make the appropriate calculations.
Also, please decide re the NN as you see fit. If you wish to open it with us, then we can all choose to pay in on the same basis as the system used for the Ni66 we enjoyed with Chris D. earlier in the year... If you prefer to hold on to it, then do.

Post by **DRT** » 19:38 Wed 20 Nov 2013

Based on numerous previous experiences, including a number tasted at the quinta, I expect the NN83 to be nothing other than very disappointing. It isn't just bad NN, it is bad VP.

Post by **DRT** » 19:38 Wed 20 Nov 2013

uncle tom wrote:Re. Adoptions..

There is a large disparity between the cost of bottles - would the adopters prefer me to average them out??

That seems very fair.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 19:39 Wed 20 Nov 2013

DRT wrote:Based on numerous previous experiences, including a number tasted at the quinta, I expect the NN83 to be nothing other than very disappointing. It isn't just bad NN, it is bad VP.

This is worth bearing in mind.

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 21:10 Wed 20 Nov 2013

DRT wrote:Based on numerous previous experiences, including a number tasted at the quinta, I expect the NN83 to be nothing other than very disappointing. It isn't just bad NN, it is bad VP.

This seems preposterous. I've had the NN84 before, and while it was not exceptional, it was also not bad. Tasted blind, I believe I rated it 84 points. Is NN83 dramatically worse than NN84?

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:27 Wed 20 Nov 2013

Glenn E. wrote:
DRT wrote:Based on numerous previous experiences, including a number tasted at the quinta, I expect the NN83 to be nothing other than very disappointing. It isn't just bad NN, it is bad VP.
This seems preposterous. I've had the NN84 before, and while it was not exceptional, it was also not bad. Tasted blind, I believe I rated it 84 points. Is NN83 dramatically worse than NN84?

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18555#p18555]Here[/url] SushiNorth wrote:Caramel apple red in color, this Quinta do Noval Nacional 1983 was hopefully just an off bottle. Beyond the heat in the nose was an intense and overpowering smell of celery, followed by fennel seeds, chocolate, and (per EricD) Rhubarb. I never found jdaw's passionfruit, nor did the celery diminish or orange peel evolve as some suggested late in the evening. To taste, it was all celery, with fruit beneath and a touch of licorice. (no score)

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=40024#p40024]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:NN83, #1: red-brown, 40% opacity. Off. RMM ‟not good”. AHB ‟very harsh”. Not drunk.

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=40025#p40025]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:NN83, #2: red-brown, 40% opacity. No nose recorded. To taste heat. Light. ‟Utterly unremarkable”, I wrote, before remarking ‟Good weight into good length unctuous sweetness”.

So I’ve had NN83 thrice: one ‟off bottle”, one ‟not good”, the best ‟Utterly unremarkable”.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 13:56 Fri 22 Nov 2013

It seems my darling wife has arranged to go out for dinner with her port work chums the evening of our Christmas shopping trip. That leaves me alone at home, kicking my heels on the night of 27th November. What is a boy to do?

So, if there's still space, I am in. Just need to look at the list of who is bringing what and see whether I need to adopt from Tom or if I have something at home that isn't already represented.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 14:10 Fri 22 Nov 2013

AHB wrote:It seems my darling wife has arranged to go out for dinner with her port work chums the evening of our Christmas shopping trip. That leaves me alone at home, kicking my heels on the night of 27th November. What is a boy to do?

So, if there's still space, I am in. Just need to look at the list of who is bringing what and see whether I need to adopt from Tom or if I have something at home that isn't already represented.

A good friend from Germany just told me he will be in London next Wednesday. Since he will bring precious old materials (wine) over for me I have to see him. So I opt out and you can have my place and adoption.

regards

WS1

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 14:30 Fri 22 Nov 2013

AHB wrote:So, if there's still space, I am in. Just need to look at the list of who is bringing what and see whether I need to adopt from Tom or if I have something at home that isn't already represented.

Thanks Wolfgang.

Tom - could I adopt please. Keep the list of bottles being adopted by the group the same and I'll pick up my third of the pooled cost. Thanks.

Also, I would vote against including the 1983 Nacional. While fun to try, it is not good value for money.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:30 Fri 22 Nov 2013

WS1 wrote:
AHB wrote:It seems my darling wife has arranged to go out for dinner with her port work chums the evening of our Christmas shopping trip. That leaves me alone at home, kicking my heels on the night of 27th November. What is a boy to do?

So, if there's still space, I am in. Just need to look at the list of who is bringing what and see whether I need to adopt from Tom or if I have something at home that isn't already represented.
A good friend from Germany just told me he will be in London next Wednesday. Since he will bring precious old materials (wine) over for me I have to see him. So I opt out and you can have my place and adoption.

regards

WS1

Sorry not to see you there Wolfgang; welcome Alex.
Placemat updated.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:31 Fri 22 Nov 2013

AHB wrote:
AHB wrote:So, if there's still space, I am in. Just need to look at the list of who is bringing what and see whether I need to adopt from Tom or if I have something at home that isn't already represented.
Thanks Wolfgang.

Tom - could I adopt please. I'd like you to add the Cockburn to the list of bottles being adopted by the group. I still hope to find a good one of these one day, but don't decant it before travelling to the Bung Hole. I'll filter it when it arrives and hope the lack of exposure to the air holds back the development of any TCA. Thanks.

Also, I would vote against including the 1983 Nacional. While fun to try, it is not good value for money.

Are you suggesting we replace Taylor with Cockburn?

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 14:33 Fri 22 Nov 2013

djewesbury wrote:
AHB wrote:
AHB wrote:So, if there's still space, I am in. Just need to look at the list of who is bringing what and see whether I need to adopt from Tom or if I have something at home that isn't already represented.
Thanks Wolfgang.

Tom - could I adopt please. Keep the list of bottles being adopted by the group the same and I'll pick up my third of the pooled cost. Thanks.

Also, I would vote against including the 1983 Nacional. While fun to try, it is not good value for money.
Are you suggesting we replace Taylor with Cockburn?

No. You copied and pasted before I edited to reflect Wolfgang's post.