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Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 21:44 Tue 09 Sep 2008
by DRT
Team: vote.
- Sighted: JDAW;
- Blind: SushiNorth, g-man, DRT*.
DRT
*I get a vote for donating the bags 
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 21:53 Tue 09 Sep 2008
by DRT
Do you need me to Fed-Ex the Team Glasses?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 22:08 Tue 09 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:*I get a vote for donating the bags
Think more carefully about the precedents you set. Do you really want me to get a vote at every tasting at which my placemats are used?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 22:18 Tue 09 Sep 2008
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:DRT wrote:*I get a vote for donating the bags
Think more carefully about the precedents you set. Do you really want me to get a vote at every tasting at which my placemats are used?
Yes.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 23:26 Tue 09 Sep 2008
by g-man
jdaw1 wrote:If we do it blind, we can do better than that. I have labelled bags—courtesy of DRT.
But it is a team decision. Team: vote.
- Sighted: JDAW;
- Blind: SushiNorth, g-man.
If we do it blind, somebody (probably Mrs Facciol) will put bottles in bags. We’ll taste. When everybody has sampled and guessed, we’ll reveal. Then there can be further tasting, sighted. Then food.
Steph would volunteer bagging if we do blinds as she prefers not to be too overly involved in guessing at these things.
And what about food actually... A key component to any tasting.
Jay, any suggestions?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 01:29 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
Suggestions for food btw anyone?
Would you guys be interested in a chinese which goes very well with port ? (Schezuan or cantonese cooking in particular)
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 01:33 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by DRT
g-man wrote:Suggestions for food btw anyone?
Would you guys be interested in a chinese which goes very well with port ? (Schezuan or cantonese cooking in particular)
Can I object even though I will not be there? This is possibly the worst food suggestion I have ever seen for a VP off-line. Sorry, g-man, save the Chinese for a cheap LBV
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 01:41 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
DRT wrote:g-man wrote:Suggestions for food btw anyone?
Would you guys be interested in a chinese which goes very well with port ? (Schezuan or cantonese cooking in particular)
Can I object even though I will not be there? This is possibly the worst food suggestion I have ever seen for a VP off-line. Sorry, g-man, save the Chinese for a cheap LBV
it's okay, I'll forgive you for your blasphemy. I've lived in London for 3 months and was horrified with the options of chinese food you guys have out there.
On a side discussion, you do realize that China is roughly 39x's the size of the UK which would lead to a incredible variety of cooking styles depending on region =)
If you make it to state side by oct 12th, you are most welcome to my wedding party to sample traditional cantonese chinese cuisine =)
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:18 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
G-man’s wedding reception will have excellent food. But it won’t go with port.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:19 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
heh possibly.. I did start out as a cognac drinker first.
but roast suckling pig... is an excellent paring with brawny vintage ports .. like taylor 77
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:34 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by DRT
g-man wrote:heh possibly.. I did start out as a cognac drinker first.
but roast suckling pig... is an excellent paring with brawny vintage ports .. like taylor 77
I agree. But not Chinese flavoured (from any of the 2345 gastronomic regions) suckling pig. Just a suckling pig, roasted, but not over-roasted.
Great vintage port should always be paired with a second glass of the same or another great vintage port. Some cheese or chocolate may be consumed after you have tasted the Great Vintage Port.
Port, good Port and bad Port can be paired with cheese, choclolate or Chinese food. Cruze Ruby can be used to wash down a Vindaloo.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:41 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
ahh yes yes, we both agree on that =) ...
I would sht a brick if i saw someone drinking a fonseca 94 without first appreciating it for what it is first!
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:49 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
how about garlic lamb with port?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:57 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by TBird
blind has absolutely no benefits for me(this event), but i can easily go with the flow.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:59 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by jfacciol
I love the suggestion that my wife would do anything for the tasting other than allowing it. Whatever is done will be done by us.
I vote for non-blind. I don't even know what the point of a blind tasting is. So that we can try to guess what a particular port is?
How did we get to eleven? I only have room (and chairs) for ten. Who is the eleventh?
I assumed that we would just order in food from a local restaurant. Jeff, are you suggesting that you would bring something?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:03 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
- Sighted: JDAW, FF (2 votes as he is the host and agrees with me), MW (is that the correct interpretation of the post?);
- Blind: SushiNorth, g-man (and, grudgingly, a half vote for DRT).
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:07 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by DRT
jfacciol wrote: I don't even know what the point of a blind tasting is. So that we can try to guess what a particular port is?
No. So that you can laugh at the poeple who profess to know the distinctive attributes of particular shippers and vintages yet cannot tell a Ruby from a Nacional 63 when blindfolded
Try it. It can be very enlightening.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:08 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
jfacciol wrote:I love the suggestion that my wife would do anything for the tasting other than allowing it. Whatever is done will be done by us.
I vote for non-blind. I don't even know what the point of a blind tasting is. So that we can try to guess what a particular port is?
How did we get to eleven? I only have room (and chairs) for ten. Who is the eleventh?
I assumed that we would just order in food from a local restaurant. Jeff, are you suggesting that you would bring something?
if people would like a big chunk of protein that would be prohibitively expensive at a restaurant, I'm happy to cook it at home and bring it over. It would, though, have to be supplmented by food from a local restaurant regardless.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:16 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by jfacciol
No. So that you can laugh at the poeple who profess to know the distinctive attributes of particular shippers and vintages yet cannot tell a Ruby from a Nacional 63 when blindfolded
We already know that folks can't even differentiate white and red wine, much less varieties of vintage port.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:19 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
jfacciol wrote:No. So that you can laugh at the poeple who profess to know the distinctive attributes of particular shippers and vintages yet cannot tell a Ruby from a Nacional 63 when blindfolded
We already know that folks can't even differentiate white and red wine, much less varieties of vintage port.
heh, but I do recall our first port tasting jay, in which you suggested if there are particular defining characteristics in a particular house.
I was curious about the comment and think that between the graham's, dow and fonseca that I could probably pick out the house styles.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:19 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by DRT
jfacciol wrote:No. So that you can laugh at the poeple who profess to know the distinctive attributes of particular shippers and vintages yet cannot tell a Ruby from a Nacional 63 when blindfolded
We already know that folks can't even differentiate white and red wine, much less varieties of vintage port.
Agreed. But have you ever witnessed JDAW mistake an LBV for a Fonseca 66?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:28 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
Port, finalized:
* Fonseca:
o 1983 Jeff;
o 1985 Jeff;
* Gould Campbell:
o 1983 Jay;
o 1985 Jay;
* Nacional:
o 1983 Eric; / Dave will chip in
o 1985 JDAW.
* Dow:
o 1983 Subir Adopted
o 1985 SushiNorth;
* Graham:
o 1983 TBird;
o 1985 Subir Adopted:
People in attendance: Dave, Eric, Jay, Josh, Julian, Jeff, Mike, Molly, Steph, Subir
Food: To be ordered from local restaurant around the area.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:40 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
g-man wrote:if people would like a big chunk of protein that would be prohibitively expensive at a restaurant, I'm happy to cook it at home and bring it over. It would, though, have to be supplmented by food from a local restaurant regardless.
Hmmm. Good idea. Bring an uncooked steak. Eat it.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 03:43 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by g-man
jdaw1 wrote:g-man wrote:if people would like a big chunk of protein that would be prohibitively expensive at a restaurant, I'm happy to cook it at home and bring it over. It would, though, have to be supplmented by food from a local restaurant regardless.
Hmmm. Good idea. Bring an uncooked steak. Eat it.
i only have 4 pounds left of a prime aged beef tenderloin. Surely not enough for a crowd. With different preferences on wellness, beef is not one cut of protein I'd be inclined to try to appease our fellow port tasters.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 13:48 Wed 10 Sep 2008
by TBird
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jdaw1 wrote:- Sighted: JDAW, FF (2 votes as he is the host and agrees with me), MW (is that the correct interpretation of the post?);
- Blind: SushiNorth, g-man (and, grudgingly, a half vote for DRT).
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 13:51 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
Decanting Times?
Suggestion: all bottles should be decanted around 11am to midday. Objections?
- Fonseca:
- Gould Campbell:
- Nacional:
- 1983 Eric; / Dave will chip in;
- 1985 JDAW;
- Dow:
- 1983 Subir Adopted;
- 1985 SushiNorth;
- Graham:
- 1983 TBird;
- 1985 Subir Adopted.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 14:27 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by differentdave
I usually taste blind so doing it sighted is a nice change for me
gman any time you want me in your neck of the woods?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 14:50 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
- Sighted: JDAW, FF (2 votes as he is the host and agrees with me), MW, differentdave);
- Blind: SushiNorth, g-man (and, grudgingly, a half vote for DRT).
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 14:59 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by g-man
Jay is it okay if I bring some food over? (And save on some of the costs of ordering)
I was thinking of picking up a leg of lamb and roasting it in the morning to bring over?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 16:39 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by jfacciol
Jeff, how can I refuse such a generous offer?
Please do bring over a leg of lamb (unless there are objections from the rest of attendees).
Jay
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 17:42 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
Lamb: yummy, yes please.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 19:10 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by differentdave
If you want I can pick up a cheesecake or two (or three) again if you guys want, any preference on flavor? just a couple to choose from..
Classic Armeretto Banana Blueberry Cannoli Cream Caramel Swirl Chambord (Rasberry) Cherry Chocolate
Chocolate Chip Chocolate/Rasberry Chocolate Swirl Harvey's Bristol Cream Irish Cream Kahlua Keylime
Mango Milkyway Mint Chocolate Chip Oreo Cookie Peach Peanut Butter Pina Colada Pineapple
Praline Pumpkin (Seasonal) Reeses Peanut Butter Cup Snickers Strawberry Turtle 3 Musketeers Banana Strawberry
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 19:28 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
Mr. Bill's Cheesecakes? Plainer is better, for me please, but count that as only half a vote as I’m not that cheesecaketastic.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 19:43 Thu 11 Sep 2008
by g-man
btw, the leg of lamb just told me it voted for a blind tasting.
And I might need two, each leg is only 5-8 pounds.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 00:44 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by jfacciol
Do the cheesecakes get a vote also?
I also vote for a simpler cheesecake (they were delicious at the 1970 tasting).
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 01:20 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by TBird
cheesecake means nothing to me, as i'm watching my girlish figure...
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 04:51 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by SushiNorth
jdaw1 wrote:- Sighted: JDAW, FF (2 votes as he is the host and agrees with me), MW (is that the correct interpretation of the post?);
- Blind: SushiNorth, g-man (and, grudgingly, a half vote for DRT).
I think you've got my vote confused. I'd appreciate the bottles being bagged so I don't make a decision based purely on $$, but after the first sip & first impression, I'd like to promptly know what it is as guessing won't do me any good
For me, one of the best things I hope to learn at this tasting is where my preferences fall in terms of house style.
So does that count as blind, sighted, or just dazed?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 05:03 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by SushiNorth
jdaw1 wrote:Decanting Times?
Suggestion: all bottles should be decanted around 11am to midday. Objections?
Hmm, I'm fine with that but would point to this
tasting note and ask -- are we looking for consistency in decanting times, or optimal? From your last 85 tasting, there seemed to be a preference to give Dow's more time.
G83 everyone seemed content with 8 hrs.
TBird, as this is effectively your bottle, shall I decant for you using the paper coffee filter method around noon? Or do you have a different preference?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 12:39 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
Quite right. Dow 1985 this afternoon, being Friday? Objections?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 13:28 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by g-man
Festivities start at 6pm correct?
Preferences on the Fonseca 85 decant? I've noticed mentions of 8-10 hours.
The fonseca 83 I prefer it at 1-3 hours worth of decanting. Enough to blow off the nose and let it breathe, any more and I've always found it disjointed. Too long and I find it overly soft.
Does any one have any suggestions?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 13:31 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
F85 in the early Saturday morning works for me.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 13:51 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by TBird
thank you and please do what is best/consistant with the others.
SushiNorth wrote:jdaw1 wrote:Decanting Times?
TBird, as this is effectively your bottle, shall I decant for you using the paper coffee filter method around noon? Or do you have a different preference?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 13:55 Fri 12 Sep 2008
by SushiNorth
I think this is all shaping up quite well -- could I ask that everyone keep track of when bottles are decanted as it will be insightful for the tasting notes. (also, and i doubt i have to ask, but could I encourage those of you who have had more port than I to consider whether bottles were decanted long enough/too-long/etc in your notes? Would be very helpful)
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 01:06 Sat 13 Sep 2008
by jfacciol
If this tasting is done blind, who plans to run all the pours and placement of glasses?
Remember that this is a comparison between 83 and 85 so someone needs to know which is Dow, etc. The person will also have to determine in what order each flight of two glasses is drunk.
I certainly do not plan to do any of this. It sounds boring and time consuming
Who is the volunteer?
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:03 Sat 13 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
Blind outvoted, so sighted. We will do an (easier) tasting blind on a subsequent date.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 02:49 Sat 13 Sep 2008
by g-man
bad news on the leg of lamb.. my supermarket sold out!!!
I'll try another market tomorrow.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 14:56 Sat 13 Sep 2008
by jdaw1
From the double-horizontal, 1983 and 1985, on Saturday 13 September 2008 at the home of
jfacciol in Brooklyn.
Re: Double horizontal of ’83 and ’85, Brooklyn, Sat 13 Sept ’08
Posted: 19:04 Sat 13 Sep 2008
by g-man
wow no leg of lamb anywhere..
Pork shoulder for you guys tonight.