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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 15:58 Mon 12 May 2014
by djewesbury
Autocorrected solecisms don't count! See TPF v Various, above.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:19 Mon 12 May 2014
by djewesbury
Autocorrected solecisms don't count! See TPF v Various, above.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:09 Tue 13 May 2014
by SCP-DFF
Is this more pedantic than we need to be? C'mon geeks. Lemme hear your thoughts on this one. My view? It's just silly.

http://www.businessinsider.com/commas-i ... tes-2014-5

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:29 Tue 13 May 2014
by djewesbury
SCP-DFF wrote:Is this more pedantic than we need to be? C'mon geeks. Lemme hear your thoughts on this one. My view? It's just silly.

http://www.businessinsider.com/commas-i ... tes-2014-5
This is just silly. You are right as usual.
I think that if we are going to have such things as 'Oxford commas', and accept that these are a matter of personal taste or style, then we must also be able to accept that the separation of verbal phrases in compound predicates (!) is likewise a question of the author's or editor's own taste.
If I were Gus Lubin and attempting to defend the English language from depredation, I might start elsewhere. Like anywhere but the USA.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 16:58 Tue 13 May 2014
by Glenn E.
No, I agree with the author. All of those examples look wrong to me.

I do not claim perfection, and I am sure that I mis-use commas at least occasionally, but I do try to use them correctly. There's no comma between John eating a slice and drinking a bottle, nor should there be.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 17:15 Tue 13 May 2014
by DRT
It is interesting that only one half of the house of Wiseman has posted here on the comma debate.

I agree, and disagree with much of what has been said.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:00 Tue 13 May 2014
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:I agree, and disagree with much of what has been said.
Interesting use of a comma. Should you have used another? "And disagree" appears to be a parenthetical clause, requiring a terminating comma.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:04 Tue 13 May 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:I agree, and disagree with much of what has been said.
Interesting use of a comma. Should you have used another? "And disagree" appears to be a parenthetical clause, requiring a terminating comma.
Two bear traps were laid in my previous post. Congratulations for not standing on the other one.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:38 Tue 13 May 2014
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:I agree, and disagree with much of what has been said.
Interesting use of a comma. Should you have used another? "And disagree" appears to be a parenthetical clause, requiring a terminating comma.
Two bear traps were laid in my previous post. Congratulations for not standing on the other one.
Making intentional errors on a thread for pedants must entertain someone I suppose.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:21 Tue 13 May 2014
by Glenn E.
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:I agree, and disagree with much of what has been said.
Interesting use of a comma. Should you have used another? "And disagree" appears to be a parenthetical clause, requiring a terminating comma.
Two bear traps were laid in my previous post. Congratulations for not standing on the other one.
I believe you did not lay the other trap. You merely reset it.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:44 Tue 13 May 2014
by DRT
Glenn E. wrote:I believe you did not lay the other trap. You merely reset it.
I merely lifted the leaves that had been scattered lightly over it so the the unwary might see it before setting it off.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:56 Tue 13 May 2014
by DRT
It feels wrong to do this when he has only just returned to the fold, but…

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:59 Tue 13 May 2014
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:It feels wrong to do this when he has only just returned to the fold, but…
Personally, I think that Owen should be granted the same dispensation as Uncle Tom.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:01 Tue 13 May 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Personally, I think that Owen should be granted the same dispensation as Uncle Tom.
There was a time when the same might have been said about me. Just read the first few pages of this thread for the evidence. There is hope for everyone.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:01 Tue 13 May 2014
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Personally, I think that Owen should be granted the same dispensation as Uncle Tom.
There was a time when the same might have been said about me. Just read the first few pages of this thread for the evidence. There is hope for everyone.
Even Tom?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:04 Tue 13 May 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Even Tom?
Especially Tom. Someone who can remember how not to blow himself up every day can surely remember where an apostrophe does or doesn't go?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:11 Tue 13 May 2014
by Glenn E.
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Even Tom?
Especially Tom. Someone who can remember not to blow himself up every day can surely remember where an apostrophe does or doesn't go?
I dunno. He owns an explosives factory and a bar. What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:12 Tue 13 May 2014
by djewesbury
Glenn E. wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Even Tom?
Especially Tom. Someone who can remember not to blow himself up every day can surely remember where an apostrophe does or doesn't go?
I dunno. He owns an explosives factory and a bar. What could possibly go wrong?
The apostrophes. And nothing else. Hopefully. Right?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:40 Mon 26 May 2014
by djewesbury

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 04:08 Tue 27 May 2014
by CaliforniaBrad
"Dual in the City" was the headline in a commercial I just saw about a two team track meet. Unless they're running a pair of meets at the same time, I think someone goofed.


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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 15:19 Tue 27 May 2014
by Glenn E.
CaliforniaBrad wrote:"Dual in the City" was the headline in a commercial I just saw about a two team track meet. Unless they're running a pair of meets at the same time, I think someone goofed.
Maybe they're planning to race these up and down main street?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 16:19 Tue 27 May 2014
by djewesbury
Two team track meet.
Huh?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:45 Tue 27 May 2014
by CaliforniaBrad
djewesbury wrote:Two team track meet.
Huh?
Two schools each pick athletes to represent them in the meet. In each event contested, the athletes score points for their school based on place. The school with the most points accumulated is the winner.


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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:26 Tue 27 May 2014
by djewesbury
CaliforniaBrad wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Two team track meet.
Huh?
Two schools each pick athletes to represent them in the meet. In each event contested, the athletes score points for their school based on place. The school with the most points accumulated is the winner.


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Ohhhh. I seeeee.
Very educational, this thread.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:51 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=76929#p76929]Here[/url] flash_uk wrote:This hotel has less than 100 rooms, so is not a 40 floor massive chain hotel.
As a result of this thread people are making fewer errors, but some still happen.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:57 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=76929#p76929]Here[/url] flash_uk wrote:This hotel has less than 100 rooms, so is not a 40 floor massive chain hotel.
As a result of this thread people are making fewer errors, but some still happen.
We dealt with this simultaneously, but in different ways.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 10:07 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by flash_uk
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=76929#p76929]Here[/url] flash_uk wrote:This hotel has less than 100 rooms, so is not a 40 floor massive chain hotel.
As a result of this thread people are making fewer errors, but some still happen.
We dealt with this simultaneously, but in different ways.
Hmm. Oxford thinks otherwise:

Less is also used with numbers when they are on their own and with expressions of measurement or time, e.g.:

His weight fell from 18 stone to less than 12.

Their marriage lasted less than two years.

Heath Square is less than four miles away from Dublin city centre

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 10:12 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by flash_uk
Actually on reflection, Oxford does agree!

Sackcloth!

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 10:54 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
I wondered whether people would think that “40 floor” should have been a compound adjective, “40-floor”. Presumably your silence on this matter was caused by you not seeing it as an error.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 13:28 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by flash_uk
jdaw1 wrote:I wondered whether people would think that “40 floor” should have been a compound adjective, “40-floor”. Presumably your silence on this matter was caused by you not seeing it as an error.
I did also consider that it was the 40 floor causing offense.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 17:04 Fri 06 Jun 2014
by Glenn E.
jdaw1 wrote:I wondered whether people would think that “40 floor” should have been a compound adjective, “40-floor”. Presumably your silence on this matter was caused by you not seeing it as an error.
That was what I assumed the error to be.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:55 Sun 08 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
This is not an error.
It was entirely deliberate, to emphasise the lack of respect.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:03 Sun 08 Jun 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:This is not an error.
It was entirely deliberate, to emphasise the lack of respect.
That is a double error. Hats off to your attempt to go all street, but diss has no apostrophe (nor does Diss).

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 07:21 Mon 09 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:but diss has no apostrophe (nor does Diss).
I know. But an apostrophe can signify a contraction, something missing. Such as, presumably, respect.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 07:31 Mon 09 Jun 2014
by djewesbury
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:06 Mon 09 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:53 Mon 09 Jun 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 15:03 Mon 09 Jun 2014
by djewesbury
The real grammar Nazis!
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:48 Wed 11 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
What is the :tpf: policy on split infinitives?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:51 Wed 11 Jun 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:
What is the :tpf: policy on split infinitives?
That there is no such thing as a split infinitive. I understood that the concept was invented by one or other nineteenth-century public school headmaster who, observing the single-word infinitive of Latin, decided that the two-word infinitive of English should follow exactly the same rule.
Whatever your personal preference is (in Julian's case, this is generally communicated with the word 'Yuk'), it's not a rule.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:05 Wed 11 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
Welcome to The Port Forum, devotees of which admire, alas at too great a distance, many of the things done in 1834, 1840, 1847, 1851, 1878, 1896, and some other fine years of the nineteenth century.

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:10 Wed 11 Jun 2014
by djewesbury
I plan to enjoy as much of the produce of these years as I can. But I also like not having cholera, having a choice about whether to vote, and being able to get to Porto in two hours. Let man split infinitive with man - or with woman!

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:45 Thu 12 Jun 2014
by jdaw1

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:50 Thu 12 Jun 2014
by DRT
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I'm not sure what was wrong with my sentence, but I do know what was wrong with my accuser's BBcode.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 08:31 Fri 13 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:I'm not sure what was wrong with my sentence, but I do know what was wrong with my accuser's BBcode.
Better, or best? You might have meant the latter, but it is more likely that you will claim that you meant the latter.

And I am less skilled at BBcode on Tapatalk than on a desktop. (Actually, I typed it correctly, not knowing that Tapatalk would substitute characters. And then I didn’t check my work. Tut tut.)

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 08:37 Fri 13 Jun 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Better, or best? You might have meant the latter, but it is more likely that you will claim that you meant the latter.
I meant the latter.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:41 Sun 15 Jun 2014
by jdaw1
Daughter’s homework, corrected in grey felt pen.
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:55 Tue 22 Jul 2014
by djewesbury
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8414&p=79738#p79738]Here[/url], DRT wrote:I will continue to excerpt the full force of my legendary willpower to avoid buying 2010.
Interesting. How will you do that?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:16 Tue 22 Jul 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8414&p=79738#p79738]Here[/url], DRT wrote:I will continue to excerpt the full force of my legendary willpower to avoid buying 2010.
Interesting. How will you do that?
I plead Tapatalk on iPhone auto-correct nightmare.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:22 Tue 22 Jul 2014
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8414&p=79738#p79738]Here[/url], DRT wrote:I will continue to excerpt the full force of my legendary willpower to avoid buying 2010.
Interesting. How will you do that?
I plead Tapatalk on iPhone auto-correct nightmare.
Luckily, you got me on a Rebekah Brooks day rather than an Andy Coulson day. You are free to go with your fragrant reputation untarnished, sorry for bothering you ma'am.