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Posted: **02:37 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3377#3377]Here[/url] Conky wrote:I cant say its magificent, but its helping me along.

Posted: **02:38 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

OK, more than a full page of Conky is surely enough and spare. The ‟folk are now throwing them in everywhere” theory is surely squashed.

Next:

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3240#3240]Here[/url] Derek T. wrote:It is a trophy asset that waiting on a single affluent aquirer to purchase for an offsprings wedding reception

Posted: **02:39 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4170#4170]Here[/url] ADV wrote:If thats the green door, then that is definitely not Niepoort.

Posted: **05:28 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4353#4353]Here[/url] Derek T. wrote:I am extremely surprised at how little is sold in Brazil given it's historic links to Portugal.

I beg to disagree with this presumed apostrophe crime. I understood Derek to have used the apostrophe correctly as a contraction and not as a posessive. ie. "I am extremely surprised at how little is sold in Brazil given it has historic links to Portugal."

Alex

Posted: **05:33 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3565#3565]Here[/url] Conky wrote:Mines in a non-humidifying box.

Before I realised that this was an apostrophe crime I had assumed that this was the way in which Conky protected his cigars from unwanted attention, by securing movement sensitive explosives in his non-humidifying box...

Posted: **07:23 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

AHB wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4353#4353]Here[/url] Derek T. wrote:I am extremely surprised at how little is sold in Brazil given it's historic links to Portugal.
I beg to disagree with this presumed apostrophe crime. I understood Derek to have used the apostrophe correctly as a contraction and not as a posessive. ie. "I am extremely surprised at how little is sold in Brazil given it has historic links to Portugal."

Alex

Alex is correct

Derek

Posted: **07:25 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
Derek T. wrote:You're back - fantastic - the punctuation on this website is decending into chaos
Presumably your non-use of the m-dash (“—†) was merely to test me. As was the absence of a terminating full stop.

Correct.

Posted: **08:06 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Derek T. wrote:
AHB wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4353#4353]Here[/url] Derek T. wrote:I am extremely surprised at how little is sold in Brazil given it's historic links to Portugal.
I beg to disagree with this presumed apostrophe crime. I understood Derek to have used the apostrophe correctly as a contraction and not as a posessive. ie. "I am extremely surprised at how little is sold in Brazil given it has historic links to Portugal."

Alex
Alex is correct

Derek

Alex is far from correct. You can not just make up words you are shortening and throw an apostrophe in. It's is 'it is'. Not 'it has'. Not surprisingly, 'It has' is just plain old 'it has'.

Or shall we all start. I could say, wet'er which of course means wet weather!. Or Manchester'ted, which is of course 'Manchester United'

Alan

Posted: **12:09 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

The words may stick in my throat, but on this apostrophe-related matter, Conky is correct.

Posted: **13:11 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:The words may stick in my throat, but on this apostrophe-related matter, Conky is correct.

Is that a comma crime? Should the comma not come after but instead of throat in that sentence?

Derek

Posted: **13:32 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Derek T. wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:The words may stick in my throat, but on this apostrophe-related matter, Conky is correct.
Is that a comma crime? Should the comma not come after but instead of throat in that sentence?

Some argue for both commas: “The words may stick in my throat, but, on this apostrophe-related matter, Conky is correct†. I find that too slow, and in speaking the words tend not to separate the ‘but’ from the clause to which it applies. Either form is acceptable.

The author of [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226104036/jdaw]The Chicago Manual of Style[/url], in Ã‚¶5.29 of the 14th edition, wrote:The comma, perhaps the most versatile of the punctuation marks, indicates the smallest interruption in continuity of thought or sentence structure. There are a few rules governing its use that have become almost obligatory. Aside from these, the use of a comma is mainly a matter of good judgment, with ease of reading the end in view.

The author of [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226104036/jdaw]The Chicago Manual of Style[/url], in Ã‚¶5.30 of the 14th edition, wrote:In contemporary writing, the comma is often omitted, but this open style should be followed only when there is little or no risk of misreading.

Though, to be fair, I object to the The Chicago Manual of Style’s preference for the American style of punctuating around quotation marks, it even agreeing that the British style is more logical (Ã‚¶5.13). If any of you have or buy the 15th edition, please let me know whether this illogical preference has been maintained.

To summarise: you may safely assume that I am correct. Always.

Posted: **13:42 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

I hope it doesn't irritate you chaps too much, that it clear I know how to use Apostrophe'''s.............

But, I'm just downright sloppy!

Welcome back Julian.

Alan

Posted: **18:29 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4459#4459]Here[/url] AHB wrote:and its intended for early drinking

Posted: **18:32 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:The words may stick in my throat, but on this apostrophe-related matter, Conky is correct.

Hmm. Not according to the Oxford Dictionaries web site (see this link here). They support my teaching that "it's" is an accepted contraction of either "it is" or "it has" and that the correct contraction has to be deduced from the context.

So Julian can breathe a sigh of relief and withdraw his support for Conky's use of apostrophes. And perhaps admit that once in a lifetime he is wrong?

Don't you just love this thread?

Alex

Posted: **18:57 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Oxford Dictionaries wrote wrote:In words such as isn't, I'm, or don't, the apostrophe indicates that one or more letters have been left out.
It's is the contracted form of 'It is' or 'It has', not the possessive of it. The possessive is its, with no apostrophe. So you should say `It's a lovely day' or `It's been a lovely day', but `The dog is in its kennel'.

You're is a contraction of 'You are'. The possessive is your. Say `You're my best friend', but `Where is your friend?'

Interesting source (though I still don’t believe that was what Derek T. originally meant).

Posted: **19:35 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

The usage of a Contraction apostrophe is generally accepted as thus;

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, Ã‚© Random House, Inc. 2006.

Usage note. Contractions such as isn't, couldn't, can't, weren't, he'll, they're occur chiefly, although not exclusively, in informal speech and writing. They are common in personal letters, business letters, journalism, and fiction; they are rare in scientific and scholarly writing.

So being rather scholary, I have to cede this point to you guys who's lifestyle makes them better served to know such things.

Alan

Posted: **19:42 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Conky wrote:I have to cede this point to you guys who's lifestyle makes them better served to know such things

You meant ‟whose”, of course.

Posted: **20:08 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
Conky wrote:I have to cede this point to you guys who's lifestyle makes them better served to know such things
You meant “whose†, of course.

This actually made me laugh out loud in a house currently occupied only by me.

I agree with Alex, I love this thread.

I disagree with Jdaw, that is what I meant

Derek

Posted: **20:31 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
Conky wrote:I have to cede this point to you guys who's lifestyle makes them better served to know such things
You meant “whose†, of course.

That made me laugh out loud as well, but my house is occupied by two children and a wife who are all asleep after having been up at 5am to go car booting this morning.

At least I had the good taste to quote a British source for my reference. The Queen's English can only be referenced with true authority by organisations in one country and not those on the other side of the Atlantic.

OK. 'Nuff for now from me.

Alex

Posted: **21:05 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
Conky wrote:I have to cede this point to you guys who's lifestyle makes them better served to know such things
You meant “whose†, of course.

As one of my heroes, Captain Mainwaring (Mannering) was oft heard saying,

"Well done lads, I was wondering who'd be the first one to spot that!"

Alan

Posted: **21:14 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4472#4472]Here[/url] Conky wrote:Cant say I like them

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4472#4472]the same post[/url] Conky wrote:Thankfully it wont affect the taste,

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4472#4472]the same post[/url] Conky wrote:Just dont spill the juices down your sheepskin,

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4472#4472]the same post[/url] Conky wrote:or your bird wont be impressed

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4472#4472]the same post[/url] Conky wrote:you wont fit in your yellow capri!

Posted: **21:28 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Stop, stop ... I can't take any more

Posted: **21:33 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Derek T. wrote:Stop, stop ... I can't take any more

At whom is that instruction directed? Conky? Great.

Posted: **21:48 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Jdaw,

I'm not sure why but this thread is even more entertaining after having the pleasure of meeting you.

I don't know if that says more about me or you, but I don't really care what the answer to that question is.

Derek

Posted: **21:53 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Another one of Captain Mainwarings classics seems apt...

"You Stupid Boy!"

Alan

Posted: **21:55 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

Oi! I'm not the one with 2 pages of crime listed above

Posted: **23:03 Sun 23 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4501#4501]Here[/url] uncle tom wrote:and it's juvenile nature

Posted: **00:40 Mon 24 Sep 2007**

Conky wrote:Another one of Captain Mainwarings classics seems apt...

"You Stupid Boy!"

I had to check, but the surname of George Mainwaring does not end in an ‟s”, so it can’t be claimed that ‟Captain Mainwarings classics” is some type of non-hyphenated compound adjective followed by an incorrectly pluralised noun (as in ‟a Captain-Mainwaring classic”). It should, of course, have said ‟Captain Mainwaring’s”. Judge for yourself whether any of his recently quoted words might apply.

Posted: **07:45 Mon 24 Sep 2007**

Derek T. wrote:Oi! I'm not the one with 2 pages of crime listed above

A Father is always harder on his Son. So being The Great Apostrophe's Love Child, I'm bound to be picked up on every little mistake.

Alan

Posted: **11:51 Tue 25 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4637#4637]Here[/url] Derek T. wrote:Corky - you could at least try to spell our new members name properly

Posted: **22:36 Fri 28 Sep 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=4838#4838]Here[/url] Conky wrote:I suppose when all the banter peters out, it can be moved to Meaningless Drivel, and leave Dereks original first Post.

Posted: **16:42 Mon 15 Oct 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5247#5247]Here[/url] ADV wrote:Alan...blame the Americans...OK, your probably right

Posted: **17:31 Sat 20 Oct 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5434#5434]Here[/url] Conky wrote:there are some stupidly priced wines out there, who's prices can not be justified!

Posted: **17:35 Sat 20 Oct 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5370#5370]Here[/url] Conky wrote:And now its gone,

Posted: **22:38 Tue 23 Oct 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5546#5546]Here[/url] Conky wrote:then chuckled when I saw it was Julians Apostrophe Crimes!

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5546#5546]the same post[/url] Conky wrote:thats how it happens

Posted: **00:20 Wed 24 Oct 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5582#5582]Here[/url] Conky wrote:You know I cant spell.

In [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5582#5582]the same post[/url] Conky wrote:But your also going to have to put up with my batteries going in my cordless keyboard.

Oddly, a significant proportion of the characters affected by the weak battery have been quotation marks. How strange!

Posted: **12:52 Thu 25 Oct 2007**

Perhaps because the quotation marks and apostrophe keys are the least used they are therefore the first to be affected by declining batteries?

Posted: **12:59 Thu 25 Oct 2007**

Alex sent me this rant on the apostrophe thank you.

Moral: I am not alone.

Posted: **13:01 Thu 25 Oct 2007**

AHB wrote:Perhaps because the quotation marks and apostrophe keys are the least used they are therefore the first to be affected by declining batteries?

Conky being a frequent user of the square and curly parentheses on some other bulletin board, presumably?

Posted: **13:26 Thu 25 Oct 2007**

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:Perhaps because the quotation marks and apostrophe keys are the least used they are therefore the first to be affected by declining batteries?
Conky being a frequent user of the square and curly parentheses on some other bulletin board, presumably?

I can only assume so. Could there be another explanation?

Posted: **22:13 Thu 25 Oct 2007**

Well, that same key seems to have failed again on Conky’s keyboard.

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5688#5688]Here[/url] Conky wrote:Now your a proper member.

Posted: **22:23 Thu 25 Oct 2007**

I would like to dedicate all my hard effort and tireless work in improving my Apostrophe etiquette to Julian! A great inspiration and one helluva mentor.

Posted: **17:36 Wed 31 Oct 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=6019#6019]Here[/url] ADV wrote:we are going to have 5 bottles of port tonight, plus some dry wines....just wanted to rub that in...now don't drink all you're port. We shall do that for you, after all, what are friends for

Posted: **15:56 Thu 01 Nov 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=6067#6067]Here[/url] Conky wrote:Bobs not said hello yet? But if your out there, welcome Bob!

If ‟Bobs” is just a friendly term of endearment, then there’s only one apostrophe crime in here. Somewhat informal though for somebody one hasn’t met, and who hasn’t yet posted. In which case see previous rant about this perhaps Conky meant ‟Bob has”, abbreviated to ‟Bob’s”, so there are two crimes in this sentence. Hence the parentheses in the post’s title.

Posted: **02:13 Wed 14 Nov 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=6564#6564]Here[/url] uncle tom wrote:The wine has already performed it's little party trick

Posted: **00:53 Thu 15 Nov 2007**

Conky wrote:
Derek T. wrote:Oi! I'm not the one with 2 pages of crime listed above
A Father is always harder on his Son. So being The Great Apostrophe's Love Child, I'm bound to be picked up on every little mistake.

Alan

Alan ,
The Great Apostrophy's love Child . . .
Can you say weird ??

Posted: **01:11 Thu 15 Nov 2007**

You think that’s weird? You can’t imagine how weird I think it is.

Posted: **13:24 Thu 15 Nov 2007**

You're right Julian , I can't and don't want to imagine how thaught provoking .
Instead , I think I'll finish of my Niepoort LBV '98 ...

Posted: **10:05 Fri 16 Nov 2007**

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=6574#6574]Here[/url] ADV wrote:its worth every penny.

Deputy Sheriff

Posted: **11:15 Fri 16 Nov 2007**

With Julian suffering terribly from OCD when it comes to Apostrophe's,
(I'm told he revisits his Posts several times before he actually posts them!)

Imagine the fun when we finally catch him out???

It would be similat to finding the Holy Grail, Liverpool winning the Premiership, Derek staying awake at an Off-Line, Luc getting sick of Peanut Butter... well you get the gist.

I think the person who spots his first one should be allowed their choice in Port on their 'Author Box/Avatar' for a month.

Alan

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