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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:35 Thu 29 Oct 2015
by jdaw1
I want to keep Gonzalez M, but no objection to dropping Df and Mg.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 09:50 Fri 30 Oct 2015
by PhilW
AHB wrote:until ... Mike remembers to bring a box with him
Isn't the usual problem Mike remembering to take boxes home?

Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 11:00 Fri 30 Oct 2015
by Axel P
Ok, here are my two cents: As the 85s are not too expensive and do have a certain amount of risk of corc and (heavy) VA, why dont we keep all in the tasting and replace the faulty bottles after opening with the reserves (Reserves are the producers who are in discussion to be dropped).
Therefore I would suggest not to drop any yet, but to keep them all in and open them in the preferred list.
Axel
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 19:55 Sun 01 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
Axel P wrote:Ok, here are my two cents: As the 85s are not too expensive and do have a certain amount of risk of corc and (heavy) VA, why dont we keep all in the tasting and replace the faulty bottles after opening with the reserves (Reserves are the producers who are in discussion to be dropped).
Therefore I would suggest not to drop any yet, but to keep them all in and open them in the preferred list.
Axel
Sounds sensible to me

Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:38 Wed 04 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
Latest status.
We are 3 weeks away, I thought I'd try and summarise the current plan:
- 10 attendees
- 19 bottles coming
- 15 being opened initially
- 4 being retained as backups for faulty bottles
- DRT can't make it, so I'm providing Fonseca, I have volunteered WPS to bring Taylor
- I think we still need to work out how BMHR's bottle gets to the B&F
- feel free to recruit more attendees
Does this seem correct?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 06:57 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by Axel P
Sounds great to me.
Axel
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 07:01 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by benread
I assume I can leave a suitably labelled bottle at B&F for you at some stage in next 2 weeks?
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Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 09:56 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
benread wrote:I assume I can leave a suitably labelled bottle at B&F for you at some stage in next 2 weeks?
Thank you. Yes please.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 10:04 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
Axel has sent RP = Ramos Pinto; A = Andresen; N = Noval. Ben is delivering MG = Gonzalez M. To these four we are committed.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 10:13 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
Please contribute to the
draft of the food order by posting your desires
† in this thread, ideally after perusing
the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
† Some limitations apply.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 11:11 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by CPR 1
Potted shrimps followed by steak black and blue and a side of spinach please
Re the Port I would like to include Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell, Offley and Sandeman if possible. It would also seem a shame not to have Graham, Warre and Dow attend, perhaps drop the single T and F?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 11:18 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
Correspondence with Axel via PM:
Axel P wrote:LIke the same as you, just the steak medum rare, please.
Thanks
jdaw1 wrote:• Truffle Mac & Cheese
• Chargrilled sirloin steak (medium-rare) with hand-cut chips and grilled tomato
• Welsh rarebit, extra cheesy
Please confirm (ideally, in the thread so that later others can check my work).
Axel P wrote:Perfect, thanks
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 11:20 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by Axel P
jdaw1 wrote:People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
I move to stretch this to 6 and include all Symington bottles.
Axel
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 12:46 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
Axel P wrote:I move to stretch this to 6 and include all Symington bottles.
• Now-Symington, or then-Symington?
• What if there were a consensus in favour of some other bottles (note that Sandeman and Offley have been suggested by Charles). Would you then want as many Symingtons as possible, or would that break the completeness and your preference would then substantially change?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 12:58 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by Axel P
My sequence would be:
Grahams (cant do the tasting without as this is my all-time-No.2 85)
Warre
Dow
SWC
QH
GC
Please do definitely include as many of those as possible.
Thanks
Axel
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 17:34 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
jdaw1 wrote:Axel has sent RP = Ramos Pinto; A = Andresen; N = Noval. Ben is delivering MG = Gonzalez M. To these four we are committed.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
So we're not adopting Axel's idea of bring whatever and open more if we find faulty bottles?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 17:49 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
flash_uk wrote:So we're not adopting Acel's idea of bring whatever and open more if we find faulty bottles?
We are substantially over-provisioned. Substantially. We actually clear a bottle each on a school night. For ten people we are bringing 15 (Axel wants 16), a fair fraction from good names.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 19:21 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
jdaw1 wrote:Axel has sent RP = Ramos Pinto; A = Andresen; N = Noval. Ben is delivering MG = Gonzalez M. To these four we are committed.
I have in Streatham magnums of T = Taylor and F = Fonseca; Mike is bringing F = Fonseca single; Wolfgang is bringing T = Taylor single. That takes the total to ten bottles volume.
People: please choose another five bottles. Not ten, not fifteen, just five. Favourite choices from amongst that will be selected.
CPR 1 wrote:Re the Port I would like to include Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell, Offley and Sandeman if possible. It would also seem a shame not to have Graham, Warre and Dow attend, perhaps drop the single T and F?
I'd prefer we didn't open magnums - opening T and F mags uses up 4 bottles of slots where we could try other shippers. So far there seems to be consensus on RP, A, N, MG, T, F, G, D, W (which is 9 bottles). Charles's suggestion of SW, GC, O, S also seem good to me, that's 13. I'd be happy with that lot and there are room for a couple more (assuming no mags).
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 19:26 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
flash_uk wrote:I'd prefer we didn't open magnums - opening T and F mags uses up 4 bottles of slots where we could try other shippers. So far there seems to be consensus on RP, A, N, MG, T, F, G, D, W (which is 9 bottles). Charles's suggestion of SW, GC, O, S also seem good to me, that's 13. I'd be happy with that lot and there are room for a couple more (assuming no mags).
Works for me.
Objections?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 19:31 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by CPR 1
Sounds good to me, and leaves room for the QH which Axel wanted to include
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 21:35 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
Current list:
- Andresen;
- Dow;
- Fonseca;
- Gould Campbell;
- Graham;
- Gonzalez M;
- Quinta do Noval;
- Offley;
- Quarles Harris;
- Ramos Pinto;
- Sandeman;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Taylor;
- Warre.
Room for two more requests. Fonseca magnum?
And please submit food orders.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:04 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by forest26
Hi Guys
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:05 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by djewesbury
Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:06 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by forest26
Hi Guys
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:17 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by djewesbury
djewesbury wrote:Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
ALSO - could the first post be updated to reflect actual start time? I've lost track of the discussion. How many flights are there? I need to book a flight...
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:36 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
forest26 wrote:Hi Guys
If there is a spare berth can I put myself forward ?
If so let me know how I can help.
Best wishes
Tony
Welcome aboard Tony. First post updated.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:40 Thu 05 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
djewesbury wrote:djewesbury wrote:Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
ALSO - could the first post be updated to reflect actual start time? I've lost track of the discussion. How many flights are there? I need to book a flight...
Calm down old chap! The start time in the first post is correct. Just one flight.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 00:06 Fri 06 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
forest26 wrote:If so let me know how I can help.
It seems that we have enough bottles, but just in case your answer is interesting, please post what 1985s you have.
Also, please contribute to the
draft of the food order by posting your desires
† in this thread, ideally after perusing
the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
† Some limitations apply.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 00:11 Fri 06 Nov 2015
by djewesbury
flash_uk wrote:djewesbury wrote:djewesbury wrote:Please update me - I've been off-radar for some time and need to know what I'm adopting, from whom.
ALSO - could the first post be updated to reflect actual start time? I've lost track of the discussion. How many flights are there? I need to book a flight...
Calm down old chap! The start time in the first post is correct. Just one flight.
Between 1645 and 1830? Very lax. Tut tut. Surprised at this imprecision!
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 00:26 Fri 06 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Between 1645 and 1830? Very lax. Tut tut. Surprised at this imprecision!
Pre-pouring will be done by 4¾pm. You are welcome to arrive as early as then; please don’t be later than 6½pm.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:28 Fri 06 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
Food order for me, please:
Crab toast with chilli, fennel and avocado
Chargrilled sirloin steak 220g with hand-cut chips without grilled tomato, rare
Side of Peas and beans with mint lemon and butter
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:56 Fri 06 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
flash_uk wrote:Crab toast with chilli, fennel and avocado
Chargrilled sirloin steak 220g with hand-cut chips without grilled tomato, rare
Side of Peas and beans with mint lemon and butter
Done, except that your tomato will be adopted.
Others: please post your food orders.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:21 Fri 06 Nov 2015
by forest26
jdaw1 wrote:forest26 wrote:If so let me know how I can help.
It seems that we have enough bottles, but just in case your answer is interesting, please post what 1985s you have.
Also, please contribute to the
draft of the food order by posting your desires
† in this thread, ideally after perusing
the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
† Some limitations apply.
Hi Julian
Thank you kindly for adding me.
Can I please order
Crab toast
Chargrilled sirloin steak (medium-rare) with hand-cut chips and grilled tomato
On the port side I have to hand.
Calem, Cockburn, Croft, Delaforce, Dow, Feuerheerd, Fonseca, GC, Noval, Sandeman, SWH, Taylor, Warre
Please let me know if you want any of these - or if the preparations are too far advanced I am happy to adopt.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 21:49 Sat 07 Nov 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
For my food I would like no starter, main of Grilled scallops and bacon with tiger prawns, spring onion NO CHILLI PLEASE. Desert to be decided on the day.
I've lost track of whether or not I still have a choice as to what ports we choose. I would prefer not to include the magnums but to keep these for another day. If there's still a slot for an additional bottle I would suggest the Churchill - there's a fair amount of this around and it seems to have a fair reputation but it would be useful to compare this against some of its peers.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:02 Sat 07 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
Food: over half way. Missing Daniel, Ian, Rupert, Tom, and Wolfgang.
Port: let's have a quick vote (that is, vote quickly and in accordance with my wishes, or your vote will be mislaid). Fonseca magnum, or Churchill and another?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:14 Sat 07 Nov 2015
by flash_uk
Churchill and Calem
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:58 Sat 07 Nov 2015
by CPR 1
Churchill and Calem sounds good to me.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 11:57 Sun 08 Nov 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
Churchill and Calem
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 11:58 Sun 08 Nov 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
Could I add a side of hand cut fries to my main order please?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 15:49 Sun 08 Nov 2015
by djewesbury
Flight booked. I arrive to London City at 1650. I should be able to get from there to the B&F in about 45 minutes: midway through the optimum window.
Now, what am I required to adopt, please?
I will consider my food order separately.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 18:23 Sun 08 Nov 2015
by Axel P
If you like, you can adopt the RP 85 from me
Axel
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 18:39 Sun 08 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
I am about to make a list of Ports and who is bringing them: patience please.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 13:35 Mon 09 Nov 2015
by idj123
Much as I would like to see the F85 Mag, the deeper that we're able to go into this horizontal the better for me and so agree with the inclusion of the Ch (which I recall being rather good when Glenn came over last year) and the Ca.
Food Order (and a departure from recently):
Starter-Potted Shrimps and granary toast
Main-Char-grilled Sirlon (medium-rare) with hand cut chips and the Peas and Beans
Dessert-TBD
I'll await JDAW's update about which bottle I should be bringing.
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 07:26 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by WS1
jdaw1 wrote:forest26 wrote:If so let me know how I can help.
It seems that we have enough bottles, but just in case your answer is interesting, please post what 1985s you have.
Also, please contribute to the
draft of the food order by posting your desires
† in this thread, ideally after perusing
the menu of the Boot & Flogger.
† Some limitations apply.
will want the same as you please. Sorry for the delay I was away.
regards
WS1
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 08:43 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
WS1 wrote:will want the same as you please.
“blue = very very rare”?
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 14:08 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by uncle tom
For me, chicken liver parfait followed my medium rare sirloin and peppercorn sauce.
Pus will be either cheese or nothing, TBD..
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 22:51 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by Cedars28
Hi
Crab toast, bangers and mash please
Looking forward to it!
R
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:10 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
A decision draws nearer. If you object to the following, do so soon and with good reason.
- MPM (F, O);
- WPS (Cá, T);
- JDAW (Ch, Mz);
- IDJ (SW, W);
- THRA (GC, S);
- AHB (G);
- AP (A, N, RP);
- BMHR (MG);
- DJ (—);
- CPR (D, QH);
- RDA (—);
- TC (—).
- J. H. Andresen (AP);
- Cálem (WPS);
- Churchill (JDAW);
- M Gonzalez (BMHR);
- Noval (AP);
- Ramos Pinto (AP);
- Offley Boa Vista (MPM);
- Sandeman (THRA);
- Martinez (JDAW);
- Gould Campbell (THRA);
- Quarles Harris (CPR);
- Smith Woodhouse (IDJ);
- Dow (CPR);
- Graham (AHB);
- Warre (IDJ);
- Taylor (WPS);
- Fonseca (MPM).
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:19 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
The Ports need flighting. Please improve upon (the list having been edited a few times):
- J. H. Andresen;
- Cálem;
- Churchill;
- M Gonzalez;
- Noval;
- Ramos Pinto;
- Offley Boa Vista;
- Sandeman;
- Martinez;
- Gould Campbell;
- Quarles Harris;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Dow;
- Graham;
- Warre;
- Taylor;
- Fonseca.
(And good work on the food. All bar one are in.)
Re: 1985 horizontal: Wed 25th Nov 2015, B&F
Posted: 23:25 Tue 10 Nov 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:The Ports need flighting. Please improve upon:
- J. H. Andresen;
- Cálem;
- M Gonzalez;
- Offley Boa Vista;
- Ramos Pinto;
- Sandeman.
- Churchill;
- Noval;
- Martinez;
- Gould Campbell;
- Quarles Harris;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Dow;
- Graham;
- Warre;
- Fonseca;
- Taylor;
(And good work on the food. All bar one are in.)
I will be on the north east bank of Loch Tay when this happens. If I open a T85 and F85 do I get a vote for WOTN?