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Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 19:57 Mon 06 Oct 2014
by AW77
Here is an interesting BBC article that might be relevant to this thread:
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201409 ... ammar-nazi
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:40 Mon 06 Oct 2014
by PhilW
"BBC Worldwide (International Site)
We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee"
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:18 Mon 06 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote:"BBC Worldwide (International Site)
We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee"
Same for me. So, obviously, it applies only to foreigners.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 19:45 Tue 07 Oct 2014
by AW77
That's quite strange. While the international programme may not be funded by the licence fee, it will certainly be funded by the taxes you pay. So I think you as tax payers should be entitled to it.
Shall I post the whole article here on the forum or would the moderators advise against that due to copyright difficulties this might ensue?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 19:55 Tue 07 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
AW77 wrote:That's quite strange. While the international programme may not be funded by the licence fee, it will certainly be funded by the taxes you pay. So I think you as tax payers should be entitled to it.
Shall I post the whole article here on the forum or would the moderators advise against that due to copyright difficulties this might ensue?
BBC Worldwide is an entirely commercial enterprise and therefore not funded through the licence fee...
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:05 Tue 07 Oct 2014
by AW77
djewesbury wrote:
BBC Worldwide is an entirely commercial enterprise and therefore not funded through the licence fee...
Old Reith would not have liked that at all...
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:10 Tue 07 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
AW77 wrote:djewesbury wrote:
BBC Worldwide is an entirely commercial enterprise and therefore not funded through the licence fee...
Old Reith would not have liked that at all...
Well, the letters BBC originally stood for British Broadcasting Company. It was a private enterprise, running the radio station 2LO from a building on the Strand (Marconi House I think). The Managing Director was John Reith. It wasn't until 1927 that it was nationalised. So Reith would have been fairly comfortable with the current arrangement!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 18:38 Wed 08 Oct 2014
by Glenn E.

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Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:56 Wed 08 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
Re previous post, it’s the
Residencial Ponto Grande in Pinhão, a different error having been corrected since Google’s car visited.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 11:46 Thu 09 Oct 2014
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:Re previous post, it’s the
Residencial Ponto Grande in Pinhão, a different error having been corrected since Google’s car visited.
I can't tell at this resolution, but is there an additional error in the diagonal arms of the Union Jack?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:32 Thu 09 Oct 2014
by Glenn E.
PhilW wrote:jdaw1 wrote:Re previous post, it’s the
Residencial Ponto Grande in Pinhão, a different error having been corrected since Google’s car visited.
I can't tell at this resolution, but is there an additional error in the diagonal arms of the Union Jack?
As I recall, yes, but it looks to me like that particular error exists in both pictures. I have not found the corrected error to which he refers.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 17:40 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by DRT
This wasn't the most annoying thing that O2 did to me today but it is all the physical evidence I have:

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Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:18 Sun 26 Oct 2014
by PhilW
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:40 Sun 26 Oct 2014
by DRT
Not again.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not…
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:41 Sun 26 Oct 2014
by DRT
DRT wrote:Not again.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not…
Actually, I disagree that this was a crime. Discuss.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:41 Sun 26 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:DRT wrote:Not again.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not…
Actually, I disagree that this was a crime. Discuss.
PIN number?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:47 Sun 26 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
There is genuine ambiguity. TPF is a contraction of a definite-article-adjective-noun, but is also a standalone compound noun. It is both. So there is definitely ugliness, but not a crime.
Derek: are you willing to plead to being ugly but not criminal?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:49 Sun 26 Oct 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Derek: are you willing to plead to being ugly but not criminal?
I could, but wouldn't that seem implausible to women reading this thread?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 03:32 Mon 27 Oct 2014
by Glenn E.
DRT wrote:DRT wrote:Not again.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not repeat my thes.
I must not…
Actually, I disagree that this was a crime. Discuss.
I agree with your disagreement. In this case, "TPF" is an adjective describing the equivalent. Even if not abbreviated I would include both thes.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 08:55 Mon 27 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
Hooray, Derek is spared!! Free to roam the

corridors again, making comments hither and thither.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:15 Sun 02 Nov 2014
by DRT
On page 136 of the December 2014 edition its magazine, Decanter wrote:

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Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:24 Sun 02 Nov 2014
by PhilW
DRT wrote:On page 136 of the December 2014 edition its magazine, Decanter wrote:
2014-11-02 14.59.22.jpg
Am not seeing the crime; "Graham's" and "Taylor's" are both as per trademark/brand shortened form of Vendor's (port)?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:25 Sun 02 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
PhilW wrote:DRT wrote:On page 136 of the December 2014 edition its magazine, Decanter wrote:
2014-11-02 14.59.22.jpg
Am not seeing the crime; "Graham's" and "Taylor's" are both as per trademark/brand shortened form of Vendor's (port)?
Quinta de Noval?
Quinta da Noval?
No. Neither.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:27 Sun 02 Nov 2014
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:PhilW wrote:DRT wrote:On page 136 of the December 2014 edition its magazine, Decanter wrote:
2014-11-02 14.59.22.jpg
Am not seeing the crime; "Graham's" and "Taylor's" are both as per trademark/brand shortened form of Vendor's (port)?
Quinta de Noval?
Quinta da Noval?
No. Neither.
Ah; Not an apostrophe crime, but an
oops indeed.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 23:06 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
One would write a “great-great-grandson”. Observe that also the hyphen is repeated. But “great
n-grandson” suggests the likes of “greatgreat-grandson”. The expression “(great-)
ngrandson” would have correctly caught the repetition of the hyphen. Perhaps clarity could have been helped by adding a half-width non-breaking space: “(great-)
n grandson”.
It is hoped that this prompt and full confession will lessen my punishment.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 23:12 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:One would write a “great-great-grandson”. Observe that also the hyphen is repeated. But “great
n-grandson” suggests the likes of “greatgreat-grandson”. The expression “(great-)
ngrandson” would have correctly caught the repetition of the hyphen. Perhaps clarity could have been helped by adding a half-width non-breaking space: “(great-)
n grandson”.
It is hoped that this prompt and full confession will lessen my punishment.
On the contrary, I was quite happy with your phrasing until you came along with this turgid, toadying annotation! 20 lashes, and no Nacional for a week!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 23:17 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:On the contrary, I was quite happy with your phrasing until you came along with this turgid, toadying annotation! 20 lashes, and no Nacional for a week!
Is the annoyance because the original expression was correct, or is the annoyance because you have been shown what you should have seen unaided?
The failure of policing should cost you “20 lashes, and no Nacional for a week”.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 23:35 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
I thought the original phrasing most elegant and moreover I think that contractions should be capable of implying the punctuation that their expanded forms demand. Your apology undid the simplicity of your original formulation and cast us out into a hostile land populated with inelegant parentheses.
No Nacional for a fortnight!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 10:24 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:jdaw1 wrote:One would write a “great-great-grandson”. Observe that also the hyphen is repeated. But “great
n-grandson” suggests the likes of “greatgreat-grandson”. The expression “(great-)
ngrandson” would have correctly caught the repetition of the hyphen. Perhaps clarity could have been helped by adding a half-width non-breaking space: “(great-)
n grandson”.
It is hoped that this prompt and full confession will lessen my punishment.
On the contrary, I was quite happy with your phrasing until you came along with this turgid, toadying annotation! 20 lashes, and no Nacional for a week!
Accuracy over marketing-speak please! Hence “(great-)
ngrandson” much improved over the original poor syntax; A magnum of old, partially oxidated Nacional to JDAW, a large swanky bottle of amazing, inspiring, fantastic pink port to DJ.
Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 11:21 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
-1!
What marketing speak?
More seriously, the formulation you prescribe simply isn't English as it is used or spoken. Algebraic or logical notation should not be used in place of the English language!
A double magnum of Real Vinicola 1983 to Phil, to be finished by lunchtime!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:15 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by LGTrotter
I know that this post will lay me open to all kinds of just rebukes of my use of the written word, but I can't help disagreeing less violently than usual with Daniel that mathematical notation does not add to the clarity or elegance of the above.
I shall try to keep my beak out of these contretemps in future, in the hope of avoiding the lash of public censure.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:17 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
LGTrotter wrote:I know that this post will lay me open to all kinds of just rebukes of my use of the written word, but I can't help agreeing with Daniel that mathematical notation does not add to the clarity or elegance of the above.
I shall try to keep my beak out of these contretemps in future, in the hope of avoiding the lash of public censure.
Especially wise given the stray apostrophe in your last but one post. But thanks for backing me up. Down with algebra as a spoken language.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:26 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:LGTrotter wrote:I know that this post will lay me open to all kinds of just rebukes of my use of the written word, but I can't help agreeing with Daniel that mathematical notation does not add to the clarity or elegance of the above.
I shall try to keep my beak out of these contretemps in future, in the hope of avoiding the lash of public censure.
Especially wise given the stray apostrophe in your last but one post. But thanks for backing me up. Down with algebra as a spoken language.
Ah yes, I would plead guilty but request the court to take into account 793 previous offences and auto correction.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:29 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
LGTrotter wrote:I can't help agreeing with Daniel
Let this simply be remembered as the high point of PortForumming.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:48 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:LGTrotter wrote:I can't help agreeing with Daniel
Let this simply be remembered as the high point of PortForumming.
Thank you for pointing this out to me I have amended my original post to reflect my views more accurately.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:54 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
LGTrotter wrote:djewesbury wrote:LGTrotter wrote:I can't help agreeing with Daniel
Let this simply be remembered as the high point of PortForumming.
Thank you for pointing this out to me I have amended my original post to reflect my views more accurately.
There is no emoticon to do justice to the feelings I have now.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 13:27 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:Down with algebra as a spoken language.
Blind mathematicians will be knocking on your door soon. U=a
2-d
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 13:34 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
PhilW wrote:djewesbury wrote:Down with algebra as a spoken language.
Blind mathematicians will be knocking on your door soon. U=a
2-d
"No! Not
-d! No Doctor! That means.."
"Yes, Tara, I have to activate the Algebrathon. It's the end of cultured life as we know it."
"But Doctor! E
6 ≪
fe!"
"Exactly dear girl. Exactly."
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 13:41 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by flash_uk
Tara, or Clara?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 13:42 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
I was envisaging a Doctor's Assistant from a time not experienced.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 19:51 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by LGTrotter
You see, now we have descended into maths humour. Derek had a link to a site of maths jokes. They were bad, not in a street parlance, kind of good but called bad, just bad. Maths is important, but should not be encouraged.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:36 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
It's not big, and it's not clever.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:11 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:It's not big, and it's not clever.
357686312646216567629137
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:13 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
PhilW wrote:djewesbury wrote:It's not big, and it's not clever.
357686312646216567629137
I rest my case. No further questions your honour.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:34 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by PhilW
It's big (fairly) and clever (fairly) - in case anyone is interested, it is the largest prime from which you can remove any number of leading digits and the remainder is also prime. Perhaps slight off-topic now.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:50 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
PhilW wrote:It's big (fairly) and clever (fairly) - in case anyone is interested, it is the largest prime from which you can remove any number of leading digits and the remainder is also prime. Perhaps slight off-topic now.
The ones who are still here are sound asleep Phil. Or worse, like that unfortunate old gentleman in
The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 00:37 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by DRT
So this is what happens when I leave you all alone for 48 hours.
Is this the first instance of a thread where the off-topic drivel needs to be split from a thread in Meaningless Drivel?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 00:54 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by LGTrotter
We are attempting to resolve the vexed question of whether mathematical notation should be used, as a form of punctuation, on these pages. I thought this was the thread for punctuation, its uses and abuses.
And I say; Never! Never! Never!
So does Daniel. But waddaya know Phil and Julian say otherwise. An adjudication would be helpful.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:00 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by DRT
I agree with Daniel and Owen, purely on the basis that the Mathamatists didn't show their working out.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 05:10 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by Glenn E.
DRT wrote:I agree with Daniel and Owen, purely on the basis that the Mathamatists didn't show their working out.
Do you really want to see a Mathamatist in lycra and spandex?
I thought not. Best they not show.