How strange! It's the other way around for me!DRT wrote:For me, on every page including the index pages the logo does not link to anything but the words ThePortForum.com do.
I am confused by your comment
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
I'm accessing from Apple devices using Firefox, Safari and Tapatalk.
What are you using?
What are you using?
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
the same. I go to (eg) the Port Conversations page, click on the logo and it takes me to the index. Clicking on ThePortForum.com does nothing.DRT wrote:I'm accessing from Apple devices using Firefox, Safari and Tapatalk.
What are you using?
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Was the site coded from scratch or does it use a proprietary template? Perhaps our caches are storing different iterations of the main page frame; or perhaps different versions of Safari (etc) resolve the code / tags differently.DRT wrote:Bizarre.
Yes, bizarre.
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We have been using different Styles to view the forum. I have been using PortForumRed, you PortForumRed2012.
I have switched and now see what you see.
The index pages are built from the rubble of an earlier version so have retained those features from the previous style. Will fix.
I have switched and now see what you see.
The index pages are built from the rubble of an earlier version so have retained those features from the previous style. Will fix.
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Brilliant. I consider that my good deed / troublesome waste of time of the day.
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Fixed.DRT wrote:We have been using different Styles to view the forum. I have been using PortForumRed, you PortForumRed2012.
I have switched and now see what you see.
The index pages are built from the rubble of an earlier version so have retained those features from the previous style. Will fix.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
The TN Index pages have been updated.
93 TN's have been added since 1 Oct 2013.
93 TN's have been added since 1 Oct 2013.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Did you update the alphabetical listing in the last few days? If so, there are a handful of manual changes that need to be made.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
No, I haven't updated for a while. Please let me know when manual changes have been applied and I will update.AHB wrote:Did you update the alphabetical listing in the last few days? If so, there are a handful of manual changes that need to be made.
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All is readyDRT wrote:No, I haven't updated for a while. Please let me know when manual changes have been applied and I will update.AHB wrote:Did you update the alphabetical listing in the last few days? If so, there are a handful of manual changes that need to be made.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?

Should the TN threads linked from here be deleted? On the right is an extract from the voting page, showing planned attendees. It seems unlikely that any will now post a TN.
Any disagreement?
Edit: this post P.M.’d to Axel P, WS1, and christopherpfaff.
Later edit:
Even later edit:Axel P, by PM, wrote:No, go ahead and remove those.
WS1, by PM, wrote:agreed!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
The TN Index files have been updated. Sixty-eight TNs have been added since 3rd November.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Done.jdaw1 wrote:the TN threads linked from here be deleted
Re: Time for a TN sort?
TN Index threads have been updated.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
I have some work to do to tidy up some naming errors. I will do this work over the next couple of weeks.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Please sir, might we have another TN update for me to do my work on?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Ahem?AHB wrote:Please sir, might we have another TN update for me to do my work on?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Please can we have another tasting note update. There's a shed load of new tasting notes since the last update.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
{sackcloth and ashes}
I will use this evening's train journey to London to do this.
I will use this evening's train journey to London to do this.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
The index has now been updated.
Four hundred and twenty tasting notes have been added since 3rd May 2014.
Four hundred and twenty tasting notes have been added since 3rd May 2014.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Now to do my stuff...DRT wrote:The index has now been updated.
Four hundred and twenty tasting notes have been added since 3rd May 2014.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Your stuff? You mean there's something else you have to do beyond type up thousands of TNs?AHB wrote:Now to do my stuff...DRT wrote:The index has now been updated.
Four hundred and twenty tasting notes have been added since 3rd May 2014.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
AHB is The Port Forum Vice President of Quality Assurance (Tasting Notes). He looks for errors in the indexing and reports them to the The Port Forum Vice President of Sticking a Spanner in the Database (Tasting Notes).djewesbury wrote:Your stuff? You mean there's something else you have to do beyond type up thousands of TNs?AHB wrote:Now to do my stuff...DRT wrote:The index has now been updated.
Four hundred and twenty tasting notes have been added since 3rd May 2014.
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Wow. Talk about bureaucracy.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
It is necessary for the efficient running of the Republic.djewesbury wrote:Wow. Talk about bureaucracy.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
There's a famous election slogan by former Chancellor Willy Brandt: "Let's dare more democracy!" When someone wants to criticise too much red tape in Germany, this is turned into "Let's dare more bureaucracy!".djewesbury wrote:Talk about bureaucracy.

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Re: Time for a TN sort?
And it's your taxes which pay for all the bureaucracy.djewesbury wrote:Wow. Talk about bureaucracy.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
OK. My stuff is done. Could you do another extract for us please to pick up all the corrections?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Mr T, are you busy this weekend?AHB wrote:OK. My stuff is done. Could you do another extract for us please to pick up all the corrections?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
I'm in Edinburgh. Will try to do this tomorrow.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
No probs. Just let me know when it's done and I'll take a look for things I've missed.DRT wrote:I'm in Edinburgh. Will try to do this tomorrow.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
The index has been updated.
Twenty seven TNs were added since the last update.
Twenty seven TNs were added since the last update.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
There have been a large number of tasting notes added in the last quarter. Please could we have another TN update?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Yes. I am on leave this week so will find time to do this.AHB wrote:There have been a large number of tasting notes added in the last quarter. Please could we have another TN update?
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Did you manage to do a TN update?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Sorry, Easter Weekend should present an opportunity to do so.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Nudge.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Did someone with the knowledge to be able to do so run an extract of the tasting notes so that I can perform my syntactical magic?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
The index has been updated today. Four hundred and sixty two tasting notes have been added to the forum since 2nd Dec 2014.
Good work on the TNs; shoddy on the updates.
AHB - you have work to do on fixing thread titles. You might want to remind the culprits of this.
Good work on the TNs; shoddy on the updates.
AHB - you have work to do on fixing thread titles. You might want to remind the culprits of this.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Thank you.DRT wrote:The index has been updated today.
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Hoorah! Starting work now.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
I've finished working my magic and noticed some interesting things when I was going through the index. I have a perception that we drink or taste some pretty old stuff. While it's true that we do, less than I had imagined. We have 5,295 tasting notes in our database but only 47 of those are of ports which were made in the 19th century. The oldest tasting notes are from June 2007. The most frequently tasted vintage is 1970 (380 notes), the oldest 1815 (2 notes) and an honourable mention to the 1863 vintage having 10 notes. We have 421 tasting notes on non-vintage ports.
Among the big shipper we have a real shortage of notes on older vintages. Ferreira is well represented and includes 1815, 1830, 1834, 1863 and then a jump to 1917. We have notes for Sandeman 1873 and 1884 and for Croft 1896 and 1904. There is an isolated tasting note for Dow 1896 but then the next oldest vintage of Dow we have tasted is the 1945. We have note tasted vintage wines from any of the other shippers which are from the 19th century.
We have 4,870 tasting notes of vintage dated ports. 82 (1.7%) of these are of ports which were 100 years old or more when we tasted them. 26 were in their 90s, 66 in their 80s, 96 in their 70s, 110 in their 60s, 370 in their 50s, 733 in their 40s, 804 in their 30s, 830 in their 20s, 858 in the age range 10-19 inclusive, 887 with ages 2-9 (which covers cask samples and new releases) and even 9 pre-release samples!
Among the big shipper we have a real shortage of notes on older vintages. Ferreira is well represented and includes 1815, 1830, 1834, 1863 and then a jump to 1917. We have notes for Sandeman 1873 and 1884 and for Croft 1896 and 1904. There is an isolated tasting note for Dow 1896 but then the next oldest vintage of Dow we have tasted is the 1945. We have note tasted vintage wines from any of the other shippers which are from the 19th century.
We have 4,870 tasting notes of vintage dated ports. 82 (1.7%) of these are of ports which were 100 years old or more when we tasted them. 26 were in their 90s, 66 in their 80s, 96 in their 70s, 110 in their 60s, 370 in their 50s, 733 in their 40s, 804 in their 30s, 830 in their 20s, 858 in the age range 10-19 inclusive, 887 with ages 2-9 (which covers cask samples and new releases) and even 9 pre-release samples!
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
My stuff now finished. I have chastised myself for my many and egregious errors in naming convention.
Over to you DRT to do the refresh.
Over to you DRT to do the refresh.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
It's about 6 months since we last updated the TN database - could we run another update please?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: Time for a TN sort?
Perhaps sometime in the not too distant future?
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
Re: Time for a TN sort?
Ta-da!!!!
I have done something useful during my four hour delay at Leeds Bradford Airport en route to an emergency in Belfast. I feel a little better for it, but not much.
Grrrr to FlyBe
I have done something useful during my four hour delay at Leeds Bradford Airport en route to an emergency in Belfast. I feel a little better for it, but not much.
Grrrr to FlyBe

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