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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
I want to keep Gonzalez M, but no objection to dropping Df and Mg.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Isn't the usual problem Mike remembering to take boxes home?AHB wrote:until ... Mike remembers to bring a box with him

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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Ok, here are my two cents: As the 85s are not too expensive and do have a certain amount of risk of corc and (heavy) VA, why dont we keep all in the tasting and replace the faulty bottles after opening with the reserves (Reserves are the producers who are in discussion to be dropped).
Therefore I would suggest not to drop any yet, but to keep them all in and open them in the preferred list.
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Therefore I would suggest not to drop any yet, but to keep them all in and open them in the preferred list.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Sounds sensible to meAxel P wrote:Ok, here are my two cents: As the 85s are not too expensive and do have a certain amount of risk of corc and (heavy) VA, why dont we keep all in the tasting and replace the faulty bottles after opening with the reserves (Reserves are the producers who are in discussion to be dropped).
Therefore I would suggest not to drop any yet, but to keep them all in and open them in the preferred list.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Latest status.
We are 3 weeks away, I thought I'd try and summarise the current plan:
- 10 attendees
- 19 bottles coming
- 15 being opened initially
- 4 being retained as backups for faulty bottles
- DRT can't make it, so I'm providing Fonseca, I have volunteered WPS to bring Taylor
- I think we still need to work out how BMHR's bottle gets to the B&F
- feel free to recruit more attendees
Does this seem correct?
We are 3 weeks away, I thought I'd try and summarise the current plan:
- 10 attendees
- 19 bottles coming
- 15 being opened initially
- 4 being retained as backups for faulty bottles
- DRT can't make it, so I'm providing Fonseca, I have volunteered WPS to bring Taylor
- I think we still need to work out how BMHR's bottle gets to the B&F
- feel free to recruit more attendees
Does this seem correct?
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Sounds great to me.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
I assume I can leave a suitably labelled bottle at B&F for you at some stage in next 2 weeks?
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Thank you. Yes please.benread wrote:I assume I can leave a suitably labelled bottle at B&F for you at some stage in next 2 weeks?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Axel has sent RP = Ramos Pinto; A = Andresen; N = Noval. Ben is delivering MG = Gonzalez M. To these four we are committed.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Please contribute to the draft of the food order by posting your desires† in this thread, ideally after perusing the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Potted shrimps followed by steak black and blue and a side of spinach please
Re the Port I would like to include Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell, Offley and Sandeman if possible. It would also seem a shame not to have Graham, Warre and Dow attend, perhaps drop the single T and F?
Re the Port I would like to include Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell, Offley and Sandeman if possible. It would also seem a shame not to have Graham, Warre and Dow attend, perhaps drop the single T and F?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Correspondence with Axel via PM:
Axel P wrote:LIke the same as you, just the steak medum rare, please.
Thanks
jdaw1 wrote:• Truffle Mac & Cheese
• Chargrilled sirloin steak (medium-rare) with hand-cut chips and grilled tomato
• Welsh rarebit, extra cheesy
Please confirm (ideally, in the thread so that later others can check my work).
Axel P wrote:Perfect, thanks
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
I move to stretch this to 6 and include all Symington bottles.jdaw1 wrote:People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
• Now-Symington, or then-Symington?Axel P wrote:I move to stretch this to 6 and include all Symington bottles.
• What if there were a consensus in favour of some other bottles (note that Sandeman and Offley have been suggested by Charles). Would you then want as many Symingtons as possible, or would that break the completeness and your preference would then substantially change?
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
My sequence would be:
Grahams (cant do the tasting without as this is my all-time-No.2 85)
Warre
Dow
SWC
QH
GC
Please do definitely include as many of those as possible.
Thanks
Axel
Grahams (cant do the tasting without as this is my all-time-No.2 85)
Warre
Dow
SWC
QH
GC
Please do definitely include as many of those as possible.
Thanks
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
So we're not adopting Axel's idea of bring whatever and open more if we find faulty bottles?jdaw1 wrote:Axel has sent RP = Ramos Pinto; A = Andresen; N = Noval. Ben is delivering MG = Gonzalez M. To these four we are committed.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
We are substantially over-provisioned. Substantially. We actually clear a bottle each on a school night. For ten people we are bringing 15 (Axel wants 16), a fair fraction from good names.flash_uk wrote:So we're not adopting Acel's idea of bring whatever and open more if we find faulty bottles?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
jdaw1 wrote:Axel has sent RP = Ramos Pinto; A = Andresen; N = Noval. Ben is delivering MG = Gonzalez M. To these four we are committed.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
I'd prefer we didn't open magnums - opening T and F mags uses up 4 bottles of slots where we could try other shippers. So far there seems to be consensus on RP, A, N, MG, T, F, G, D, W (which is 9 bottles). Charles's suggestion of SW, GC, O, S also seem good to me, that's 13. I'd be happy with that lot and there are room for a couple more (assuming no mags).CPR 1 wrote:Re the Port I would like to include Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell, Offley and Sandeman if possible. It would also seem a shame not to have Graham, Warre and Dow attend, perhaps drop the single T and F?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Works for me.flash_uk wrote:I'd prefer we didn't open magnums - opening T and F mags uses up 4 bottles of slots where we could try other shippers. So far there seems to be consensus on RP, A, N, MG, T, F, G, D, W (which is 9 bottles). Charles's suggestion of SW, GC, O, S also seem good to me, that's 13. I'd be happy with that lot and there are room for a couple more (assuming no mags).
Objections?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Sounds good to me, and leaves room for the QH which Axel wanted to include
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Current list:
And please submit food orders.
- Andresen;
- Dow;
- Fonseca;
- Gould Campbell;
- Graham;
- Gonzalez M;
- Quinta do Noval;
- Offley;
- Quarles Harris;
- Ramos Pinto;
- Sandeman;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Taylor;
- Warre.
And please submit food orders.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Hi Guys
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Hi Guys
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
ALSO - could the first post be updated to reflect actual start time? I've lost track of the discussion. How many flights are there? I need to book a flight...djewesbury wrote:Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Welcome aboard Tony. First post updated.forest26 wrote:Hi Guys
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Calm down old chap! The start time in the first post is correct. Just one flight.djewesbury wrote:ALSO - could the first post be updated to reflect actual start time? I've lost track of the discussion. How many flights are there? I need to book a flight...djewesbury wrote:Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
It seems that we have enough bottles, but just in case your answer is interesting, please post what 1985s you have.forest26 wrote:If so let me know how I can help.
Also, please contribute to the draft of the food order by posting your desires† in this thread, ideally after perusing the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Between 1645 and 1830? Very lax. Tut tut. Surprised at this imprecision!flash_uk wrote:Calm down old chap! The start time in the first post is correct. Just one flight.djewesbury wrote:ALSO - could the first post be updated to reflect actual start time? I've lost track of the discussion. How many flights are there? I need to book a flight...djewesbury wrote:Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Pre-pouring will be done by 4¾pm. You are welcome to arrive as early as then; please don’t be later than 6½pm.djewesbury wrote:Between 1645 and 1830? Very lax. Tut tut. Surprised at this imprecision!
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Food order for me, please:
Crab toast with chilli, fennel and avocado
Chargrilled sirloin steak 220g with hand-cut chips without grilled tomato, rare
Side of Peas and beans with mint lemon and butter
Crab toast with chilli, fennel and avocado
Chargrilled sirloin steak 220g with hand-cut chips without grilled tomato, rare
Side of Peas and beans with mint lemon and butter
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Done, except that your tomato will be adopted.flash_uk wrote:Crab toast with chilli, fennel and avocado
Chargrilled sirloin steak 220g with hand-cut chips without grilled tomato, rare
Side of Peas and beans with mint lemon and butter
Others: please post your food orders.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
jdaw1 wrote:It seems that we have enough bottles, but just in case your answer is interesting, please post what 1985s you have.forest26 wrote:If so let me know how I can help.
Also, please contribute to the draft of the food order by posting your desires† in this thread, ideally after perusing the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
† Some limitations apply.
Hi Julian
Thank you kindly for adding me.

Can I please order
Crab toast
Chargrilled sirloin steak (medium-rare) with hand-cut chips and grilled tomato
On the port side I have to hand.
Calem, Cockburn, Croft, Delaforce, Dow, Feuerheerd, Fonseca, GC, Noval, Sandeman, SWH, Taylor, Warre
Please let me know if you want any of these - or if the preparations are too far advanced I am happy to adopt.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
For my food I would like no starter, main of Grilled scallops and bacon with tiger prawns, spring onion NO CHILLI PLEASE. Desert to be decided on the day.
I've lost track of whether or not I still have a choice as to what ports we choose. I would prefer not to include the magnums but to keep these for another day. If there's still a slot for an additional bottle I would suggest the Churchill - there's a fair amount of this around and it seems to have a fair reputation but it would be useful to compare this against some of its peers.
I've lost track of whether or not I still have a choice as to what ports we choose. I would prefer not to include the magnums but to keep these for another day. If there's still a slot for an additional bottle I would suggest the Churchill - there's a fair amount of this around and it seems to have a fair reputation but it would be useful to compare this against some of its peers.
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Food: over half way. Missing Daniel, Ian, Rupert, Tom, and Wolfgang.
Port: let's have a quick vote (that is, vote quickly and in accordance with my wishes, or your vote will be mislaid). Fonseca magnum, or Churchill and another?
Port: let's have a quick vote (that is, vote quickly and in accordance with my wishes, or your vote will be mislaid). Fonseca magnum, or Churchill and another?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Churchill and Calem
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Churchill and Calem sounds good to me.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Churchill and Calem
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Could I add a side of hand cut fries to my main order please?
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Flight booked. I arrive to London City at 1650. I should be able to get from there to the B&F in about 45 minutes: midway through the optimum window.
Now, what am I required to adopt, please?
I will consider my food order separately.
Now, what am I required to adopt, please?
I will consider my food order separately.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
If you like, you can adopt the RP 85 from me
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
I am about to make a list of Ports and who is bringing them: patience please.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Much as I would like to see the F85 Mag, the deeper that we're able to go into this horizontal the better for me and so agree with the inclusion of the Ch (which I recall being rather good when Glenn came over last year) and the Ca.
Food Order (and a departure from recently):
Starter-Potted Shrimps and granary toast
Main-Char-grilled Sirlon (medium-rare) with hand cut chips and the Peas and Beans
Dessert-TBD
I'll await JDAW's update about which bottle I should be bringing.
Food Order (and a departure from recently):
Starter-Potted Shrimps and granary toast
Main-Char-grilled Sirlon (medium-rare) with hand cut chips and the Peas and Beans
Dessert-TBD
I'll await JDAW's update about which bottle I should be bringing.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
will want the same as you please. Sorry for the delay I was away.jdaw1 wrote:It seems that we have enough bottles, but just in case your answer is interesting, please post what 1985s you have.forest26 wrote:If so let me know how I can help.
Also, please contribute to the draft of the food order by posting your desires† in this thread, ideally after perusing the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
“blue = very very rare”?WS1 wrote:will want the same as you please.
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
For me, chicken liver parfait followed my medium rare sirloin and peppercorn sauce.
Pus will be either cheese or nothing, TBD..
Pus will be either cheese or nothing, TBD..
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Hi
Crab toast, bangers and mash please
Looking forward to it!
R
Crab toast, bangers and mash please
Looking forward to it!
R
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
A decision draws nearer. If you object to the following, do so soon and with good reason.
- MPM (F, O);
- WPS (Cá, T);
- JDAW (Ch, Mz);
- IDJ (SW, W);
- THRA (GC, S);
- AHB (G);
- AP (A, N, RP);
- BMHR (MG);
- DJ (—);
- CPR (D, QH);
- RDA (—);
- TC (—).
- J. H. Andresen (AP);
- Cálem (WPS);
- Churchill (JDAW);
- M Gonzalez (BMHR);
- Noval (AP);
- Ramos Pinto (AP);
- Offley Boa Vista (MPM);
- Sandeman (THRA);
- Martinez (JDAW);
- Gould Campbell (THRA);
- Quarles Harris (CPR);
- Smith Woodhouse (IDJ);
- Dow (CPR);
- Graham (AHB);
- Warre (IDJ);
- Taylor (WPS);
- Fonseca (MPM).
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
The Ports need flighting. Please improve upon (the list having been edited a few times):
- J. H. Andresen;
- Cálem;
- Churchill;
- M Gonzalez;
- Noval;
- Ramos Pinto;
- Offley Boa Vista;
- Sandeman;
- Martinez;
- Gould Campbell;
- Quarles Harris;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Dow;
- Graham;
- Warre;
- Taylor;
- Fonseca.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
I will be on the north east bank of Loch Tay when this happens. If I open a T85 and F85 do I get a vote for WOTN?jdaw1 wrote:The Ports need flighting. Please improve upon:(And good work on the food. All bar one are in.)
- J. H. Andresen;
- Cálem;
- M Gonzalez;
- Offley Boa Vista;
- Ramos Pinto;
- Sandeman.
- Churchill;
- Noval;
- Martinez;
- Gould Campbell;
- Quarles Harris;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Dow;
- Graham;
- Warre;
- Fonseca;
- Taylor;
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